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Directional Illinois schools now have junk bond statuses - closures imminent?
The bonds of at least five directional Illinois campuses were just downgraded this week to junk statuses. Talk of closures is spreading. Illinois' ability to pay seems headed to a crisis and beyond. Chicago St is in a separate desperate condition, but N Ill, S Ill, NE Ill, E Ill, and W Ill are all in a financial crisis. U of Illinois, I'll St, and Ill-Chi are not because of endowments and other income.

Can some Illinois residents share some insight here? Taxes were raised two years ago, but the situation seems even worse now. The Illinois Comptroller has said that a collapse of the University system is likely with Illinois having $13 billion in unpaid bills.
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(04-22-2017 07:55 AM)NoDak Wrote:  The bonds of at least five directional Illinois campuses were just downgraded this week to junk statuses. Talk of closures is spreading. Illinois' ability to pay seems headed to a crisis and beyond. Chicago St is in a separate desperate condition, but N Ill, S Ill, NE Ill, E Ill, and W Ill are all in a financial crisis. U of Illinois, I'll St, and Ill-Chi are not because of endowments and other income.

Can some Illinois residents share some insight here? Taxes were raised two years ago, but the situation seems even worse now.

The dickheads in Springfield are playing politics with peoples' lives and livelihoods! The legislature has not passed a balanced budget in two plus years!!! Some social services and others have been cut. From time to time they pass a stop-gap measure to tide over the schools, but it hasn't been enough. Illinois for the most part, is a democratic state (i.e., read corrupt) with the bulk of the dems from Chicago (the main reason no Republican has been mayor of Chicago since I've been alive). Governor Bruce Rauner, a wealthy billionaire, is a republican who wants to come in and shake things up including implementing term limits and "union busting". His main obstacle is Speaker Michael Madigan an old guard politician who is as guilty as anyone of running the state of Illinois into the ground financially. He takes care of his cronies and blocks the attempts of republicans and well meaning politicians from doing their jobs of being fiscally responsible. Mind you, I didn't vote for Rauner nor did I vote for the former Governor who was a Democrat. I'm just sick and tired of all the fighting, name calling, corruption, cronyism and out-and-out disrespect for their office of public servants.
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RE: Directional Illinois schools now have junk bond statuses - closures imminent?
Can you get your facts straight?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...story.html

Southern Illinois, NE Illinois and University of Illinois have been downgraded. The other schools you mentioned have not. Illinois State also put on watch, but not on the Negative watched like the other three.
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RE: Directional Illinois schools now have junk bond statuses - closures imminent?
Actually, the income tax rate was cut a couple of years ago when Bruce Rauner came into office. I'm not someone that likes raising taxes due to excessive government spending, but we're at the point where there is nothing left to cut and we're realistically going to need an income tax increase back to at least the pre-Rauner level. Regardless of any state spending mistakes in the past, the state simply needs revenue.

Junk bond status in and of itself doesn't mean that closures are imminent. That "just" potentially raises the interest costs for borrowing. (It's certainly very serious, but it doesn't mean that they're bankrupt.) If people think Chicago State is going to be hard to close due to politics, it's an entirely different stratosphere to attempt to close a directional school that draws from a wider middle class to upper middle class population from across the whole state (not just the South Side of Chicago).

Now, I wouldn't be surprised to see consolidation at the top administration level, such as having all of the schools come under the University of Illinois system as opposed to the multiple systems that they have now. I could see a lot of pushback from the U of I there, though. As you've noted, the U of I has a healthy endowment of over $3 billion and they're not going to want to use it to prop up other schools in the state.
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(04-22-2017 08:48 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Can you get your facts straight?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...story.html

Southern Illinois, NE Illinois and University of Illinois have been downgraded. The other schools you mentioned have not. Illinois State also put on watch, but not on the Negative watched like the other three.

This is true for the latest story, although Eastern Illinois and Western Illinois actually have had the worst enrollment declines over the past few years and their financial problems are long-running. Northern Illinois and Southern Illinois have had some enrollment issues, but NIU is buoyed by its relatively close location to Chicago (so they make a fair amount of money on part-time masters and continuing education programs with Chicago-area satellite campuses). SIU is similarly buoyed a bit by its Edwarsville campus that serves a similar role for the Illinois side of the St. Louis metro area. EIU and WIU are more at risk since they're geographically isolated from the Chicago and St. Louis areas and don't have the higher academic and endowment stats as U of I and Illinois State.
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(04-22-2017 08:16 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 07:55 AM)NoDak Wrote:  The bonds of at least five directional Illinois campuses were just downgraded this week to junk statuses. Talk of closures is spreading. Illinois' ability to pay seems headed to a crisis and beyond. Chicago St is in a separate desperate condition, but N Ill, S Ill, NE Ill, E Ill, and W Ill are all in a financial crisis. U of Illinois, I'll St, and Ill-Chi are not because of endowments and other income.

Can some Illinois residents share some insight here? Taxes were raised two years ago, but the situation seems even worse now.

The dickheads in Springfield are playing politics with peoples' lives and livelihoods! The legislature has not passed a balanced budget in two plus years!!! Some social services and others have been cut. From time to time they pass a stop-gap measure to tide over the schools, but it hasn't been enough. Illinois for the most part, is a democratic state (i.e., read corrupt) with the bulk of the dems from Chicago (the main reason no Republican has been mayor of Chicago since I've been alive). Governor Bruce Rauner, a wealthy billionaire, is a republican who wants to come in and shake things up including implementing term limits and "union busting". His main obstacle is Speaker Michael Madigan an old guard politician who is as guilty as anyone of running the state of Illinois into the ground financially. He takes care of his cronies and blocks the attempts of republicans and well meaning politicians from doing their jobs of being fiscally responsible. Mind you, I didn't vote for Rauner nor did I vote for the former Governor who was a Democrat. I'm just sick and tired of all the fighting, name calling, corruption, cronyism and out-and-out disrespect for their office of public servants.

If you know anything about Illinois politics then you know that they are all (Republicans and the Democrats) corrupt. Those counter collar Republicans are more corrupt than those city Democrats (i.e. Governor George Ryan). They are all horrible and it is pay for play throughout the State.
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RE: Directional Illinois schools now have junk bond statuses - closures imminent?
(04-22-2017 08:16 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 07:55 AM)NoDak Wrote:  The bonds of at least five directional Illinois campuses were just downgraded this week to junk statuses. Talk of closures is spreading. Illinois' ability to pay seems headed to a crisis and beyond. Chicago St is in a separate desperate condition, but N Ill, S Ill, NE Ill, E Ill, and W Ill are all in a financial crisis. U of Illinois, I'll St, and Ill-Chi are not because of endowments and other income.

Can some Illinois residents share some insight here? Taxes were raised two years ago, but the situation seems even worse now.

The dickheads in Springfield are playing politics with peoples' lives and livelihoods! The legislature has not passed a balanced budget in two plus years!!! Some social services and others have been cut. From time to time they pass a stop-gap measure to tide over the schools, but it hasn't been enough. Illinois for the most part, is a democratic state (i.e., read corrupt) with the bulk of the dems from Chicago (the main reason no Republican has been mayor of Chicago since I've been alive). Governor Bruce Rauner, a wealthy billionaire, is a republican who wants to come in and shake things up including implementing term limits and "union busting". His main obstacle is Speaker Michael Madigan an old guard politician who is as guilty as anyone of running the state of Illinois into the ground financially. He takes care of his cronies and blocks the attempts of republicans and well meaning politicians from doing their jobs of being fiscally responsible. Mind you, I didn't vote for Rauner nor did I vote for the former Governor who was a Democrat. I'm just sick and tired of all the fighting, name calling, corruption, cronyism and out-and-out disrespect for their office of public servants.

I live far from Illinois, have no family there, and couldn't care less about its politics or the dismal state of its finances or educational system. Further, I'm neither a Republican nor a Democrat.

But I am curious. Could you please explain to us the relative merits of Democratic corruption and Republican corruption? Are they really different, or are they just corruption? If you could, would you replace one with the other? Why?
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(04-22-2017 09:33 AM)colohank Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 08:16 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 07:55 AM)NoDak Wrote:  The bonds of at least five directional Illinois campuses were just downgraded this week to junk statuses. Talk of closures is spreading. Illinois' ability to pay seems headed to a crisis and beyond. Chicago St is in a separate desperate condition, but N Ill, S Ill, NE Ill, E Ill, and W Ill are all in a financial crisis. U of Illinois, I'll St, and Ill-Chi are not because of endowments and other income.

Can some Illinois residents share some insight here? Taxes were raised two years ago, but the situation seems even worse now.

The dickheads in Springfield are playing politics with peoples' lives and livelihoods! The legislature has not passed a balanced budget in two plus years!!! Some social services and others have been cut. From time to time they pass a stop-gap measure to tide over the schools, but it hasn't been enough. Illinois for the most part, is a democratic state (i.e., read corrupt) with the bulk of the dems from Chicago (the main reason no Republican has been mayor of Chicago since I've been alive). Governor Bruce Rauner, a wealthy billionaire, is a republican who wants to come in and shake things up including implementing term limits and "union busting". His main obstacle is Speaker Michael Madigan an old guard politician who is as guilty as anyone of running the state of Illinois into the ground financially. He takes care of his cronies and blocks the attempts of republicans and well meaning politicians from doing their jobs of being fiscally responsible. Mind you, I didn't vote for Rauner nor did I vote for the former Governor who was a Democrat. I'm just sick and tired of all the fighting, name calling, corruption, cronyism and out-and-out disrespect for their office of public servants.

I live far from Illinois, have no family there, and couldn't care less about its politics or the dismal state of its finances or educational system. Further, I'm neither a Republican nor a Democrat.

But I am curious. Could you please explain to us the relative merits of Democratic corruption and Republican corruption? Are they really different, or are they just corruption? If you could, would you replace one with the other? Why?

I am from Illinois and I can tell you right now that there is no difference. Illinois is pay for play. People know about the Democratic crap, because the Democrats run the City of Chicago, but many people are less familiar with the Republicans. They are actually just as corrupt if not more corrupt than the Democrats, but if you are not familiar with them then you would not know it.

Republican Secretary of State George Ryan used to sale commercial drivers licenses to illegal immigrants and one of those immigrants ended driving into a car on the interstate and killing a family. Ryan was elected Governor and eventually he went to prison for his actions as Secretary of State. There are countless other stories about the stuff that the Republicans have done, but since Chicago is the big city then the Democrats are covered more.
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RE: Directional Illinois schools now have junk bond statuses - closures imminent?
(04-22-2017 09:48 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 09:33 AM)colohank Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 08:16 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 07:55 AM)NoDak Wrote:  The bonds of at least five directional Illinois campuses were just downgraded this week to junk statuses. Talk of closures is spreading. Illinois' ability to pay seems headed to a crisis and beyond. Chicago St is in a separate desperate condition, but N Ill, S Ill, NE Ill, E Ill, and W Ill are all in a financial crisis. U of Illinois, I'll St, and Ill-Chi are not because of endowments and other income.

Can some Illinois residents share some insight here? Taxes were raised two years ago, but the situation seems even worse now.

The dickheads in Springfield are playing politics with peoples' lives and livelihoods! The legislature has not passed a balanced budget in two plus years!!! Some social services and others have been cut. From time to time they pass a stop-gap measure to tide over the schools, but it hasn't been enough. Illinois for the most part, is a democratic state (i.e., read corrupt) with the bulk of the dems from Chicago (the main reason no Republican has been mayor of Chicago since I've been alive). Governor Bruce Rauner, a wealthy billionaire, is a republican who wants to come in and shake things up including implementing term limits and "union busting". His main obstacle is Speaker Michael Madigan an old guard politician who is as guilty as anyone of running the state of Illinois into the ground financially. He takes care of his cronies and blocks the attempts of republicans and well meaning politicians from doing their jobs of being fiscally responsible. Mind you, I didn't vote for Rauner nor did I vote for the former Governor who was a Democrat. I'm just sick and tired of all the fighting, name calling, corruption, cronyism and out-and-out disrespect for their office of public servants.

I live far from Illinois, have no family there, and couldn't care less about its politics or the dismal state of its finances or educational system. Further, I'm neither a Republican nor a Democrat.

But I am curious. Could you please explain to us the relative merits of Democratic corruption and Republican corruption? Are they really different, or are they just corruption? If you could, would you replace one with the other? Why?

I am from Illinois and I can tell you right now that there is no difference. Illinois is pay for play. People know about the Democratic crap, because the Democrats run the City of Chicago, but many people are less familiar with the Republicans. They are actually just as corrupt if not more corrupt than the Democrats, but if you are not familiar with them then you would not know it.

Republican Secretary of State George Ryan used to sale commercial drivers licenses to illegal immigrants and one of those immigrants ended driving into a car on the interstate and killing a family. Ryan was elected Governor and eventually he went to prison for his actions as Secretary of State. There are countless other stories about the stuff that the Republicans have done, but since Chicago is the big city then the Democrats are covered more.

Pay for play..yep. Remember Gov Blago selling the Senate seat Pres Obama had to vacate in 2008? He's in prison as well......
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(04-22-2017 07:55 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Talk of closures is spreading.

In your mind??

Who is talking? Where? Links
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(04-22-2017 08:52 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Junk bond status in and of itself doesn't mean that closures are imminent. That "just" potentially raises the interest costs for borrowing.

Junk bonds can actually have a huge payoff. Of course, that's usually how high risk/high reward investments work.

The first of the modern era Las Vegas resorts (The Mirage) was financed by the sale of such bonds. This fact is even referenced at the end of the 1990's movie "Casino".


So, if you believe that universities like WIU and EIU actually have close to zero chance of being unable to pay back their bonds -- which I believe is exactly correct -- then those bonds would be a terrific investment opportunity, at least as far as public university bonds go.
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Illinois' 4 directionals are so horrendously located and all schools are paying for it during the financial crisis.

NIU should've been in Rockford. DeKalb has handicapped the school big time.
WIU should've been in Quad Cities. Macomb is a horrible location - at least go to Quincy on the Mississippi River.
EIU should've been in Chicagoland. Charleston contends for most dead college town in the country. At least shift 45 minutes south to Effingham (200 ft cross, "gateway to bible belt") so you have 90 minutes of separation from Champaign.
SIU should've been where Edwardsville is. Heck, Cairo (pre-ghosttown) would've been interesting with its history and being between two rivers (Ohio & Mississippi). At least they have the best campus of the directionals.

Unfortunately, going back and undoing mistakes over 100 years isn't practical. But those mistakes from over a century are killing all 4 schools.

Illinois and Illinois State are in beautiful, well supported college towns in central Illinois. UIC has done great downtown. Only 3 public trending upward.

I wish they'd close WIU and rename SIUE the "Western Illinois Leathernecks" and transfer all athletics there.
I wish they'd close EIU and use that money to fix up Chicago State.
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Don't forget about NEIU, which is already in Chicago.
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(04-22-2017 08:16 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 07:55 AM)NoDak Wrote:  The bonds of at least five directional Illinois campuses were just downgraded this week to junk statuses. Talk of closures is spreading. Illinois' ability to pay seems headed to a crisis and beyond. Chicago St is in a separate desperate condition, but N Ill, S Ill, NE Ill, E Ill, and W Ill are all in a financial crisis. U of Illinois, I'll St, and Ill-Chi are not because of endowments and other income.

Can some Illinois residents share some insight here? Taxes were raised two years ago, but the situation seems even worse now.

The dickheads in Springfield are playing politics with peoples' lives and livelihoods! The legislature has not passed a balanced budget in two plus years!!! Some social services and others have been cut. From time to time they pass a stop-gap measure to tide over the schools, but it hasn't been enough. Illinois for the most part, is a democratic state (i.e., read corrupt) with the bulk of the dems from Chicago (the main reason no Republican has been mayor of Chicago since I've been alive). Governor Bruce Rauner, a wealthy billionaire, is a republican who wants to come in and shake things up including implementing term limits and "union busting". His main obstacle is Speaker Michael Madigan an old guard politician who is as guilty as anyone of running the state of Illinois into the ground financially. He takes care of his cronies and blocks the attempts of republicans and well meaning politicians from doing their jobs of being fiscally responsible. Mind you, I didn't vote for Rauner nor did I vote for the former Governor who was a Democrat. I'm just sick and tired of all the fighting, name calling, corruption, cronyism and out-and-out disrespect for their office of public servants.

Got news for ya.
We used to say really stupid things like you said that I bolded and we had a GOP revolution.
Since then, more cases of bad ethical behavior, legislators getting caught funding programs for pay (bribe), creating positions in state agencies to go take new better paying jobs, took most of the teeth out of the state ethics law, and got term limits rolled back to be meaningless. The great execution battle has revealed that state purchasing law was apparently broken in order to obtain the drugs and looks like a federal mail fraud case as well. Never mind the legislator who posted on Facebook that he would have shot a voter who stopped him to be critical of a vote at Wal-Mart if he hadn't left his gun at home that day.

Don't delude yourself into thinking corruption is a party issue because the Arkansas experience is that the people with a different party label finally get in power there is a lot of pent up demand to be crooked.
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The schools will muddle through. Fire some profs and other staff, cut back on offerings and soldier on.

I predict Rauner gets narrowly reelected and the Dems gain back the two seats they lost the last election ... status quo.

There really is no reason not to compromise both ways. Voters want things funded and they want reform. No consensus to do 100% of either, so do some of both. Unfortunately we now live in a nation where the aim is not to listen to the concerns of all the people, but to destroy and eliminate the voices for the other side. And NEVER EVER compromising just to get things done --- that would be a betrayal of the party; the most holy and scared color.

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can we stop discussing Illinois politics. As a proud RINO in Illinois I can tell you all logical voters in Illinois know that both Madigan and Rauner are narcissistic power hungry lunatics who are clashing. That clash is ruining our state and yes it is effecting our fine public institutions, thats all that needs to be discussed in regards to our state politics. Glad my alma matter has enough support and the overall infrastructure to be handily surviving this. Also for all the WIU to OVC people, this problem here is the only reason WIU would consider leaving. I think that dynamic with western is the most interesting aspect to this whole crisis as it would pertain to collegiate athletics
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(04-22-2017 08:48 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Can you get your facts straight?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...story.html

Southern Illinois, NE Illinois and University of Illinois have been downgraded. The other schools you mentioned have not. Illinois State also put on watch, but not on the Negative watched like the other three.

Look up S&P or Moody's ratings if can you actually Google. There's a ton of stories about all of them.

W Ill message board seems to be panicked now.

The crisis has hit all those directional schools enrollments, which worsens the impact both short and long term. Few Illinois kids will enroll at the directionals as programs are being cut left and right. Illinois kids choosing out of state schools is at a record high.

I specifically stated that Ill St, U of Ill, and Ill-Chi are not as effected.
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(04-22-2017 04:52 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 08:48 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Can you get your facts straight?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...story.html

Southern Illinois, NE Illinois and University of Illinois have been downgraded. The other schools you mentioned have not. Illinois State also put on watch, but not on the Negative watched like the other three.

Look up S&P or Moody's ratings if can you actually Google. There's a ton of stories about all of them.

W Ill message board seems to be panicked now.

The crisis has hit all those directional schools enrollments, which worsens the impact both short and long term. Few Illinois kids will enroll at the directionals as programs are being cut left and right. Illinois kids choosing out of state schools is at a record high.

I specifically stated that Ill St, U of Ill, and Ill-Chi are not as effected.
OP please edit your original post so it is accurate, right now it is just misleading people with false information

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(04-22-2017 05:18 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 04:52 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 08:48 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Can you get your facts straight?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...story.html

Southern Illinois, NE Illinois and University of Illinois have been downgraded. The other schools you mentioned have not. Illinois State also put on watch, but not on the Negative watched like the other three.

Look up S&P or Moody's ratings if can you actually Google. There's a ton of stories about all of them.

W Ill message board seems to be panicked now.

The crisis has hit all those directional schools enrollments, which worsens the impact both short and long term. Few Illinois kids will enroll at the directionals as programs are being cut left and right. Illinois kids choosing out of state schools is at a record high.

I specifically stated that Ill St, U of Ill, and Ill-Chi are not as effected.
OP please edit your original post so it is accurate, right now it is just misleading people with false information

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So programs cut and closing doesn't affect future enrollment? Bond ratings at nearly all Illinois publics are down, the directionals to junk levels. I understand your concerns about NIU, but there aren't any facts wrong.

The Illinois Comptroller has said some directionals will be up for closure and the system will collapse. Take it up with her.
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(04-22-2017 05:23 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 05:18 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 04:52 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 08:48 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Can you get your facts straight?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...story.html

Southern Illinois, NE Illinois and University of Illinois have been downgraded. The other schools you mentioned have not. Illinois State also put on watch, but not on the Negative watched like the other three.

Look up S&P or Moody's ratings if can you actually Google. There's a ton of stories about all of them.

W Ill message board seems to be panicked now.

The crisis has hit all those directional schools enrollments, which worsens the impact both short and long term. Few Illinois kids will enroll at the directionals as programs are being cut left and right. Illinois kids choosing out of state schools is at a record high.

I specifically stated that Ill St, U of Ill, and Ill-Chi are not as effected.
OP please edit your original post so it is accurate, right now it is just misleading people with false information

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So programs cut and closing doesn't affect future enrollment? Bond ratings at nearly all Illinois publics are down, the directionals to junk levels. I understand your concerns about NIU, but there isn't any facts wrong.

The Illinois Comptroller has said some directionals will be up for closure and the system will collapse. Take it up with her.

Actually, there are. And not just about my school

(Full disclosure, I'm chatting with you as a fan and not as a mod)

Go back and read the article, then read what you have posted and see if anything jumps out as a blatant falsehood that you presented as fact... I'll wait

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