Boston would get to the Patriot much sooner with football.

It's hard to imagine a future for Pacific (they really wanted back in with the WCC and weren't going to let football fraction those chances), since it seems they really cut down their spending out there, but the Cal State's...that tosses a possibility Big West could have survived as a FBS football conference.

Long Beach
Fullerton
NMSU
Idaho
North Texas
Arkansas State
Boise
Utah State

Even with the cutting between MWC, WAC, and Sun Belt, the top five stay put and probably keep one of the others around to stay at the minimum level. Maybe Hawaii comes over? They stay alive a bit longer. Maybe you get an entry point for the other FCS schools to field FBS football on the cheap this way...the Montana's, NDSU, Cal Poly, some of the other Big Sky football schools...now you have more FBS teams in the west.

The WAC couldn't kill that. Still too many Cal State teams getting the benefit of Big West affiliation that wouldn't get attention to a WAC with Fresno and San Jose probably stuffing the others?

RMAC as a whole if they did not dropped down to a lower level. They were considered a former D1 conference as well.

Colorado College
Colorado Mines
Western State
Adams State
Colorado State-Pueblo
Fort Hays State
Fort Lewis
Regis
Western New Mexico
Westminster, UT
New Mexico Highlands
Colorado Mesa
Chadron State
Wayne State, NE.
Nebraska-Kearney
Then in 1997, they would have added:
San Francisco State


Lone Star Conference:
Angelo State
Cameron
Eastern New Mexico
Midwestern State
Tarleton State
Texas A&M-Commerce
Texas A&M-Kingsville
Central Oklahoma
East Central Oklahoma
Harding
Howard Payne
McMurry
Northeastern State, Oklahoma
Ouachita Baptist
Southeastern Oklahoma State
Southwestern Oklahoma State
Sul Ross State

Northwest Conference:
George Fox
Lewis and Clark
Linfield
Pacific, Or.
Pacific Lutheran
Puget Sound
Whitman
Whitworth
Willamette
College of Idaho
British Columbia

Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference:
CalTech
Cal. Lutheran
Chapman
Claremont
Harvey Mudd
Scripps
La Verne
Occidental
Pomona
Pitzer
Redlands
Whittier

Former members were San Diego, UCSB and UCLA.

Kansas Collegiate Athletic Conference:
Bethany
Bethel
Friends
Kansas Wesleyan
McPherson
Ottawa
Southwestern, Kansas
Sterling
Tabor
Baker
Benedictine
Emporia State
Pittsburg State
St. Mary's of the Plains

Former members include Kansas, Kansas State and Wichita State.


Kentucky Intercollegiate Athletic Conference:
Rio Grande
Campbellsville
Centre
Cumberlands
Georgetown, KY.
Kentucky Wesleyan
Pikeville
Thomas More
Transylvania
Union, KY.
Virginia Wise

Former members include Louisville, Eastern Kentucky, Morehead State, Murray State.

West Virginia Intercollegiate Athletic Conference: Just shut down a few years ago.
Alderson
Broaddus (merge with Alderson)
Bethany, WV.
Bluefield State
Charleston
Fairmont State
Glenville State
Ohio Valley
Salem International
Sheperd
West Liberty
West Virginia State
West Virginia Wesleyan
West Virginia Tech

Former members include West Virginia and Marshall.

These were considered conferences which many had FBS schools in them that were created in the early 1900s.

One thing that is certain is that whichever conference they ended up in, if they had not dropped football, DavidSt would have a thread about them moving to a different one.

(04-21-2017 09:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  This is about schools who used to have football or who downgraded football?

Which conference they should go into today if they did not dropped or downgraded?


American University dropped 1941
Little Rock 1955
Boston U.
Bradley
Fullerton State
Long Beach State
Northridge State
Cal.-Riverside
Cal.-Santa Barbara
Canisius
Centenary LA
College of Charleston 1923
Creighton
Denver
DePaul
Detroit
Drexel
Evansville
Fairfield
George Washington
Gonzaga
High Point
Hofstra
Illinois-Chicago
Iona
La Salle
Long Island
Loyola Marymount
Loyola-Chicago
Loyola-Maryland
Manhattan
Marquette
Maryland-Eastern Shore
Mount Saint Mary's
City College of New York
NYU
Niagara
UNC-Asheville
Pacific
Pepperdine
Portland
Providence
Rider
Saint Bonaventure
St. Francis NY
St. Johns NY
Saint Joseph's
Saint Louis
St. Mary's, California
Saint Peter's
U. of San Francisco
Santa Clara
Seton Hall
Siena
Texas A&M-Corpus Christie
UTA
UTRGV
Vermont
Wichita State
Milwaukee
Xavier, Ohio
Alaska-Fairbanks
University of Baltimore former D1
Bradley
Brooklyn
California Baptist
CalTech
California State- Los Angeles
Cal-San Diego
Cameron
Colorado College
University of District Columbia
Fairleigh Dickinson University
Haskell Indian Nations University
Lake Superior State University
Morris Brown College about to close. School have less than 100 student enrolled.
University of Nebraska Omaha
University of North Georgia
Oakland University
Oklahoma City University
Phillips University now closed was a former SWC member
Saint Leo University
San Francisco State University
Sonoma State University
University of Tampa
Texas Wesleyan University would reinstate their football team this fall, formally played as a major college.
Case Western Reserve University now in D3
Western Washington University
Washburn was in MVC
West Texas A&M was in MVC
Sewanee
Trinity Texas
Southwestern Texas
Washington MO
Grinnell
Washington and Lee
Johns Hopkins
Carnegie Mellon
Bentley
Assumption
Colorado Mines
Regis
Metro State
Western State
American International College
Merrimack College
Northern Michigan University was a member of a D1 for all sports with Youngstown State and some MAC members from Michigan.
Michigan Technological University
Wayne State University
Eastern New Mexico University
Adelphi University
Le Moyne College
Mercy College
Winston–Salem State University
Cedarville University
Mercyhurst University
West Chester University of Pennsylvania
Erskine College
Angelo State University
Texas A&M University–Kingsville
Texas A&M University–Commerce
University of Charleston
Shepherd University
Birmingham–Southern College
California Lutheran University
Chapman University
Claremont–Mudd–Scripps three small colleges combined their football to form one team. ClareMont, Harvey Mudd and Scripps
University of La Verne
Occidental College
Pomona College and Pitzer College to form Pomona Pitzer
University of Redlands
Whittier College
The California D3 schools in that conference used to played against UCLA.
Trinity College Conn.
United States Coast Guard Academy
Wesleyan University
Catholic University of America
Gallaudet University
University of Chicago
Eureka College
Illinois College
Illinois Wesleyan University
Knox College
Lake Forest College Was asked to be co-founders of the Big 10.
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Coe College
Cornell College Iowa
Centre College
Thomas More College
Louisiana College
Mississippi College
Bates College
Bowdoin College
Colby College
Husson University
Maine Maritime Academy
Salisbury University
Amherst College
University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Massachusetts Maritime Academy
Springfield College
Wheaton College
Williams College
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester State University
Adrian College
Alma College
Hope College
Kalamazoo College
Olivet College
Gustavus Adolphus College
Hamline University
University of St. Thomas
Plymouth State University
Rowan University
Buffalo State College
Hartwick College[
Hobart
Ithaca College
Cortland State
New York Maritime
RPI
Merchant Marines
Utica College
Guilford College
Methodist University
Capital University
Heidelberg University
Oberlin College
College of Wooster
George Fox University
Linfield College
Pacific University Oregon
Willamette University
Albright College
Carnegie Mellon University
Dickinson College
Franklin & Marshall College[
Gettysburg College
Grove City College
Muhlenberg College
Swarthmore College
Ursinus College
Washington & Jefferson College
Salve Regina University
Maryville College
Rhodes College
Austin College
Sul Ross State University
Southwestern
Hardin-Simmons
Norwich University
Bridgewater College
Hampden–Sydney College
Randolph–Macon College
Roanoke College
Shenandoah University
Washington and Lee University
Pacific Lutheran University
University of Puget Sound
Whitman College
Carthage College
University of Wisconsin–La Crosse
University of Wisconsin–Oshkosh
University of Wisconsin–Whitewater
College of Idaho
Indiana Wesleyan University
Baker University
Friends University
Georgetown College
University of the Cumberlands
Union College
Union, Tenn.
Cumberland University
West Virginia University Institute of Technology
Wentworth Military Academy and College
Marion Military Institute
Georgia Military College
Mississippi Delta Community College
New Mexico Military Institute


These were all used to be D1 or considered major programs at one time. Were would they be now today?

Are you just listing colleges?

David the RMAC was never considered a D1 conference. The conference levels didn't exist. It stopped being a major conference in 1937 when CU,CSU, Denver, UW, UU, BYU and USU left. And for 1938 the only members were what is now Northern Colorado, Colorado College, School of Mines, Western State, and Montana State. You can't seriously think that Colorado College could sustain a D1 athletic department. They can barely compete at the D3 level. Actually, CC was left out when the RMAC reorganized and expanded in 1967

Try again in English.

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I'm going to take a wild stab at this one and guess if Buffalo State, Cortland State, Hartwick College, Ithaca College and Utica College had football, they'd be in the Empire 8 Conference and if Hobart and RPI had football, they'd be in the Liberty League.

(04-21-2017 09:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Siena

I mean, probably still the MAAC. It was a non-scholarship league in football. All the MAAC schools dropped their football programs except for Marist, which moved to the Pioneer. Monmouth joined later and found another home for their scholarship football team. Siena would've also needed a new stadium, they played in Heritage Park, a minor-league baseball stadium that was mothballed around that same time. The area's new minor-league baseball stadium is on the Hudson Valley Community College campus and I'm not sure how adaptable it even is for football. Other than UAlbany's football stadium, there really aren't any other adequate facilities. The City of Albany's Bleecker Stadium is underwhelming enough that even Albany High School is currently in the process of building their own field. The Siena campus is pretty much locked into its current size and the high-income neighbors don't want bright lights. Siena is much better off focusing on basketball. Lacrosse has growth potential.

It has already been mentioned but West Texas A&M would likely be in a completely different conference and situation had they stayed DI. They might have landed anywhere from the WAC, Sun Belt, CUSA, or even the MWC had things gone well. They are a football school to the max and have their market pretty well cornered with a solid fan base being the only large school in the area. They would have had their fair share of UT/Tech/A&M fans but imagine them "gaining steam" instead of Texas State and UTSA coming on board with DI football.

(04-24-2017 09:32 AM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 09:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Siena

I mean, probably still the MAAC. It was a non-scholarship league in football. All the MAAC schools dropped their football programs except for Marist, which moved to the Pioneer. Monmouth joined later and found another home for their scholarship football team. Siena would've also needed a new stadium, they played in Heritage Park, a minor-league baseball stadium that was mothballed around that same time. The area's new minor-league baseball stadium is on the Hudson Valley Community College campus and I'm not sure how adaptable it even is for football. Other than UAlbany's football stadium, there really aren't any other adequate facilities. The City of Albany's Bleecker Stadium is underwhelming enough that even Albany High School is currently in the process of building their own field. The Siena campus is pretty much locked into its current size and the high-income neighbors don't want bright lights. Siena is much better off focusing on basketball. Lacrosse has growth potential.

I get the impression playing in other schools' facilities goes over like a fart in church.

In Philly, you have to wonder what kind of face UPenn makes when it offers Franklin Field's services. A capable, seasoned venue, it gets no play from Temple of Villanova. No reason it shouldn't, other than it just not looking good from image/PR. As if image has to drive everything?

In basketball, it was the two bigs (Villanova and Temple) who took Big 5 games out of the Palestra and back onto their home courts, if the Palestra is the smaller venue. It's still good enough for St. Joe's and LaSalle, though. It was fine enough for a time...not anymore. Shame that it had to change...and still no good reason to, other than greed and image. Tradition meant nothing.

West Texas A&M is not that big of a school. Having only 9900 students they are smaller than A&M-Commerce, A&M-Corpus Christi, and Tarleton State just among the other A&M system schools. The Amarillo metropolitan area is only around 250k people as well.

If they had FBS football they might be able to pull some support away from Texas Tech, but they'd still be behind UTSA and Texas State. There's just not many people in that area. They could be a solid FCS program, but I don't see them growing much more than that any time soon.

(04-22-2017 07:33 AM)3BNole Wrote:  It's actually an interesting hypothetical, but the problem is that DavidSt throws just a massive, unorganized list (directly from wikipedia) out there that comes as just a wall of crazy text. I mean, no one can sort through all that. I'm not sure if the expectation is to come up with a conference for each one of those 100 or so schools from DI-NAIA...

Anyways, it's interesting enough of a question, so how about if I do some weed-whacking and propose a more manageable and relevant list:

What conferences do you think these football programs would be in today if they were still around and what would those conferences look like?

Boston U
Pacific
Cal State Fullerton
Long Beach State
Wichita State

I fail to see how different this is than any of the rest of his posts

Football can't start soon enough

(04-24-2017 09:47 AM)Shox Wrote:  It has already been mentioned but West Texas A&M would likely be in a completely different conference and situation had they stayed DI. They might have landed anywhere from the WAC, Sun Belt, CUSA, or even the MWC had things gone well. They are a football school to the max and have their market pretty well cornered with a solid fan base being the only large school in the area. They would have had their fair share of UT/Tech/A&M fans but imagine them "gaining steam" instead of Texas State and UTSA coming on board with DI football.

Had they stayed D-I, they'd have been in the WAC, then probably independent, though perhaps in C-USA today. They'd be struggling to find an identity like NMSU is currently.

(04-24-2017 04:15 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(04-24-2017 09:47 AM)Shox Wrote:  It has already been mentioned but West Texas A&M would likely be in a completely different conference and situation had they stayed DI. They might have landed anywhere from the WAC, Sun Belt, CUSA, or even the MWC had things gone well. They are a football school to the max and have their market pretty well cornered with a solid fan base being the only large school in the area. They would have had their fair share of UT/Tech/A&M fans but imagine them "gaining steam" instead of Texas State and UTSA coming on board with DI football.

Had they stayed D-I, they'd have been in the WAC, then probably independent, though perhaps in C-USA today. They'd be struggling to find an identity like NMSU is currently.

Not sure. They have been pretty good at winning conference championships in football. Their real rivals in all sports are at the D1 level. They would have been better than New Mexico State in the SBC lately.

The scope of this thread is entirely to broad. Can we limit the conversation to just schools that are still in D1 but no longer sponsor football? That's a bit more manageable.

Looking at just the programs out West I'd say if Cal St Fullerton, Long Beach St, Cal St Northridge, and Pacific still had teams their would still be either a WAC or Big West football conference at the FBS level featuring those schools along with UC Davis, Cal Poly, Sacramento St, Idaho, and NMSU.

Programs like UT-A and UALR are probably exactly where they are now. Wichita St would have been passed around a few leagues since 1985 but would still probably land in the same spot they are now.

Had Washington & Lee not deemphasized athletics shortly before the SoCon broke up, they might well have been in the ACC with Virginia and peers like Wake Forest.

"If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle"

What this thread reminds me of.

A lot of speculation, a lot that could probably be made into an interesting blog entry or essay or thesis/reflection. And a lot that didn't happen for various reasons.

You can't really tell what may or may not have happened beyond the past five years or so. Chief example: what if Miami dropped out of FBS as they considered around 1980? That's quite a bit of history changed, both on and off the field. Maybe the original Big East doesn't get formed and maybe Florida State becomes the biggest power over the years because they no longer have to lose multiple games on a last second field goal to a team that took full advantage. Then maybe they go on to be in the SEC or B1G. Recruiting strategies wouldn't be what they are thanks to Howard Schnellenberger's tactics and, again with Florida State, maybe they get that many more players that otherwise would have gone to the U.

(04-25-2017 09:04 AM)megadrone Wrote:  "If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle"

What this thread reminds me of.

A lot of speculation, a lot that could probably be made into an interesting blog entry or essay or thesis/reflection. And a lot that didn't happen for various reasons.

"If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle"---maybe not these days. She still might be your Aunt.