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RE: Which Conference These Schools Be In Today If They Did Not Dropped Football?
(07-27-2018 11:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(07-27-2018 10:58 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm mostly impressed by the sheer size of the list.


This is like a history of college at major sports level in the past.

There was a whole conference at the major level for Oklahoma schools. The front runners of that conference was Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Oklahoma was only in it for 1 year. 1914. Oklahoma State was in it for several years losing football titles to Central Oklahoma, SW Oklahoma State and Tulsa. Central Oklahoma could be the next closest in moving up to D1 from the whole group. It is pretty interesting history of sports to see who played who, and when politics and academics did not play any part in schools ending up where they are at today.
Central Oklahoma’s enrollment has been dropping as mentioned by Forbes. The other schools that they list as having prominent enrollment drops, some likely terminal, are WIU, SIU, Chicago St, EMU and Akron.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardvedd...99765f5121
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RE: Which Conference These Schools Be In Today If They Did Not Dropped Football?
(07-28-2018 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Central Oklahoma’s enrollment has been dropping as mentioned by Forbes. The other schools that they list as having prominent enrollment drops, some likely terminal, are WIU, SIU, Chicago St, EMU and Akron.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardvedd...99765f5121

They really should've voted in favor of splitting off SIU-Edwardsville from the SIU system.
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RE: Which Conference These Schools Be In Today If They Did Not Dropped Football?
(07-28-2018 09:06 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  
(07-28-2018 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Central Oklahoma’s enrollment has been dropping as mentioned by Forbes. The other schools that they list as having prominent enrollment drops, some likely terminal, are WIU, SIU, Chicago St, EMU and Akron.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardvedd...99765f5121

They really should've voted in favor of splitting off SIU-Edwardsville from the SIU system.

Are you saying because SIU-Edwardsville is better than the SIU system, or because it's dragging the system down? Just curious - my wife's oldest sister lives in Edwardsville and my nephew is a junior there. I've always thought it was a pretty city when we visit. I've never been to Carbondale but I'd imagine that's a much more rural setting than Edwardsville which is a suburb of St. Louis.
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RE: Which Conference These Schools Be In Today If They Did Not Dropped Football?
(07-28-2018 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(07-27-2018 11:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(07-27-2018 10:58 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm mostly impressed by the sheer size of the list.


This is like a history of college at major sports level in the past.

There was a whole conference at the major level for Oklahoma schools. The front runners of that conference was Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Oklahoma was only in it for 1 year. 1914. Oklahoma State was in it for several years losing football titles to Central Oklahoma, SW Oklahoma State and Tulsa. Central Oklahoma could be the next closest in moving up to D1 from the whole group. It is pretty interesting history of sports to see who played who, and when politics and academics did not play any part in schools ending up where they are at today.
Central Oklahoma’s enrollment has been dropping as mentioned by Forbes. The other schools that they list as having prominent enrollment drops, some likely terminal, are WIU, SIU, Chicago St, EMU and Akron.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardvedd...99765f5121


Central Oklahoma could be fixed. The state have stupid politicians who refused to fund the schools properly. Now, Central Oklahoma does have a sugar daddy that have been given them millions of dollars to upgrade their sports facilities to be better than the D2 level. Even the enrollment went down at Arkansas Tech does not mean it is that bad. Enrollment can bounce back and forth. HBCUs have been on the rise. Langston had an increase of incoming freshman in the fall of 2017. So, the article mentioned one of the reasons why HBCUs have increased because African American think these colleges and universities are safe zones and that they feel like they are not welcome at schools like Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Central Oklahoma and so forth. They flock to schools even at Central Oklahoma, Arkansas Tech and so forth under Obama's watch while HBCUs enrollment have went down. The trend reversed under Trump's watch. I hate talking politics on issues like colleges and universities with athletics. Sometimes all three intertwined with each other into knots.
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RE: Which Conference These Schools Be In Today If They Did Not Dropped Football?
(07-28-2018 09:21 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(07-28-2018 09:06 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  
(07-28-2018 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Central Oklahoma’s enrollment has been dropping as mentioned by Forbes. The other schools that they list as having prominent enrollment drops, some likely terminal, are WIU, SIU, Chicago St, EMU and Akron.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardvedd...99765f5121

They really should've voted in favor of splitting off SIU-Edwardsville from the SIU system.

Are you saying because SIU-Edwardsville is better than the SIU system, or because it's dragging the system down? Just curious - my wife's oldest sister lives in Edwardsville and my nephew is a junior there. I've always thought it was a pretty city when we visit. I've never been to Carbondale but I'd imagine that's a much more rural setting than Edwardsville which is a suburb of St. Louis.

SIU-Edwardsville has been arguably the best run non-flagship school alongside UIC & ISU considering where they started. SIU is unequivocally the worst run school among directionals.

EIU is run well but terribly located with nothing but Effingham within 45 minutes in all directions. WIU also suffers from terrible location.

They should just make SIU-E the Western Illinois Leathernecks and close down Macomb.
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RE: Which Conference These Schools Be In Today If They Did Not Dropped Football?
(07-28-2018 09:21 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(07-28-2018 09:06 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  
(07-28-2018 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Central Oklahoma’s enrollment has been dropping as mentioned by Forbes. The other schools that they list as having prominent enrollment drops, some likely terminal, are WIU, SIU, Chicago St, EMU and Akron.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardvedd...99765f5121

They really should've voted in favor of splitting off SIU-Edwardsville from the SIU system.

Are you saying because SIU-Edwardsville is better than the SIU system, or because it's dragging the system down? Just curious - my wife's oldest sister lives in Edwardsville and my nephew is a junior there. I've always thought it was a pretty city when we visit. I've never been to Carbondale but I'd imagine that's a much more rural setting than Edwardsville which is a suburb of St. Louis.

Edwardsville isn't dragging the system down, nor do I think they are any better than Carbondale. The SIU system has little money and two large mouths competing for it. The SIU president is leaving because he tried to give money to Edwardsville that was originally Carbondale's, then referred to the people in Carbondale as "bitchers". The campuses have been in "Civil War" for funds and the only way it will end is if one school leaves the SIU system.
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RE: Which Conference These Schools Be In Today If They Did Not Dropped Football?
(04-21-2017 09:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  This is about schools who used to have football or who downgraded football?

Which conference they should go into today if they did not dropped or downgraded?


American University dropped 1941
Little Rock 1955
Boston U.
Bradley
Fullerton State
Long Beach State
Northridge State
Cal.-Riverside
Cal.-Santa Barbara
Canisius
Centenary LA
College of Charleston 1923
Creighton
Denver
DePaul
Detroit
Drexel
Evansville
Fairfield
George Washington
Gonzaga
High Point
Hofstra
Illinois-Chicago
Iona
La Salle
Long Island
Loyola Marymount
Loyola-Chicago
Loyola-Maryland
Manhattan
Marquette
Maryland-Eastern Shore
Mount Saint Mary's
City College of New York
NYU
Niagara
UNC-Asheville
Pacific
Pepperdine
Portland
Providence
Rider
Saint Bonaventure
St. Francis NY
St. Johns NY
Saint Joseph's
Saint Louis
St. Mary's, California
Saint Peter's
U. of San Francisco
Santa Clara
Seton Hall
Siena
Texas A&M-Corpus Christie
UTA
UTRGV
Vermont
Wichita State
Milwaukee
Xavier, Ohio
Alaska-Fairbanks
University of Baltimore former D1
Bradley
Brooklyn
California Baptist
CalTech
California State- Los Angeles
Cal-San Diego
Cameron
Colorado College
University of District Columbia
Fairleigh Dickinson University
Haskell Indian Nations University
Lake Superior State University
Morris Brown College about to close. School have less than 100 student enrolled.
University of Nebraska Omaha
University of North Georgia
Oakland University
Oklahoma City University
Phillips University now closed was a former SWC member
Saint Leo University
San Francisco State University
Sonoma State University
University of Tampa
Texas Wesleyan University would reinstate their football team this fall, formally played as a major college.
Case Western Reserve University now in D3
Western Washington University
Washburn was in MVC
West Texas A&M was in MVC
Sewanee
Trinity Texas
Southwestern Texas
Washington MO
Grinnell
Washington and Lee
Johns Hopkins
Carnegie Mellon
Bentley
Assumption
Colorado Mines
Regis
Metro State
Western State
American International College
Merrimack College
Northern Michigan University was a member of a D1 for all sports with Youngstown State and some MAC members from Michigan.
Michigan Technological University
Wayne State University
Eastern New Mexico University
Adelphi University
Le Moyne College
Mercy College
Winston–Salem State University
Cedarville University
Mercyhurst University
West Chester University of Pennsylvania
Erskine College
Angelo State University
Texas A&M University–Kingsville
Texas A&M University–Commerce
University of Charleston
Shepherd University
Birmingham–Southern College
California Lutheran University
Chapman University
Claremont–Mudd–Scripps three small colleges combined their football to form one team. ClareMont, Harvey Mudd and Scripps
University of La Verne
Occidental College
Pomona College and Pitzer College to form Pomona Pitzer
University of Redlands
Whittier College
The California D3 schools in that conference used to played against UCLA.
Trinity College Conn.
United States Coast Guard Academy
Wesleyan University
Catholic University of America
Gallaudet University
University of Chicago
Eureka College
Illinois College
Illinois Wesleyan University
Knox College
Lake Forest College Was asked to be co-founders of the Big 10.
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Coe College
Cornell College Iowa
Centre College
Thomas More College
Louisiana College
Mississippi College
Bates College
Bowdoin College
Colby College
Husson University
Maine Maritime Academy
Salisbury University
Amherst College
University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Massachusetts Maritime Academy
Springfield College
Wheaton College
Williams College
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester State University
Adrian College
Alma College
Hope College
Kalamazoo College
Olivet College
Gustavus Adolphus College
Hamline University
University of St. Thomas
Plymouth State University
Rowan University
Buffalo State College
Hartwick College[
Hobart
Ithaca College
Cortland State
New York Maritime
RPI
Merchant Marines
Utica College
Guilford College
Methodist University
Capital University
Heidelberg University
Oberlin College
College of Wooster
George Fox University
Linfield College
Pacific University Oregon
Willamette University
Albright College
Carnegie Mellon University
Dickinson College
Franklin & Marshall College[
Gettysburg College
Grove City College
Muhlenberg College
Swarthmore College
Ursinus College
Washington & Jefferson College
Salve Regina University
Maryville College
Rhodes College
Austin College
Sul Ross State University
Southwestern
Hardin-Simmons
Norwich University
Bridgewater College
Hampden–Sydney College
Randolph–Macon College
Roanoke College
Shenandoah University
Washington and Lee University
Pacific Lutheran University
University of Puget Sound
Whitman College
Carthage College
University of Wisconsin–La Crosse
University of Wisconsin–Oshkosh
University of Wisconsin–Whitewater
College of Idaho
Indiana Wesleyan University
Baker University
Friends University
Georgetown College
University of the Cumberlands
Union College
Union, Tenn.
Cumberland University
West Virginia University Institute of Technology
Wentworth Military Academy and College
Marion Military Institute
Georgia Military College
Mississippi Delta Community College
New Mexico Military Institute


These were all used to be D1 or considered major programs at one time. Were would they be now today?

Baker,Friends,Georgetown College,U of Cumberlands,Union College & Cumberland University are all NAIA schools.The last four play in the Mid-South Conference.Sewanee and Rhodes are D3.
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RE: Which Conference These Schools Be In Today If They Did Not Dropped Football?
(07-29-2018 04:20 PM)Gibson Tiger Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 09:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  This is about schools who used to have football or who downgraded football?

Which conference they should go into today if they did not dropped or downgraded?


American University dropped 1941
Little Rock 1955
Boston U.
Bradley
Fullerton State
Long Beach State
Northridge State
Cal.-Riverside
Cal.-Santa Barbara
Canisius
Centenary LA
College of Charleston 1923
Creighton
Denver
DePaul
Detroit
Drexel
Evansville
Fairfield
George Washington
Gonzaga
High Point
Hofstra
Illinois-Chicago
Iona
La Salle
Long Island
Loyola Marymount
Loyola-Chicago
Loyola-Maryland
Manhattan
Marquette
Maryland-Eastern Shore
Mount Saint Mary's
City College of New York
NYU
Niagara
UNC-Asheville
Pacific
Pepperdine
Portland
Providence
Rider
Saint Bonaventure
St. Francis NY
St. Johns NY
Saint Joseph's
Saint Louis
St. Mary's, California
Saint Peter's
U. of San Francisco
Santa Clara
Seton Hall
Siena
Texas A&M-Corpus Christie
UTA
UTRGV
Vermont
Wichita State
Milwaukee
Xavier, Ohio
Alaska-Fairbanks
University of Baltimore former D1
Bradley
Brooklyn
California Baptist
CalTech
California State- Los Angeles
Cal-San Diego
Cameron
Colorado College
University of District Columbia
Fairleigh Dickinson University
Haskell Indian Nations University
Lake Superior State University
Morris Brown College about to close. School have less than 100 student enrolled.
University of Nebraska Omaha
University of North Georgia
Oakland University
Oklahoma City University
Phillips University now closed was a former SWC member
Saint Leo University
San Francisco State University
Sonoma State University
University of Tampa
Texas Wesleyan University would reinstate their football team this fall, formally played as a major college.
Case Western Reserve University now in D3
Western Washington University
Washburn was in MVC
West Texas A&M was in MVC
Sewanee
Trinity Texas
Southwestern Texas
Washington MO
Grinnell
Washington and Lee
Johns Hopkins
Carnegie Mellon
Bentley
Assumption
Colorado Mines
Regis
Metro State
Western State
American International College
Merrimack College
Northern Michigan University was a member of a D1 for all sports with Youngstown State and some MAC members from Michigan.
Michigan Technological University
Wayne State University
Eastern New Mexico University
Adelphi University
Le Moyne College
Mercy College
Winston–Salem State University
Cedarville University
Mercyhurst University
West Chester University of Pennsylvania
Erskine College
Angelo State University
Texas A&M University–Kingsville
Texas A&M University–Commerce
University of Charleston
Shepherd University
Birmingham–Southern College
California Lutheran University
Chapman University
Claremont–Mudd–Scripps three small colleges combined their football to form one team. ClareMont, Harvey Mudd and Scripps
University of La Verne
Occidental College
Pomona College and Pitzer College to form Pomona Pitzer
University of Redlands
Whittier College
The California D3 schools in that conference used to played against UCLA.
Trinity College Conn.
United States Coast Guard Academy
Wesleyan University
Catholic University of America
Gallaudet University
University of Chicago
Eureka College
Illinois College
Illinois Wesleyan University
Knox College
Lake Forest College Was asked to be co-founders of the Big 10.
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Coe College
Cornell College Iowa
Centre College
Thomas More College
Louisiana College
Mississippi College
Bates College
Bowdoin College
Colby College
Husson University
Maine Maritime Academy
Salisbury University
Amherst College
University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Massachusetts Maritime Academy
Springfield College
Wheaton College
Williams College
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester State University
Adrian College
Alma College
Hope College
Kalamazoo College
Olivet College
Gustavus Adolphus College
Hamline University
University of St. Thomas
Plymouth State University
Rowan University
Buffalo State College
Hartwick College[
Hobart
Ithaca College
Cortland State
New York Maritime
RPI
Merchant Marines
Utica College
Guilford College
Methodist University
Capital University
Heidelberg University
Oberlin College
College of Wooster
George Fox University
Linfield College
Pacific University Oregon
Willamette University
Albright College
Carnegie Mellon University
Dickinson College
Franklin & Marshall College[
Gettysburg College
Grove City College
Muhlenberg College
Swarthmore College
Ursinus College
Washington & Jefferson College
Salve Regina University
Maryville College
Rhodes College
Austin College
Sul Ross State University
Southwestern
Hardin-Simmons
Norwich University
Bridgewater College
Hampden–Sydney College
Randolph–Macon College
Roanoke College
Shenandoah University
Washington and Lee University
Pacific Lutheran University
University of Puget Sound
Whitman College
Carthage College
University of Wisconsin–La Crosse
University of Wisconsin–Oshkosh
University of Wisconsin–Whitewater
College of Idaho
Indiana Wesleyan University
Baker University
Friends University
Georgetown College
University of the Cumberlands
Union College
Union, Tenn.
Cumberland University
West Virginia University Institute of Technology
Wentworth Military Academy and College
Marion Military Institute
Georgia Military College
Mississippi Delta Community College
New Mexico Military Institute


These were all used to be D1 or considered major programs at one time. Were would they be now today?

Baker,Friends,Georgetown College,U of Cumberlands,Union College & Cumberland University are all NAIA schools.The last four play in the Mid-South Conference.Sewanee and Rhodes are D3.

yes, but Baker and Friends where co-founders of the very first all Kansas Conference in the 1890s with Kansas and Kansas State. Baker beat Kansas in the first ever college football game held in the state. The other 4 where also in the same conference with schools now in the Southern, ACC and SEC that was prior to before Southern Conference was formed. Both Sewanee and Rhodes were in the same exact conference. Sewanee was also a co-founder of the SEC before they left.
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RE: WV schools.

At one point about 10 years ago, Shepherd was looking at expanding the school from 4,000 enrollment to 13,000 and building a new stadium in the next 20-25 years that would have capacity for a FCS team. New administration didn't have the same vision, plus the politics in town (Shepherdstown has <1,000 year round residents with the majority of folks working in metro DC.) would have tied things up for years.

As far as WV Tech. They dropped football a few years back and are in the process of relocating their school to Beckley. If the school can draw more students there, at some point they might start football again, but even then, you're talking about D2 at best.
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(07-30-2018 07:43 AM)whittx Wrote:  RE: WV schools.

At one point about 10 years ago, Shepherd was looking at expanding the school from 4,000 enrollment to 13,000 and building a new stadium in the next 20-25 years that would have capacity for a FCS team. New administration didn't have the same vision, plus the politics in town (Shepherdstown has <1,000 year round residents with the majority of folks working in metro DC.) would have tied things up for years.

As far as WV Tech. They dropped football a few years back and are in the process of relocating their school to Beckley. If the school can draw more students there, at some point they might start football again, but even then, you're talking about D2 at best.


That old West Virginia D2 conference that folded a few years ago, was created before 1937. Both West Virginia and Marshall were members of that conference. Before the split, that West Virginia Conference would have been a major conference at that time. There were really not many. The conferences split and reformed a new conference when the first break when a group of NAIA schools went their separate ways in 1937. The first championships in NAIA began a few years later. The first split came about when college and university came about. That is when we lost a lot of several major football programs which are now D3, and several in D2 like the RMAC and Lone Star. Than when in the 1960s, they became D1, D2 and D3 which created a new division in between the small colleges and the large college and universities. Then 1978 another split between 1A and 1-AA. D1 could split another way to go 1-AAA for football with the 1AAA be non-scholarships for the Pioneer League and the likes. Even D3 can move up to join that Division. Somebody pointed out split FBS between the P5 and G5 which would be 4 D1 divisions. That would not be wise for number of reasons because the west coast and central plains will not have schools to be competitive with while the schools out east have the mass numbers in the P5. So, I say right now that the PAC 12 do have the lack of numbers when there is only one P5 conference out there compared to 4 P5 conferences on the east coast.
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(07-30-2018 08:22 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  [quote='whittx' pid='15404988' dateline='1532954590']
RE: WV schools.

At one point about 10 years ago, Shepherd was looking at expanding the school from 4,000 enrollment to 13,000 and building a new stadium in the next 20-25 years that would have capacity for a FCS team. New administration didn't have the same vision, plus the politics in town (Shepherdstown has <1,000 year round residents with the majority of folks working in metro DC.) would have tied things up for years.

As far as WV Tech. They dropped football a few years back and are in the process of relocating their school to Beckley. If the school can draw more students there, at some point they might start football again, but even then, you're talking about D2 at best.


That old West Virginia D2 conference that folded a few years ago, was created before 1937. Both West Virginia and Marshall were members of that conference. Before the split, that West Virginia Conference would have been a major conference at that time. There were really not many. The conferences split and reformed a new conference when the first break when a group of NAIA schools went their separate ways in 1937. The first championships in NAIA began a few years later. The first split came about when college and university came about. That is when we lost a lot of several major football programs which are now D3, and several in D2 like the RMAC and Lone Star. Than when in the 1960s, they became D1, D2 and D3 which created a new division in between the small colleges and the large college and universities. Then 1978 another split between 1A and 1-AA. D1 could split another way to go 1-AAA for football with the 1AAA be non-scholarships for the Pioneer League and the likes. Even D3 can move up to join that Division. Somebody pointed out split FBS between the P5 and G5 which would be 4 D1 divisions. That would not be wise for number of reasons because the west coast and central plains will not have schools to be competitive with while the schools out east have the mass numbers in the P5. So, I say right now that the PAC 12 do have the lack of numbers when there is only one P5 conference out there compared to 4 P5 conferences on the east coast.

But many of the D1AAA schools (Pioneer and Northeast Leagues) were playing D3 football until the NCAA required them to go D1 in the early 90's.
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(07-30-2018 08:22 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  [quote='whittx' pid='15404988' dateline='1532954590']
RE: WV schools.

At one point about 10 years ago, Shepherd was looking at expanding the school from 4,000 enrollment to 13,000 and building a new stadium in the next 20-25 years that would have capacity for a FCS team. New administration didn't have the same vision, plus the politics in town (Shepherdstown has <1,000 year round residents with the majority of folks working in metro DC.) would have tied things up for years.

As far as WV Tech. They dropped football a few years back and are in the process of relocating their school to Beckley. If the school can draw more students there, at some point they might start football again, but even then, you're talking about D2 at best.


That old West Virginia D2 conference that folded a few years ago, was created before 1937. Both West Virginia and Marshall were members of that conference. Before the split, that West Virginia Conference would have been a major conference at that time. There were really not many. The conferences split and reformed a new conference when the first break when a group of NAIA schools went their separate ways in 1937. The first championships in NAIA began a few years later. The first split came about when college and university came about. That is when we lost a lot of several major football programs which are now D3, and several in D2 like the RMAC and Lone Star. Than when in the 1960s, they became D1, D2 and D3 which created a new division in between the small colleges and the large college and universities. Then 1978 another split between 1A and 1-AA. D1 could split another way to go 1-AAA for football with the 1AAA be non-scholarships for the Pioneer League and the likes. Even D3 can move up to join that Division. Somebody pointed out split FBS between the P5 and G5 which would be 4 D1 divisions. That would not be wise for number of reasons because the west coast and central plains will not have schools to be competitive with while the schools out east have the mass numbers in the P5. So, I say right now that the PAC 12 do have the lack of numbers when there is only one P5 conference out there compared to 4 P5 conferences on the east coast.

But many of the D1AAA schools (Pioneer and Northeast Leagues) were playing D3 football until the NCAA required them to go D1 in the early 90's.
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(07-30-2018 08:22 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  [quote='whittx' pid='15404988' dateline='1532954590']
RE: WV schools.

At one point about 10 years ago, Shepherd was looking at expanding the school from 4,000 enrollment to 13,000 and building a new stadium in the next 20-25 years that would have capacity for a FCS team. New administration didn't have the same vision, plus the politics in town (Shepherdstown has <1,000 year round residents with the majority of folks working in metro DC.) would have tied things up for years.

As far as WV Tech. They dropped football a few years back and are in the process of relocating their school to Beckley. If the school can draw more students there, at some point they might start football again, but even then, you're talking about D2 at best.


That old West Virginia D2 conference that folded a few years ago, was created before 1937. Both West Virginia and Marshall were members of that conference. Before the split, that West Virginia Conference would have been a major conference at that time. There were really not many. The conferences split and reformed a new conference when the first break when a group of NAIA schools went their separate ways in 1937. The first championships in NAIA began a few years later. The first split came about when college and university came about. That is when we lost a lot of several major football programs which are now D3, and several in D2 like the RMAC and Lone Star. Than when in the 1960s, they became D1, D2 and D3 which created a new division in between the small colleges and the large college and universities. Then 1978 another split between 1A and 1-AA. D1 could split another way to go 1-AAA for football with the 1AAA be non-scholarships for the Pioneer League and the likes. Even D3 can move up to join that Division. Somebody pointed out split FBS between the P5 and G5 which would be 4 D1 divisions. That would not be wise for number of reasons because the west coast and central plains will not have schools to be competitive with while the schools out east have the mass numbers in the P5. So, I say right now that the PAC 12 do have the lack of numbers when there is only one P5 conference out there compared to 4 P5 conferences on the east coast.

But many of the D1AAA schools (Pioneer and Northeast Leagues) were playing D3 football until the NCAA required them to go D1 in the early 90's.
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(04-22-2017 08:08 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  if PC, Seton Hall, STJ and Nova all maintained FB would the BE ever have split? Would they have expanded to include West Virginia,Miami etc ? would BC and Syracuse still have left? Would Pitt have been invited? Likely PSU would have been. Would Rutgers and temple have said yes instead of no when first invited? If so , Nova and Seton Hall would not have been. Discuss

At the founding of the Big East, PC was the only non-football school. Seton Hall dropped in 1982, St. John's in 2002, leaving Villanova, Georgetown, and UConn in I-AA. Were it not for a generous Connecticut Legislature and the abandoned Pratt & Whitney facility, UConn would still be in CAA football and still playing basketball in the Big East.
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(04-22-2017 08:08 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  if PC, Seton Hall, STJ and Nova all maintained FB would the BE ever have split? Would they have expanded to include West Virginia,Miami etc ? would BC and Syracuse still have left? Would Pitt have been invited? Likely PSU would have been. Would Rutgers and temple have said yes instead of no when first invited? If so , Nova and Seton Hall would not have been. Discuss

At the founding of the Big East, PC was the only non-football school. Seton Hall dropped in 1982, St. John's in 2002, leaving Villanova, Georgetown, and UConn in I-AA. Were it not for a generous Connecticut Legislature and the abandoned Pratt & Whitney facility, UConn would still be in CAA football and still playing basketball in the Big East.
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