(04-28-2017 03:54 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 04:53 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Cheese and rice folks. CHEESE....AND....RICE. Do you really believe ESPN is crumbling considering they just purchased another bowl? Simply a reorganizing of investment is all that there is to see here; most likely to offset the chances that deals with cable companies will be restructured as providers move to on demand television.

Bowls make money for them that still does not mean they are not losing subscribers left and right which they are.

Bowls fill time slots in a otherwise dead holiday period​.

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(04-29-2017 10:11 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 05:19 PM)Usajags Wrote:  That's always the argument when it comes to there being a P5/G5 split. The P5 needs the G5 for those teams to get wins. Y'all do realize that just because there is a split, the G5 is still there, just like the FCS is still there to give wins to FBS schools. So it makes that argument invalid.

If the P5 did split then the G5 are finally going to have to cooperate and make sure that it is 100% split in football and also in all sports. Let the P5 only play golf, baseball, lacrosse, basketball, and tennis against only each other.

Set up a G5 network focused on gaining viewers rather than focusing on getting few extra bucks. Sell that network so cheap that it appears on every basic cable tier in the country.

Start changing all the rules that were put into place to protect the P5 monopoly and change them to instead promote G5 growth.

You will never beat the P5. But you don't have to. All you have to do is carve out a market niche that is more profitable than the current crumbs you are allowed to have.

You know, I've honestly never though about that one, but it's right.

It's going to get quite expensive if the Power 5 has to send every non-revenue sport to to other Power 5 schools for non-conference matches.

Of course, for me the bigger reason to doubt that the P5 has any intention of splitting is the fact that they haven't done so already.

(04-28-2017 01:35 PM)CC Eagle Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 09:07 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  Just a quick google search:

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/espn-p...eft-020817

http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/02/...left-turn/

Looks like a no brainer. ESPN is hurting and they're becoming outspoken leftys. They may not be "crumbling" but it ain't good.

Quote: "Think about that for a minute. If your business was losing 10,000 customers every single day how panicked would you be?"

Did... did you just cite something from Breitbart as some sort of rational explanation for a news event?

Breitbart and Clay Travis who's basically Breitbart Jr.

(04-29-2017 11:11 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 10:11 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 05:19 PM)Usajags Wrote:  That's always the argument when it comes to there being a P5/G5 split. The P5 needs the G5 for those teams to get wins. Y'all do realize that just because there is a split, the G5 is still there, just like the FCS is still there to give wins to FBS schools. So it makes that argument invalid.

If the P5 did split then the G5 are finally going to have to cooperate and make sure that it is 100% split in football and also in all sports. Let the P5 only play golf, baseball, lacrosse, basketball, and tennis against only each other.

Set up a G5 network focused on gaining viewers rather than focusing on getting few extra bucks. Sell that network so cheap that it appears on every basic cable tier in the country.

Start changing all the rules that were put into place to protect the P5 monopoly and change them to instead promote G5 growth.

You will never beat the P5. But you don't have to. All you have to do is carve out a market niche that is more profitable than the current crumbs you are allowed to have.

You know, I've honestly never though about that one, but it's right.

It's going to get quite expensive if the Power 5 has to send every non-revenue sport to to other Power 5 schools for non-conference matches.

Of course, for me the bigger reason to doubt that the P5 has any intention of splitting is the fact that they haven't done so already.

SEC Commish, Greg Sankey doesn't favor a P5 and G5 split and refuses to shoot down rumors of SEC plans to expand to 16 teams

Quote:"...Sankey, who has been serving as SEC commissioner since June 2015, also shot down any talk of a potential "super division" of Power 5 schools separate from the rest of the NCAA's Division I programs in football.

"Whenever I'm asked that question I say you know I'm only asked that question and have the conversation in media gathering like this, seriously, it's not an agenda item at any meeting," Sankey said. "We've committed now, what are three years in to a new governing structure that was predicated on the "big tent" model of Division I where there are now 351 Division I members? They're all very different but it is working and I think it can continue to work."

(04-29-2017 11:01 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-28-2017 03:54 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 04:53 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Cheese and rice folks. CHEESE....AND....RICE. Do you really believe ESPN is crumbling considering they just purchased another bowl? Simply a reorganizing of investment is all that there is to see here; most likely to offset the chances that deals with cable companies will be restructured as providers move to on demand television.

Bowls make money for them that still does not mean they are not losing subscribers left and right which they are.

Bowls fill time slots in a otherwise dead holiday period​.

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yes and make they still make money from advertising dollars. They are not putting them on for charity or buying bowls as a hobby. If they were not producing money then they would not air them.

(05-01-2017 10:36 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:01 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-28-2017 03:54 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 04:53 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Cheese and rice folks. CHEESE....AND....RICE. Do you really believe ESPN is crumbling considering they just purchased another bowl? Simply a reorganizing of investment is all that there is to see here; most likely to offset the chances that deals with cable companies will be restructured as providers move to on demand television.

Bowls make money for them that still does not mean they are not losing subscribers left and right which they are.

Bowls fill time slots in a otherwise dead holiday period​.

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yes and make they still make money from advertising dollars. They are not putting them on for charity or buying bowls as a hobby. If they were not producing money then they would not air them.

They aren't making money on some of these bowl games.

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First, forget forging a new market for a split G5.
If that would have worked, the old 1-AA could have been something special. People will watch what they are told to watch. What I mean is that they buy into the marketing, and any new network isn't going to be able to hold a candle to what the big networks can promote. If only the P5 become the brand of FOX and ESPN.... that wouldn't be to our benefit for money or exposure. We are best to keep our wagons hitched to the P5.

That marketing machine is important. Even though we aren't a priority, we are part of the picture and receive cfp "hush money". But recent struggles aside, ESPN and the other bigs have the ear of the nation on what is worth watching, right or wrong. Even our G5 alumni in large part are under that spell. For those of us in an "SEC state", how many fellow alums are you aware of that follow and attend the SEC teams more than their own? What % of their stadiums are filled with OUR alumni?

Think about the super bowl. If you put the Atlanta Falcon and the new England patriots on a field in Greenville south Carolina, in late July and only tell a few folks and give it little to no marketing... you'll get some people to come watch. But if you play that game in February inn a major stadium and spend months marketing it as the greatest sports event of the year... you'll pack the house at thousands of dollars per seat and get a million dollars for a thirty second ad. Same game, same players. Marketing, and network power is huge, at least we have a part of it.

I think however that networks like ESPN are missing something that could be so big for profits. That is the marketing of all those other conferences that they have contracted to also be their brand. They are Neglecting the G5 that could produce so much. Right now the message coming across is that those G5 teams are largely less or unimportant. The results are less interest and viewers and ticket sales to G5 events. Think about this, MOST of the college graduates in America graduated from schools OUTSIDE the P5. From the collective Millions of us who follow our own programs to those alums who don't pay attention to college football because they don't have a connection to any program that they have been "told" is important - Our numbers are great. There is a huge market to expand interest and motivate people to buy in.

The fix is two fold and simple. First expand the playoffs to included G5 champions. (My plan is 12 teams, 4 get a bye in round 1. ALL conference camps [keeps a premium on regular season and conference play] included plus two at large)
Second: Then market those conferences as relevant to the outcome of the National Championship. Even if the G5 would normally be eliminated by week two, they would be in the picture (on a lot more screens) because of being in the hunt. Viewing of most G5 games would go up, g5 CCG viewing would shatter the "glass ceiling". And the taking heads have a lot more relevant games to discuss,a new audience to listen and a lot more games that people will like to see to fill air time versus another talk show.

Jmop

(05-02-2017 10:36 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 10:36 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:01 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-28-2017 03:54 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-27-2017 04:53 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Cheese and rice folks. CHEESE....AND....RICE. Do you really believe ESPN is crumbling considering they just purchased another bowl? Simply a reorganizing of investment is all that there is to see here; most likely to offset the chances that deals with cable companies will be restructured as providers move to on demand television.

Bowls make money for them that still does not mean they are not losing subscribers left and right which they are.

Bowls fill time slots in a otherwise dead holiday period​.

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yes and make they still make money from advertising dollars. They are not putting them on for charity or buying bowls as a hobby. If they were not producing money then they would not air them.

They aren't making money on some of these bowl games.

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Wrong, some schools are not but ESPN would cut the bowl in a New York second or will if they dont produce money. They put very little money in them.

(04-27-2017 09:23 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  If ESPN was crumbling they would be selling off bowls, not purchasing more. They would not be renewing contracts that are losing money, they would reduce the amount of content they provide online, they would cut costs elsewhere. This is likely a restructuring to attempt to cut cost while developing ways to increase revenue by providing new content.

Are the bowls that expensive for ESPN?

And even if they are, I think the SBC Bowls are somewhat better positioned if ESPN tries to bail.

(05-03-2017 08:46 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 10:36 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 10:36 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:01 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-28-2017 03:54 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Bowls make money for them that still does not mean they are not losing subscribers left and right which they are.

Bowls fill time slots in a otherwise dead holiday period​.

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yes and make they still make money from advertising dollars. They are not putting them on for charity or buying bowls as a hobby. If they were not producing money then they would not air them.

They aren't making money on some of these bowl games.

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Wrong, some schools are not but ESPN would cut the bowl in a New York second or will if they dont produce money. They put very little money in them.

I know a little about the industry and will stick by my comment.

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(05-03-2017 10:48 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 08:46 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 10:36 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 10:36 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(04-29-2017 11:01 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Bowls fill time slots in a otherwise dead holiday period​.

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yes and make they still make money from advertising dollars. They are not putting them on for charity or buying bowls as a hobby. If they were not producing money then they would not air them.

They aren't making money on some of these bowl games.

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Wrong, some schools are not but ESPN would cut the bowl in a New York second or will if they dont produce money. They put very little money in them.

I know a little about the industry and will stick by my comment.

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So you are saying ESPN is buying bowls to lose more money? It makes no sense.

(05-03-2017 04:16 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 10:48 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 08:46 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 10:36 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 10:36 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  yes and make they still make money from advertising dollars. They are not putting them on for charity or buying bowls as a hobby. If they were not producing money then they would not air them.

They aren't making money on some of these bowl games.

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Wrong, some schools are not but ESPN would cut the bowl in a New York second or will if they dont produce money. They put very little money in them.

I know a little about the industry and will stick by my comment.

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So you are saying ESPN is buying bowls to lose more money? It makes no sense.

Losing money is different from not making money. Like I said. They are filling air time in an otherwise dead period.

I think with ESPN losing money most likely the AAC will get around $10mil per team for Tier 1 rights from either NBC or Fox.

(05-06-2017 09:59 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I think with ESPN losing money most likely the AAC will get around $10mil per team for Tier 1 rights from either NBC or Fox.

And I'd like to win the lottery.

Unfortunately, we all can't get what we want.

(05-07-2017 01:36 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 09:59 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I think with ESPN losing money most likely the AAC will get around $10mil per team for Tier 1 rights from either NBC or Fox.

And I'd like to win the lottery.

Unfortunately, we all can't get what we want.

ASU fan? What's an Arizona State fan doing hanging out with this group?

(05-07-2017 01:36 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 09:59 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I think with ESPN losing money most likely the AAC will get around $10mil per team for Tier 1 rights from either NBC or Fox.

And I'd like to win the lottery.

Unfortunately, we all can't get what we want.

Sometimes you don't get the whole enchilada....

(05-07-2017 08:02 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 01:36 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 09:59 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I think with ESPN losing money most likely the AAC will get around $10mil per team for Tier 1 rights from either NBC or Fox.

And I'd like to win the lottery.

Unfortunately, we all can't get what we want.

ASU fan? What's an Arizona State fan doing hanging out with this group?

Oh good grief. Of course what do you expect from a Connecticut fan....

(05-06-2017 09:59 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I think with ESPN losing money most likely the AAC will get around $10mil per team for Tier 1 rights from either NBC or Fox.

The AAC is in year four of a six-year $126 million deal with ESPN that expires with the 2019-20 school year. That deal pays each school $2 million annually. Hate to break this to you, but the AAC isn't getting a $8 million per year increase per school. Even with those stupid stickers.

(05-06-2017 09:59 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I think with ESPN losing money most likely the AAC will get around $10mil per team for Tier 1 rights from either NBC or Fox.

I laughed at this post assuming it was meant to be a joke. Then I noticed your picture in your signature and laughed even harder because I knew you were serious.

This is an interesting read.


https://www.si.com/college-football/2017...acebook_si