(04-23-2017 11:36 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 02:01 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Sit down! We have places that we need to go. There are rules. Follow them.

This...

Like I said earlier, flight attendants are not there just to pass out drinks.

and they're not there to inflate the situation to that level....that's what airport security is for....

that situation could easily have been handled with respectful tactics until the need to call in the other group

you're looking like a corporate ambulance chaser in this case....

(04-23-2017 11:46 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 11:36 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 02:01 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Sit down! We have places that we need to go. There are rules. Follow them.

This...

Like I said earlier, flight attendants are not there just to pass out drinks.

and they're not there to inflate the situation to that level....that's what airport security is for....

that situation could easily have been handled with respectful tactics until the need to call in the other group

you're looking like a corporate ambulance chaser in this case....

Maybe...

But we don't have video of that part.

(04-23-2017 02:01 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Sit down! We have places that we need to go. There are rules. Follow them.

Thats the spirit. When the libturds tell you a fake news story, you gobble it without thinking. When a flight attendant acts like a member of Assads syrian army, you get in line and accept it.

You will, however, need to point me out the difference between your position and that of a cuck. Cause they sound eerily similar.

(04-23-2017 11:08 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 10:51 AM)DFWMINER Wrote:  First she was from Argentina? Maybe she didn't understand gate check?

Second, the attendent could have stated he would find a location for the stroller, making it seem he would look up top in the bag bins but just take it to store below, while asking another attendant to "help" them find their seat. This would have diffused the situation.

There is some fault with the women but I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.

regardless. in this particular situation, dipshite should've been able to handle this scenario w/o it escalating to the level it did.....that's part of his ******* job unless someone brandishes a weapon.....in this case, I don't think the stroller applies....

he's a fat, short, stressed out, worthless POS in a dead-end/high stress job anyway you slice it....

time for his pudgy arse to start stocking shelves or unloading trucks...

I agree he should've handled it better but the media is making this out to be poor innocent picked-on sobbing mother who was just trying to travel with twin toddlers and mean old American Airlines...

• Mother either ignored or didn't read the airlines rules for strollers...
• Mother ignored being told to gate check her stroller (and the gate check tag) and brought the stroller on board.
• When the flight crew realized she was trying to stow a stroller (and a double stroller at that), mother was asked to turn it over. She refused to turn it over.
• poor innocent picked-on sobbing mother started the escalation...

…Then the over the top crew napoleonic crew member escalated it further trying to take it from her forcefully and then proceeded to made it worse when he got mouthy with the passengers who stood up for the mother. He deserves his suspension.

In short after the mother refused to turn over the stroller, the flight crew should've said out loud on the speaker so everyone could hear...

"this flight does not leave until the stroller is gatechecked."

Then everyone knows the mother is the one who is refusing to gatecheck and causing their flight to not leave on time. Don't think the other passengers wouldve been too sympathetic to her if her actions were causing the flight to delay take off.

Bad behavior on both sides of this altercation.

People need to remember they have no constitutional right to fly just because they bought a ticket.
By buying a ticket, a passenger agrees to abide by the airlines posted rules (even the rules we might think are ridiculous or men-spirited). I would guess AA has a reason behind not wanting strollers onboard.
Rules about AA's policy with regard to strollers are clearly posted.

Passengers also have a right to not be mistreated by the airlines employees (even if they are enforcing the airlines rules) which is where meathead steward erred. He will pay for his error for sure.

(04-23-2017 11:34 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  This is Trump's America now.

Probably why the jackhole flight attendant was suspended before the plane touched down at its destination.

Accountability.

Its about f*ing time.

(04-23-2017 11:52 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 11:46 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 11:36 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 02:01 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Sit down! We have places that we need to go. There are rules. Follow them.

This...

Like I said earlier, flight attendants are not there just to pass out drinks.

and they're not there to inflate the situation to that level....that's what airport security is for....

that situation could easily have been handled with respectful tactics until the need to call in the other group

you're looking like a corporate ambulance chaser in this case....

Maybe...

But we don't have video of that part.

I agree we don't have "that" video....

I still contend that a smooth tongue based on policy is a job requirement.....also, the response from the other passenger coming to her defense is easily enough to tell me how he handled it 'out of the gate' (pardon the pun)

you're a lawyer......video evidence is a not a new thing, nor requirement, in relative terms to be able to prove this in a civil case....

c'mon man....

(04-23-2017 11:54 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 11:08 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 10:51 AM)DFWMINER Wrote:  First she was from Argentina? Maybe she didn't understand gate check?

Second, the attendent could have stated he would find a location for the stroller, making it seem he would look up top in the bag bins but just take it to store below, while asking another attendant to "help" them find their seat. This would have diffused the situation.

There is some fault with the women but I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.

regardless. in this particular situation, dipshite should've been able to handle this scenario w/o it escalating to the level it did.....that's part of his ******* job unless someone brandishes a weapon.....in this case, I don't think the stroller applies....

he's a fat, short, stressed out, worthless POS in a dead-end/high stress job anyway you slice it....

time for his pudgy arse to start stocking shelves or unloading trucks...

I agree he should've handled it better but the media is making this out to be poor innocent picked-on sobbing mother who was just trying to travel with twin toddlers and mean old American Airlines...

• Mother either ignored or didn't read the airlines rules for strollers...
• Mother ignored being told to gate check her stroller (and the gate check tag) and brought the stroller on board.
• When the flight crew realized she was trying to stow a stroller (and a double stroller at that), mother was asked to turn it over. She refused to turn it over.
• poor innocent picked-on sobbing mother started the escalation...

…Then the over the top crew napoleonic crew member escalated it further trying to take it from her forcefully and then proceeded to made it worse when he got mouthy with the passengers who stood up for the mother. He deserves his suspension.

In short after the mother refused to turn over the stroller, the flight crew should've said out loud on the speaker so everyone could hear...

"this flight does not leave until the stroller is gatechecked."

Then everyone knows the mother is the one who is refusing to gatecheck and causing their flight to not leave on time. Don't think the other passengers wouldve been too sympathetic to her if her actions were causing the flight to delay take off.

Bad behavior on both sides of this altercation.

People need to remember they have no constitutional right to fly just because they bought a ticket.
By buying a ticket, a passenger agrees to abide by the airlines posted rules (even the rules we might think are ridiculous or men-spirited). I would guess AA has a reason behind not wanting strollers onboard.
Rules about AA's policy with regard to strollers are clearly posted.

Passengers also have a right to not be mistreated by the airlines employees (even if they are enforcing the airlines rules) which is where meathead steward erred. He will pay for his error for sure.

he's a mere flight attendant in a really simple situation.....

it only req'd this.... (in helpful tone) "ma'am, may I please have your stroller and gate check it...you were misinformed and it's AA policy that it be gate checked"

if she refuses, he goes to the captain and calls security....

/story

(04-23-2017 12:06 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 11:54 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 11:08 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 10:51 AM)DFWMINER Wrote:  First she was from Argentina? Maybe she didn't understand gate check?

Second, the attendent could have stated he would find a location for the stroller, making it seem he would look up top in the bag bins but just take it to store below, while asking another attendant to "help" them find their seat. This would have diffused the situation.

There is some fault with the women but I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.

regardless. in this particular situation, dipshite should've been able to handle this scenario w/o it escalating to the level it did.....that's part of his ******* job unless someone brandishes a weapon.....in this case, I don't think the stroller applies....

he's a fat, short, stressed out, worthless POS in a dead-end/high stress job anyway you slice it....

time for his pudgy arse to start stocking shelves or unloading trucks...

I agree he should've handled it better but the media is making this out to be poor innocent picked-on sobbing mother who was just trying to travel with twin toddlers and mean old American Airlines...

• Mother either ignored or didn't read the airlines rules for strollers...
• Mother ignored being told to gate check her stroller (and the gate check tag) and brought the stroller on board.
• When the flight crew realized she was trying to stow a stroller (and a double stroller at that), mother was asked to turn it over. She refused to turn it over.
• poor innocent picked-on sobbing mother started the escalation...

…Then the over the top crew napoleonic crew member escalated it further trying to take it from her forcefully and then proceeded to made it worse when he got mouthy with the passengers who stood up for the mother. He deserves his suspension.

In short after the mother refused to turn over the stroller, the flight crew should've said out loud on the speaker so everyone could hear...

"this flight does not leave until the stroller is gatechecked."

Then everyone knows the mother is the one who is refusing to gatecheck and causing their flight to not leave on time. Don't think the other passengers wouldve been too sympathetic to her if her actions were causing the flight to delay take off.

Bad behavior on both sides of this altercation.

People need to remember they have no constitutional right to fly just because they bought a ticket.
By buying a ticket, a passenger agrees to abide by the airlines posted rules (even the rules we might think are ridiculous or men-spirited). I would guess AA has a reason behind not wanting strollers onboard.
Rules about AA's policy with regard to strollers are clearly posted.

Passengers also have a right to not be mistreated by the airlines employees (even if they are enforcing the airlines rules) which is where meathead steward erred. He will pay for his error for sure.

he's a mere flight attendant in a really simple situation.....

it only req'd this.... (in helpful tone) "ma'am, may I please have your stroller and gate check it...you were misinformed and it's AA policy that it be gate checked"

if she refuses, he goes to the captain and calls security....

/story

I agree...security was a better option than forcefully taking the stroller.

My suggestion to announce the flight doesn't leave while the stroller is on the plane would've put pressure on the mother to give up the stroller without having to call security. Then if she doesn't call security.

Based on accounts by people there, mother did refuse to hand over the stroller when asked first and then napoleon steward took it form her...he should've called security as you suggested. I'm pretty sure the captain is seen in the video so I am not sure if the captain had been called or not.

The flight attendant's union has asked for everyone to not rush to judgement so it is possible there is even more to the story.

(04-23-2017 12:15 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 12:06 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 11:54 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 11:08 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 10:51 AM)DFWMINER Wrote:  First she was from Argentina? Maybe she didn't understand gate check?

Second, the attendent could have stated he would find a location for the stroller, making it seem he would look up top in the bag bins but just take it to store below, while asking another attendant to "help" them find their seat. This would have diffused the situation.

There is some fault with the women but I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.

regardless. in this particular situation, dipshite should've been able to handle this scenario w/o it escalating to the level it did.....that's part of his ******* job unless someone brandishes a weapon.....in this case, I don't think the stroller applies....

he's a fat, short, stressed out, worthless POS in a dead-end/high stress job anyway you slice it....

time for his pudgy arse to start stocking shelves or unloading trucks...

I agree he should've handled it better but the media is making this out to be poor innocent picked-on sobbing mother who was just trying to travel with twin toddlers and mean old American Airlines...

• Mother either ignored or didn't read the airlines rules for strollers...
• Mother ignored being told to gate check her stroller (and the gate check tag) and brought the stroller on board.
• When the flight crew realized she was trying to stow a stroller (and a double stroller at that), mother was asked to turn it over. She refused to turn it over.
• poor innocent picked-on sobbing mother started the escalation...

…Then the over the top crew napoleonic crew member escalated it further trying to take it from her forcefully and then proceeded to made it worse when he got mouthy with the passengers who stood up for the mother. He deserves his suspension.

In short after the mother refused to turn over the stroller, the flight crew should've said out loud on the speaker so everyone could hear...

"this flight does not leave until the stroller is gatechecked."

Then everyone knows the mother is the one who is refusing to gatecheck and causing their flight to not leave on time. Don't think the other passengers wouldve been too sympathetic to her if her actions were causing the flight to delay take off.

Bad behavior on both sides of this altercation.

People need to remember they have no constitutional right to fly just because they bought a ticket.
By buying a ticket, a passenger agrees to abide by the airlines posted rules (even the rules we might think are ridiculous or men-spirited). I would guess AA has a reason behind not wanting strollers onboard.
Rules about AA's policy with regard to strollers are clearly posted.

Passengers also have a right to not be mistreated by the airlines employees (even if they are enforcing the airlines rules) which is where meathead steward erred. He will pay for his error for sure.

he's a mere flight attendant in a really simple situation.....

it only req'd this.... (in helpful tone) "ma'am, may I please have your stroller and gate check it...you were misinformed and it's AA policy that it be gate checked"

if she refuses, he goes to the captain and calls security....

/story

I agree...security was a better option than forcefully taking the stroller.

My suggestion to announce the flight doesn't leave while the stroller is on the plane would've put pressure on the mother to give up the stroller without having to call security. Then if she doesn't call security.

Based on accounts by people there, mother did refuse to hand over the stroller when asked first and then napoleon steward took it form her...he should've called security as you suggested. I'm pretty sure the captain is seen in the video so I am not sure if the captain had been called or not.

The flight attendant's union has asked for everyone to not rush to judgement so it is possible there is even more to the story.

#keyword

those guys are as problematic as those that are tenured....

#accountabilitylosers

(04-23-2017 12:15 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  The flight attendant's union has asked for everyone to not rush to judgement so it is possible there is even more to the story.

Yea, the "more" to the story is not good for them, so they want everyone to forget about it.

If you dont believe me, then let me know when I can expect a response from the union about any action they are taking on the flight attendant. I fully expect this to drop into the abyss of forgetfulness on their part.

They are the union. They can get their hands on every piece of surveillance video quickly, and they have access to every union member that was present. They already know everything there is to know about this. So by Monday we should have their response. Let me know when they do respond.

Again, there was NO JUSTIFICATION for how the flight attendant acted, either yanking the stroller out of the hands of the woman, or his actions towards another passenger. NONE. I dont care if the woman was "almost shouting". THERE WAS NO JUSTIFICATION. I dont care if the stroller was a double wide. THAT IS NO JUSTIFICATION. I dont care if it was gate checked and she rolled it onto the plane. THAT IS NO JUSTIFICATION. And the airline and FA union knows there is no justification. No action by the woman, whether she was right or wrong, justified his actions. You would have to show me what this woman did to justify that. For all of the witnesses that saw it, the only thing they can come up with is that she was "almost shouting." Sorry, that isnt even close to justifying his actions.

you know what's really ironic within this thread......

many on the right are sticking up for the minority and not the corporation whilst the leftist slant is the opposite....

I love it when right is simply right...

...and people wonder why DJT and his platform....lmao

#pragmaticrules

(04-23-2017 12:34 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Again, there was NO JUSTIFICATION for how the flight attendant acted, either yanking the stroller out of the hands of the woman, or his actions towards another passenger.

Are you referring to the other passenger who puffed out his chest and told him he'd "knock him out"?

I agree he deserves any action against him if he roughhoused the stroller away from the woman and struck her in the process. But with everyone's blood pressure and adrenaline already high, this other guy didn't need to barrel up the aisle acting the John McLane tuff guy.

(04-23-2017 02:19 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 12:34 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Again, there was NO JUSTIFICATION for how the flight attendant acted, either yanking the stroller out of the hands of the woman, or his actions towards another passenger.

Are you referring to the other passenger who puffed out his chest and told him he'd "knock him out"?

I agree he deserves any action against him if he roughhoused the stroller away from the woman and struck her in the process. But with everyone's blood pressure and adrenaline already high, this other guy didn't need to barrel up the aisle acting the John McLane tuff guy.

No, I'm talking about the other guy who was defending the woman from the sh*thead flight attendant. And the only chest puffing I saw was from the flight attendant, where it caused his waistline to expand from a 48 to a 64.

And the reason we know about this, and why the video went viral, was because this gentleman stood up to this assclown. Had he not, these flight attendants could continue being jackasses.

(04-23-2017 02:19 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 12:34 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Again, there was NO JUSTIFICATION for how the flight attendant acted, either yanking the stroller out of the hands of the woman, or his actions towards another passenger.

Are you referring to the other passenger who puffed out his chest and told him he'd "knock him out"?

I agree he deserves any action against him if he roughhoused the stroller away from the woman and struck her in the process. But with everyone's blood pressure and adrenaline already high, this other guy didn't need to barrel up the aisle acting the John McLane tuff guy.

he took up for a woman........IMO, chauvinism has become a lost art these days in too many minds....

granted, if it would've been some bull-dyke from wherever=whosville, the libs would be shattin' der britches to defend (ze german "der" was intentional)

disclaimer: note, I didn't mention Hisler.....

just jfc!!!!!!!!!!!!1

(04-23-2017 02:24 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  And the reason we know about this, and why the video went viral, was because this gentleman stood up to this assclown. Had he not, these flight attendants could continue being jackasses.

In this case (assuming the description of the events leading up to this was accurate), yes... this specific flight attendant was a jackarse of the third degree.

But being honest, I hope this doesn't embolden certain passengers from being even more belligerent toward ticket agents and flight crew now, knowing the airlines are hyper sensitive from bad press. Flown enough to witness entitled passengers, a few having a couple too many at the ol' airport bar, purposefully testing the patience of flight workers.

(04-23-2017 02:27 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 02:19 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 12:34 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Again, there was NO JUSTIFICATION for how the flight attendant acted, either yanking the stroller out of the hands of the woman, or his actions towards another passenger.

Are you referring to the other passenger who puffed out his chest and told him he'd "knock him out"?

I agree he deserves any action against him if he roughhoused the stroller away from the woman and struck her in the process. But with everyone's blood pressure and adrenaline already high, this other guy didn't need to barrel up the aisle acting the John McLane tuff guy.

he took up for a woman........IMO, chauvinism has become a lost art these days in too many minds....

Fair enough.

Although most women I know nowadays would've cussed out the attendant and raised holy hell, especially if he came with an inch of hitting the child. This one sobbed forever like a broken-hearted schoolgirl.

(04-23-2017 02:37 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 02:27 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 02:19 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 12:34 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Again, there was NO JUSTIFICATION for how the flight attendant acted, either yanking the stroller out of the hands of the woman, or his actions towards another passenger.

Are you referring to the other passenger who puffed out his chest and told him he'd "knock him out"?

I agree he deserves any action against him if he roughhoused the stroller away from the woman and struck her in the process. But with everyone's blood pressure and adrenaline already high, this other guy didn't need to barrel up the aisle acting the John McLane tuff guy.

he took up for a woman........IMO, chauvinism has become a lost art these days in too many minds....

Fair enough.

Although most women I know nowadays would've cussed out the attendant and raised holy hell, especially if he came with an inch of hitting the child. This one sobbed forever like a broken-hearted schoolgirl.

Wow. Just wow. I dont know what you have against women, but its something.

Anyone travelling with two small children needs all of the help they can get, but a especially a woman flying internationally. I don know why some believe a woman flying internationally needs to be the expert on commercial international flying, but its ok for a pampered flight attendant who's job it is to properly handle these situations to act like a dipsh*t.

(04-23-2017 02:37 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 02:27 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 02:19 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 12:34 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Again, there was NO JUSTIFICATION for how the flight attendant acted, either yanking the stroller out of the hands of the woman, or his actions towards another passenger.

Are you referring to the other passenger who puffed out his chest and told him he'd "knock him out"?

I agree he deserves any action against him if he roughhoused the stroller away from the woman and struck her in the process. But with everyone's blood pressure and adrenaline already high, this other guy didn't need to barrel up the aisle acting the John McLane tuff guy.

he took up for a woman........IMO, chauvinism has become a lost art these days in too many minds....

Fair enough.

Although most women I know nowadays would've cussed out the attendant and raised holy hell, especially if he came with an inch of hitting the child. This one sobbed forever like a broken-hearted schoolgirl.

you should see what comes out of the 'babes' servicing the many section 8 props.....it's disturbing....

I just make the gov't money and mosey on with a smile as I leave.....they just don't understand the simplest of concepts....and they cannot escape as it exists today....

too many people don't understand the crux of the poor.....livin' in the 'sip is where I have an advantage......

it's why I'm still here.....it doesn't matter how you make it (legally), it matters that you make it....and that guy has zero ******* clue

(04-23-2017 02:54 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 02:37 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 02:27 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 02:19 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 12:34 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Again, there was NO JUSTIFICATION for how the flight attendant acted, either yanking the stroller out of the hands of the woman, or his actions towards another passenger.

Are you referring to the other passenger who puffed out his chest and told him he'd "knock him out"?

I agree he deserves any action against him if he roughhoused the stroller away from the woman and struck her in the process. But with everyone's blood pressure and adrenaline already high, this other guy didn't need to barrel up the aisle acting the John McLane tuff guy.

he took up for a woman........IMO, chauvinism has become a lost art these days in too many minds....

Fair enough.

Although most women I know nowadays would've cussed out the attendant and raised holy hell, especially if he came with an inch of hitting the child. This one sobbed forever like a broken-hearted schoolgirl.

Wow. Just wow. I dont know what you have against women, but its something.

The opposite. I was hoping she'd get in the attendant's face if he pulled that. So were you.

I deliberately left off the rest of your post because it doesn't pertain to what I said. I'm not saying she needed to be an expert. I'm not saying he acted appropriately. Etc.

(04-23-2017 02:56 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 02:54 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 02:37 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 02:27 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 02:19 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Are you referring to the other passenger who puffed out his chest and told him he'd "knock him out"?

I agree he deserves any action against him if he roughhoused the stroller away from the woman and struck her in the process. But with everyone's blood pressure and adrenaline already high, this other guy didn't need to barrel up the aisle acting the John McLane tuff guy.

he took up for a woman........IMO, chauvinism has become a lost art these days in too many minds....

Fair enough.

Although most women I know nowadays would've cussed out the attendant and raised holy hell, especially if he came with an inch of hitting the child. This one sobbed forever like a broken-hearted schoolgirl.

Wow. Just wow. I dont know what you have against women, but its something.

The opposite. I was hoping she'd get in the attendant's face if he pulled that. So were you.

I deliberately left off the rest of your post because it doesn't pertain to what I said. I'm not saying she needed to be an expert. I'm not saying he acted appropriately. Etc.

She was in a foreign country. Why dont you try to get in the face of a flight attendant in Italy and see what happens.