(04-21-2017 04:25 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:37 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  I like this. Gives me a bowl game option to attend as a neutral in DFW that isn't 1) Overpriced (Cotton Bowl), 2) disorganized and in a woefully outdated stadium (Heart of Dallas Bowl), or 3) benefitting TCU (Armed Forces Bowl)

lol....I live in Texas and have no idea where Frisco is. I'm probably not alone.

It's one of Dallas' many overgrown suburbs with amenities that confuses people on where exactly it is and why it isn't in Dallas or Fort Worth, such as what has happened to you.

It's The Woodlands, if the Texans practiced and the Dynamo played in The Woodlands.

(04-21-2017 03:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:42 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  What the heck. I thought the whole reason we started this bowl, is so it could become our showcase bowl and we would eventually get some decent opponents in there. At least that's what we were told.

THIS^THIS. 100% THIS!!!!!

I said it then and I'll say it now: your showcase bowl CAN NOT be a startup bowl in a baseball stadium.

For that matter, it also can not be a startup bowl in a soccer stadium. Or a football stadium. Your showcase bowl must have history.

I'm thinking... The Steak 'n Shake Frisco Melt Microwaveable Sandwiches Bowl.

Frisco, Texas is a REALLY weird place to host bowl game

(04-21-2017 03:04 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:21 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Isn't this one of our bowls?

@McMurphyESPN

Miami Beach Bowl leaving Miami after only 3 years. Bowl game likely headed to Frisco, Texas

Where the fug is Frisco, Texas?

Not on the beach.

havent the western schools been bitching about not enough bowls over there? what's the problem?

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(04-21-2017 03:28 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  So this year the bowl should be an AAC-West team vs. Arkansas State/UL-LAF right?

I was thinking more like the Bearcats v. Texas State. Would be a feather in the cap for your new head coach.

(04-21-2017 05:15 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  havent the western schools been bitching about not enough bowls over there? what's the problem?

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Haha....but I suppose there's Bowls for the AAC in Texas (Sun, Alamo, The Bowl games in Dallas, Houston, proposed Austin Bowl) or Louisiana (Independence, New Orleans) that were more in mind then this....Frisco Bowl came out of left field.

(04-21-2017 04:56 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:42 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  What the heck. I thought the whole reason we started this bowl, is so it could become our showcase bowl and we would eventually get some decent opponents in there. At least that's what we were told.

THIS^THIS. 100% THIS!!!!!

I said it then and I'll say it now: your showcase bowl CAN NOT be a startup bowl in a baseball stadium.

For that matter, it also can not be a startup bowl in a soccer stadium. Or a football stadium. Your showcase bowl must have history.

agree with you 100%. we just have to ride out this ****** bowl contacts and hope for something better next go around. same thing we are dealimg with on tv. I couldn't give a rat's butt about our bowls beyond the NY6.

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(04-21-2017 04:46 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 04:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:55 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:36 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Not surprising. The Miami Beach Bosik looked pathetic on TV. Nobody was ever there, and it was played in that circus of a baseball stadium. Should be a good match-up between high quality, evenly matched teams from the Sun Belt and MAC. Should be able to sell it out if any of the western teams are matched up agains a regional Sun Belt team.

I hope you are right, that will mean that the AAC isn't sending a team there in 17,18 and 19. Start a new Bowl between the MWC and AAC to take the place of Poinsetta and MBB Bowls openings.

MWC 1/2 vs AAC 1/2 every year in the Las Vegas Bowl is what should happen. It would be two top 30 teams with double digit wins every year.

USF beating a horrible Gamecock football team did little for them. Bowl games should be for teams with winning records.

Sad to have to disagree with you but we played before a larger crowd of SC fans at that bowl and got more press on it than when we played in MBB vs a better WKU squad. The sad reality is that a bowl vs a 6-6 P5 school will trump in fan support, tv coverage mist if not all games vs a G4 school

As for this bowl. I always liked the idea of the league showcasing and growing a bowl, but the problem was that Miami has failed in supporting even better bowls at better tv times before. It was a bad location with no AAC schools based there. it was basically driven by a USF alum that sold the city of Miami Beach even though bowl wasn't played there and the Marlins to support such a bowl. He left the MBB last year and the Marlins are up for sale so not surprised this bowl has moved on.

Fair enough if that is your opinion in your first paragraph.

Your second paragraph makes you sound like Hillary Clinton.

LOL. Maybe you should worry more about SDSU and the MWC. Let me know how that works when your highest team is playing a similar crappy PAC team.

And if you are going to troll by your last statement, you need to do much much better

(04-21-2017 04:38 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 04:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:55 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:36 PM)fanhood Wrote:  Not surprising. The Miami Beach Bosik looked pathetic on TV. Nobody was ever there, and it was played in that circus of a baseball stadium. Should be a good match-up between high quality, evenly matched teams from the Sun Belt and MAC. Should be able to sell it out if any of the western teams are matched up agains a regional Sun Belt team.

I hope you are right, that will mean that the AAC isn't sending a team there in 17,18 and 19. Start a new Bowl between the MWC and AAC to take the place of Poinsetta and MBB Bowls openings.

MWC 1/2 vs AAC 1/2 every year in the Las Vegas Bowl is what should happen. It would be two top 30 teams with double digit wins every year.

USF beating a horrible Gamecock football team did little for them. Bowl games should be for teams with winning records.

Sad to have to disagree with you but we played before a larger crowd of SC fans at that bowl and got more press on it than when we played in MBB vs a better WKU squad. The sad reality is that a bowl vs a 6-6 P5 school will trump in fan support, tv coverage mist if not all games vs a G4 school

As for this bowl. I always liked the idea of the league showcasing and growing a bowl, but the problem was that Miami has failed in supporting even better bowls at better tv times before. It was a bad location with no AAC schools based there. it was basically driven by a USF alum that sold the city of Miami Beach even though bowl wasn't played there and the Marlins to support such a bowl. He left the MBB last year and the Marlins are up for sale so not surprised this bowl has moved on.

Agree.

I don't mind when the MWC Champ plays the AAC #6 but no reason to commit our better teams. Those MWC games will always be there in a pinch.

Couldn't agree with you more, BigEastHomer

(04-21-2017 05:32 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 04:46 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 04:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:55 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I hope you are right, that will mean that the AAC isn't sending a team there in 17,18 and 19. Start a new Bowl between the MWC and AAC to take the place of Poinsetta and MBB Bowls openings.

MWC 1/2 vs AAC 1/2 every year in the Las Vegas Bowl is what should happen. It would be two top 30 teams with double digit wins every year.

USF beating a horrible Gamecock football team did little for them. Bowl games should be for teams with winning records.

Sad to have to disagree with you but we played before a larger crowd of SC fans at that bowl and got more press on it than when we played in MBB vs a better WKU squad. The sad reality is that a bowl vs a 6-6 P5 school will trump in fan support, tv coverage mist if not all games vs a G4 school

As for this bowl. I always liked the idea of the league showcasing and growing a bowl, but the problem was that Miami has failed in supporting even better bowls at better tv times before. It was a bad location with no AAC schools based there. it was basically driven by a USF alum that sold the city of Miami Beach even though bowl wasn't played there and the Marlins to support such a bowl. He left the MBB last year and the Marlins are up for sale so not surprised this bowl has moved on.

Fair enough if that is your opinion in your first paragraph.

Your second paragraph makes you sound like Hillary Clinton.

LOL. Maybe you should worry more about SDSU and the MWC. Let me know how that works when your highest team is playing a similar crappy PAC team.

And if you are going to troll by your last statement, you need to do much much better

I don't have to worry at all. I think it is safe to say we are set for a third straight double digit win season, victories of PAC opponents, and possible a championship. It will be tough though, Boise, CSU, and Wyoming will all be good. New Mexico is stout, and you guys know what Air Force can do.

I was just pointing out that you seemed to be making excuses, and reflecting.

But hey, I don't want to fight. I like USF. I think you guys are going to get the Access Bowl this year, as long as you go at least 12-1. Anything less than that, you probably won't, due to that schedule. I think 12-1 is realistic though.

(04-21-2017 05:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 05:15 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  havent the western schools been bitching about not enough bowls over there? what's the problem?

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Haha....but I suppose there's Bowls for the AAC in Texas (Sun, Alamo, The Bowl games in Dallas, Houston, proposed Austin Bowl) or Louisiana (Independence, New Orleans) that were more in mind then this....Frisco Bowl came out of left field.

Sun, Alamo, Cotton, Texas Bowl aren't letting us in. Armed Forces is a long shot. Austin Bowl is a bad idea as DKR stadium is too large (would be great if they had it at a 30k seat stadium, but "San Marcos Bowl" doesn't have much caché). NOLA bowl would be nice if we could get a decent opponent. I like the history of the Independence Bowl, but I'd rather spend time in Frisco than Shreveport.

(04-21-2017 05:41 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 05:32 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 04:46 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 04:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:55 PM)fanhood Wrote:  MWC 1/2 vs AAC 1/2 every year in the Las Vegas Bowl is what should happen. It would be two top 30 teams with double digit wins every year.

USF beating a horrible Gamecock football team did little for them. Bowl games should be for teams with winning records.

Sad to have to disagree with you but we played before a larger crowd of SC fans at that bowl and got more press on it than when we played in MBB vs a better WKU squad. The sad reality is that a bowl vs a 6-6 P5 school will trump in fan support, tv coverage mist if not all games vs a G4 school

As for this bowl. I always liked the idea of the league showcasing and growing a bowl, but the problem was that Miami has failed in supporting even better bowls at better tv times before. It was a bad location with no AAC schools based there. it was basically driven by a USF alum that sold the city of Miami Beach even though bowl wasn't played there and the Marlins to support such a bowl. He left the MBB last year and the Marlins are up for sale so not surprised this bowl has moved on.

Fair enough if that is your opinion in your first paragraph.

Your second paragraph makes you sound like Hillary Clinton.

LOL. Maybe you should worry more about SDSU and the MWC. Let me know how that works when your highest team is playing a similar crappy PAC team.

And if you are going to troll by your last statement, you need to do much much better

I don't have to worry at all. I think it is safe to say we are set for a third straight double digit win season, victories of PAC opponents, and possible a championship. It will be tough though, Boise, CSU, and Wyoming will all be good. New Mexico is stout, and you guys know what Air Force can do.

I was just pointing out that you seemed to be making excuses, and reflecting.

But hey, I don't want to fight. I like USF. I think you guys are going to get the Access Bowl this year, as long as you go at least 12-1. Anything less than that, you probably won't, due to that schedule. I think 12-1 is realistic though.

Wasn't making excuses. Those are facts we played before more SC fans at the Birmingham bowl than there were WKU fans at the Beach Bowl even though they were a better team. And is the fact that even your top team gets to play a so-so PAC team in your best bowl.
Are you going to try to tell me that if SDSU won the MWC most of your fans would be more excited about playing Western Michigan at 12-1 vs a 6-6 USC squad in the Vegas Bowl? Be honest you know the answer.

(04-21-2017 05:49 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 05:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 05:15 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  havent the western schools been bitching about not enough bowls over there? what's the problem?

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Haha....but I suppose there's Bowls for the AAC in Texas (Sun, Alamo, The Bowl games in Dallas, Houston, proposed Austin Bowl) or Louisiana (Independence, New Orleans) that were more in mind then this....Frisco Bowl came out of left field.

Sun, Alamo, Cotton, Texas Bowl aren't letting us in. Armed Forces is a long shot. Austin Bowl is a bad idea as DKR stadium is too large (would be great if they had it at a 30k seat stadium, but "San Marcos Bowl" doesn't have much caché). NOLA bowl would be nice if we could get a decent opponent. I like the history of the Independence Bowl, but I'd rather spend time in Frisco than Shreveport.

Oh no question that Frisco is nicer than Shreveport. The Independence Bowl is a much better bowl than the new Frisco Bowl is though. History and a bigger stadium. You do remember that this game is in what's been known as Pizza Hut Park.

(04-21-2017 05:58 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 05:49 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 05:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 05:15 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  havent the western schools been bitching about not enough bowls over there? what's the problem?

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Haha....but I suppose there's Bowls for the AAC in Texas (Sun, Alamo, The Bowl games in Dallas, Houston, proposed Austin Bowl) or Louisiana (Independence, New Orleans) that were more in mind then this....Frisco Bowl came out of left field.

Sun, Alamo, Cotton, Texas Bowl aren't letting us in. Armed Forces is a long shot. Austin Bowl is a bad idea as DKR stadium is too large (would be great if they had it at a 30k seat stadium, but "San Marcos Bowl" doesn't have much caché). NOLA bowl would be nice if we could get a decent opponent. I like the history of the Independence Bowl, but I'd rather spend time in Frisco than Shreveport.

Oh no question that Frisco is nicer than Shreveport. The Independence Bowl is a much better bowl than the new Frisco Bowl is though. History and a bigger stadium. You do remember that this game is in what's been known as Pizza Hut Park.

I am aware. I go to FC Dallas games there often. It's small for sure, but it will be adequate. At least it isn't a baseball stadium.

The MiamiBeach Bowl was idiotic from the start. Glad it is gone.

(04-21-2017 06:07 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  The MiamiBeach Bowl was idiotic from the start. Glad it is gone.

I miss the Liberty Bowl.

(04-21-2017 05:51 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 05:41 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 05:32 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 04:46 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 04:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Sad to have to disagree with you but we played before a larger crowd of SC fans at that bowl and got more press on it than when we played in MBB vs a better WKU squad. The sad reality is that a bowl vs a 6-6 P5 school will trump in fan support, tv coverage mist if not all games vs a G4 school

As for this bowl. I always liked the idea of the league showcasing and growing a bowl, but the problem was that Miami has failed in supporting even better bowls at better tv times before. It was a bad location with no AAC schools based there. it was basically driven by a USF alum that sold the city of Miami Beach even though bowl wasn't played there and the Marlins to support such a bowl. He left the MBB last year and the Marlins are up for sale so not surprised this bowl has moved on.

Fair enough if that is your opinion in your first paragraph.

Your second paragraph makes you sound like Hillary Clinton.

LOL. Maybe you should worry more about SDSU and the MWC. Let me know how that works when your highest team is playing a similar crappy PAC team.

And if you are going to troll by your last statement, you need to do much much better

I don't have to worry at all. I think it is safe to say we are set for a third straight double digit win season, victories of PAC opponents, and possible a championship. It will be tough though, Boise, CSU, and Wyoming will all be good. New Mexico is stout, and you guys know what Air Force can do.

I was just pointing out that you seemed to be making excuses, and reflecting.

But hey, I don't want to fight. I like USF. I think you guys are going to get the Access Bowl this year, as long as you go at least 12-1. Anything less than that, you probably won't, due to that schedule. I think 12-1 is realistic though.

Wasn't making excuses. Those are facts we played before more SC fans at the Birmingham bowl than there were WKU fans at the Beach Bowl even though they were a better team. And is the fact that even your top team gets to play a so-so PAC team in your best bowl.
Are you going to try to tell me that if SDSU won the MWC most of your fans would be more excited about playing Western Michigan at 12-1 vs a 6-6 USC squad in the Vegas Bowl? Be honest you know the answer.

Bad comparison. The University of Southern California is the gold standard (fairly or unfairly) of College Football to many people out west. They have history, tradition, success, prestige, money, etc. Furthermore, they now refuse to play SDSU, whereas most every other Pac 12 team does. Of course, SDSU fans would want to play the University of Southern California, just as fans of the University of South Florida would like to play and beat a 6-6 Florida team.

However, SDSU fans would not rather play a 6-6 Oregon State team, when they could play a 12-1 ranked Western Michigan, ULL, Houston, North Texas. Just as you should not rather play a 6-6 South Carolina or Wake Forest when you could play those same teams. Trust me, South Carolina is garbage, with little prestige, tradition, or history of success. Before the three-year Spurrier stretch, South Carolina had George Rodgers, and...........an ok stadium with good crowds. Thats it.

(04-21-2017 03:27 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Take off the tin hats...

The AAC shouldn't own a bowl game. We can't risk any losses that easily can happen in bowl games. We can't afford buying an opponent either. Espn wasn't really nice with our time slot. Very small crowds can travel on a workday.

Then you move it to a stadium of a conference member---and move it to another network that doesn't have 38 other bowls to plan around. Unless we were promised a slot in a Liberty/Gator/Texas level bowl game in exchange for ownership of the bowl---then this was a colossally dumb move.