(04-21-2017 11:40 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:21 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:35 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 06:03 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  If we had free tuition for all it would take care of all.

Who's footin' the bill?

Society at large. How do we fund parks, roads, military? It would be the same. By free I mean free at the point of use, it would cost, but the cost would be born by society as a whole.

There are a lot of costs to society by not having college be much more affordable.

Do you mean the parks that shut down last year due to the government shutdown, the roads that are riddled with potholes and cracks, and the military that isn't even allowed to have fireworks on the 4th of July? Do you really want to put the government in charge of college tuition? We are over $19 trillion dollars in debt as a country, I think the government has provided enough reasons as to why we shouldn't give them any more money than we already have to. Plus raising taxes always makes people happy.

By free you mean why should I pay for my education when I can have the government force my neighbor to do it.

I don't agree with your analysis. Sure those problems did occur, but that is not a guarantee that it MUST happen. Given the right political office holders there is NO need to have the country be in that sort of situation with parks being closed and such.

It is very easy to run something into the ground, it does take hard work and dedication to make something like I propose work but it can be done. It would help to have higher-ups that are setting policy actually care about the programs they are running and not trying to run them into the ground, which has been the case off and on for many decades. But if other countries can do it, I think we can to in this country. And other countries are doing it.

(04-22-2017 09:23 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:21 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:35 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 06:03 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  If we had free tuition for all it would take care of all.

Who's footin' the bill?

Society at large. How do we fund parks, roads, military? It would be the same. By free I mean free at the point of use, it would cost, but the cost would be born by society as a whole.

There are a lot of costs to society by not having college be much more affordable.

Society pays enough as-is for government programs.

I don't think you understand the economics of free college tuition. There are over 4,100 colleges/universities in the US. The national average cost of just ONE credit hour is $594 (among all 4-year and 2-year institutions). That's approximately $2.4 million just to pay for one credit hour for one person at each school.

At WKU alone, based on the 19,640 undergrads there​, the government would shell out $11.7 mllion just to pay for one credit hour for all 19,640 undergrads based on the $594/per hour average.

Free college is not feasible by any stretch. Even Hillary Clinton said it's not possible.

Of course a free-trade economic conservative in Democratic clothes would say this. And she is wrong. There is no question there would need to be a change in budget priorities. And it would mean cuts in other areas along with changes in tax policy. But that is something that can and should be done.

I get that slavery and segregation descendant African-American's face a lot of issues particularly in the South in terms of education, but of those many issues I think college tuition costs are a bit less troubling. High school graduation rates are well less than 50% in some of the healthier school districts in the South. If public school systems are failing to prepare the majority of these kids for college, how does free college tuition help solve the overall problem. Wouldn't that money be better served further developing the primary and secondary school systems?

(04-22-2017 09:51 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  McLeansvilleAppFan...

Everyone should be entitled to an education (we do that already through tax payer funded public schools).

Everyone should have access to higher education (we do that already through low cost community college).

Access does not mean free. Access means access. If everyone has a college degree then a college degree ceases to mean anything.

I got
twitter.com/DieselOnRadio

I never said everyone needs a college degree. I also do not agree with the attitude that "I got mine to heck with everyone else" that your comment is implying at some level.

I do think for those deserving admittance into college the costs need to be lower, much lower, at the point of service. To think access is really there for large populations is not facing reality.

The amount of debt current students are taking on is going to hurt the economy in the long term. If graduates are paying off student loans they are not spending money on mortgages or other goods and services.

(04-21-2017 09:43 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  I haven't posted in over a year, but I had to break the silence to talk to everybody here about a little something called Public Relations.

Dr. Gary Ransdell (1997-2017) is arguably the best president in WKU history.

He practically doubled enrollment, beautified the campus and oversaw 2 separate ranked sports programs. 6 years before he took office our football team was on the brink of being axed. Talk to Toppers who lived through that and ask them what they think of the state of our program now.

He was the president behind our first Doctoral program, he built a campus nondenominational chapel, alumni center, international center, he renovated all the major sports venues, built parking garages, worked to eradicate "suitcase culture" and got us to the Sweet 16. He discovered 4 amazing AD's one after the other. Seriously, just visit the campus. Then imagine it with a giant road running through Centennial Mall with all the cherry blossoms that didn't exist.

Most importantly, and relevantly, he fervently supported WKU's Student Government Association.

Under his watch, he grew the SGA powers to heights previously unimagined. I was a Student Senator and he came to several sessions. He had plenty of fans. Senators from my active semesters were allowed to create institutions that exist to this day and have an active voice in the university senate. Every major housing and dining decision in recent memory has had active SGA influence. He understood that without the students he would be out of a job.

Dr. Ransdell is a man who, just like any man has friends and enemies. But SGA lives squarely in the friend department.

So the SGA, in Ransdell's last semester as president after 20 amazing years-- a month left in school-- proposes and passes a resolution so stuck in the 90's that it creates an internet sensation and turns itself into instant clickbait. I don't know if you all remember "goatgate" but WKU knows how to make the news. We have an independent student-originated and ran (at least when I was there) PR firm that goes back 15 years and it was worth every penny.

This is to say nothing of the city of Bowling Green, which entered into a downtown redevelopment plan that has reinvented the city and it's core business district. The WKU science research center in the old Big Lots links the research farm to the south campus to the main campus, creating an investment and research artery that cuts through the city, creating private investment and spawning countless small businesses.

Chances are Ransdell has bigger plans after he retires from WKU. Chances are a national platform to discuss a hot-button issue such as race relations in America is a good place to start.

My money is on SGA giving Ransdell a sweet parting gift with a big bow and ribbon on top.

From my perspective, it looks like a lot of people fell for good ol' fashioned P.R...

Good news, bad news, at least we're in the news. Y'all heard about our '17 recruiting class?

I wish all Sun Belt members, and all G5 teams, all the success next season and every season. We're all in this together.

Are you suggesting that the SGA did this as a favor to help the retiring President in finding his next job and also did it to bring attention to the school?

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

So, Joe Taxpayer should foot yet another in an ever growing mountain of entitlements? Why don't we just throw shackles on that section of the hard working middle class that makes just enough to not qualify for subsidies but barely enough to pay for everyone else's right for a free education, welfare, and health coverage - which already borders the cost of a home mortgage (for those that pay). Or, maybe we should all just quit our jobs, sit at home and watch Netflix. All we need to do is print more money.

(04-22-2017 11:08 AM)CCUBrad Wrote:  I get that slavery and segregation descendant African-American's face a lot of issues particularly in the South in terms of education, but of those many issues I think college tuition costs are a bit less troubling. High school graduation rates are well less than 50% in some of the healthier school districts in the South. If public school systems are failing to prepare the majority of these kids for college, how does free college tuition help solve the overall problem. Wouldn't that money be better served further developing the primary and secondary school systems?

The South actually has the least segregated school districts today.

(04-22-2017 11:11 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  I also do not agree with the attitude that "I got mine to heck with everyone else" that your comment is implying at some level.

Not what I said. Please try to avoid putting words in people's mouths. It's rude. My point was, 30-40 years ago a college degree nearly guaranteed you a job upon graduation because it was fairly uncommon. Today it gets you an interview. If everyone has a degree it won't mean anything at all.


twitter.com/DieselOnRadio

(04-22-2017 09:23 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:21 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:35 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 06:03 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  If we had free tuition for all it would take care of all.

Who's footin' the bill?

Society at large. How do we fund parks, roads, military? It would be the same. By free I mean free at the point of use, it would cost, but the cost would be born by society as a whole.

There are a lot of costs to society by not having college be much more affordable.

Society pays enough as-is for government programs.

I don't think you understand the economics of free college tuition. There are over 4,100 colleges/universities in the US. The national average cost of just ONE credit hour is $594 (among all 4-year and 2-year institutions). That's approximately $2.4 million just to pay for one credit hour for one person at each school.

At WKU alone, based on the 19,640 undergrads there​, the government would shell out $11.7 mllion just to pay for one credit hour for all 19,640 undergrads based on the $594/per hour average.

Free college is not feasible by any stretch. Even Hillary Clinton said it's not possible.

Many forget the fact that Hillary started out as a Republican - was even a paid GOP staffer at one point. I'm not sure if she's still there but she has been a Director for Walmart for decades too. All one has to do is listen to her to learn she is and always has been an incognito hawkish, economic conservative Republican at heart.

(04-22-2017 01:00 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 11:08 AM)CCUBrad Wrote:  I get that slavery and segregation descendant African-American's face a lot of issues particularly in the South in terms of education, but of those many issues I think college tuition costs are a bit less troubling. High school graduation rates are well less than 50% in some of the healthier school districts in the South. If public school systems are failing to prepare the majority of these kids for college, how does free college tuition help solve the overall problem. Wouldn't that money be better served further developing the primary and secondary school systems?

The South actually has the least segregated school districts today.

Not really sure what your point is. That has much more to do with urbanization and general demographics across the country than any serious effort or desire to promote diversity. If you're suggesting that public education in the South is okay and couldn't be improved, then I'd gladly take you for ride through SC's "corridor of shame."

(04-22-2017 11:02 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:40 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:21 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:35 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 06:03 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  If we had free tuition for all it would take care of all.

Who's footin' the bill?

Society at large. How do we fund parks, roads, military? It would be the same. By free I mean free at the point of use, it would cost, but the cost would be born by society as a whole.

There are a lot of costs to society by not having college be much more affordable.

Do you mean the parks that shut down last year due to the government shutdown, the roads that are riddled with potholes and cracks, and the military that isn't even allowed to have fireworks on the 4th of July? Do you really want to put the government in charge of college tuition? We are over $19 trillion dollars in debt as a country, I think the government has provided enough reasons as to why we shouldn't give them any more money than we already have to. Plus raising taxes always makes people happy.

By free you mean why should I pay for my education when I can have the government force my neighbor to do it.

I don't agree with your analysis. Sure those problems did occur, but that is not a guarantee that it MUST happen. Given the right political office holders there is NO need to have the country be in that sort of situation with parks being closed and such.

It is very easy to run something into the ground, it does take hard work and dedication to make something like I propose work but it can be done. It would help to have higher-ups that are setting policy actually care about the programs they are running and not trying to run them into the ground, which has been the case off and on for many decades. But if other countries can do it, I think we can to in this country. And other countries are doing it.

Sure other countries are doing it but that doesn't mean that we can do it. There are a lot of differences between those countries and America. First off, most of those countries, especially the European countries, have lower enrollment percentages than we do in America. Secondly, those countries have higher taxes than us. And lastly, free education is not a right and the government has no right to make me pay for someone else's education.

(04-22-2017 02:34 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 11:11 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  I also do not agree with the attitude that "I got mine to heck with everyone else" that your comment is implying at some level.

Not what I said. Please try to avoid putting words in people's mouths. It's rude. My point was, 30-40 years ago a college degree nearly guaranteed you a job upon graduation because it was fairly uncommon. Today it gets you an interview. If everyone has a degree it won't mean anything at all.


twitter.com/DieselOnRadio

And 60-70 years ago a high school diploma nearly guaranteed you a job upon graduation... The world isn't the same. It's simple supply and demand. We're competing against more industrialized countries, some like Korea and Japan who benefit from U.S. subsidized and stationed military. I don't see how you can think that a more educated percentage of the population would somehow be bad for the country or the economy here at home...

(04-22-2017 05:23 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 11:02 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:40 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:21 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:35 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Who's footin' the bill?

Society at large. How do we fund parks, roads, military? It would be the same. By free I mean free at the point of use, it would cost, but the cost would be born by society as a whole.

There are a lot of costs to society by not having college be much more affordable.

Do you mean the parks that shut down last year due to the government shutdown, the roads that are riddled with potholes and cracks, and the military that isn't even allowed to have fireworks on the 4th of July? Do you really want to put the government in charge of college tuition? We are over $19 trillion dollars in debt as a country, I think the government has provided enough reasons as to why we shouldn't give them any more money than we already have to. Plus raising taxes always makes people happy.

By free you mean why should I pay for my education when I can have the government force my neighbor to do it.

I don't agree with your analysis. Sure those problems did occur, but that is not a guarantee that it MUST happen. Given the right political office holders there is NO need to have the country be in that sort of situation with parks being closed and such.

It is very easy to run something into the ground, it does take hard work and dedication to make something like I propose work but it can be done. It would help to have higher-ups that are setting policy actually care about the programs they are running and not trying to run them into the ground, which has been the case off and on for many decades. But if other countries can do it, I think we can to in this country. And other countries are doing it.

Sure other countries are doing it but that doesn't mean that we can do it. There are a lot of differences between those countries and America. First off, most of those countries, especially the European countries, have lower enrollment percentages than we do in America. Secondly, those countries have higher taxes than us. And lastly, free education is not a right and the government has no right to make me pay for someone else's education.

What state do you live in to avoid doing this?

(04-21-2017 10:46 PM)panama Wrote:  People act like they were never 18 on a college campus. LOL. Nothing to see here.

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk

Nobody I knew at 18 was this nuts.

Sent from my XT1254 using CSNbbs mobile app

(04-22-2017 01:00 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 11:08 AM)CCUBrad Wrote:  I get that slavery and segregation descendant African-American's face a lot of issues particularly in the South in terms of education, but of those many issues I think college tuition costs are a bit less troubling. High school graduation rates are well less than 50% in some of the healthier school districts in the South. If public school systems are failing to prepare the majority of these kids for college, how does free college tuition help solve the overall problem. Wouldn't that money be better served further developing the primary and secondary school systems?

The South actually has the least segregated school districts today.

Exactly.

Sent from my XT1254 using CSNbbs mobile app

(04-22-2017 07:30 PM)CCUBrad Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 02:34 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 11:11 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  I also do not agree with the attitude that "I got mine to heck with everyone else" that your comment is implying at some level.

Not what I said. Please try to avoid putting words in people's mouths. It's rude. My point was, 30-40 years ago a college degree nearly guaranteed you a job upon graduation because it was fairly uncommon. Today it gets you an interview. If everyone has a degree it won't mean anything at all.


twitter.com/DieselOnRadio

And 60-70 years ago a high school diploma nearly guaranteed you a job upon graduation... The world isn't the same. It's simple supply and demand. We're competing against more industrialized countries, some like Korea and Japan who benefit from U.S. subsidized and stationed military. I don't see how you can think that a more educated percentage of the population would somehow be bad for the country or the economy here at home...

(04-22-2017 05:23 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 11:02 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:40 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:21 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  Society at large. How do we fund parks, roads, military? It would be the same. By free I mean free at the point of use, it would cost, but the cost would be born by society as a whole.

There are a lot of costs to society by not having college be much more affordable.

Do you mean the parks that shut down last year due to the government shutdown, the roads that are riddled with potholes and cracks, and the military that isn't even allowed to have fireworks on the 4th of July? Do you really want to put the government in charge of college tuition? We are over $19 trillion dollars in debt as a country, I think the government has provided enough reasons as to why we shouldn't give them any more money than we already have to. Plus raising taxes always makes people happy.

By free you mean why should I pay for my education when I can have the government force my neighbor to do it.

I don't agree with your analysis. Sure those problems did occur, but that is not a guarantee that it MUST happen. Given the right political office holders there is NO need to have the country be in that sort of situation with parks being closed and such.

It is very easy to run something into the ground, it does take hard work and dedication to make something like I propose work but it can be done. It would help to have higher-ups that are setting policy actually care about the programs they are running and not trying to run them into the ground, which has been the case off and on for many decades. But if other countries can do it, I think we can to in this country. And other countries are doing it.

Sure other countries are doing it but that doesn't mean that we can do it. There are a lot of differences between those countries and America. First off, most of those countries, especially the European countries, have lower enrollment percentages than we do in America. Secondly, those countries have higher taxes than us. And lastly, free education is not a right and the government has no right to make me pay for someone else's education.

What state do you live in to avoid doing this?

I'm not saying that the government doesn't use some of our tax money to pay for education. However, free education is not a right guaranteed by our Constitution. I don't think many people mind having some of our tax money go towards education but I also don't think that many people want our taxes raised to pay for "free" college tuition.

(04-22-2017 02:34 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 11:11 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  I also do not agree with the attitude that "I got mine to heck with everyone else" that your comment is implying at some level.

Not what I said. Please try to avoid putting words in people's mouths. It's rude. My point was, 30-40 years ago a college degree nearly guaranteed you a job upon graduation because it was fairly uncommon. Today it gets you an interview. If everyone has a degree it won't mean anything at all.


twitter.com/DieselOnRadio

It may not be what you said directly. But rude or not, you are implying, and have done so twice that you do not care for the competition or the possible devaluing of your degree by having more people have a degree. I stand by my interpretation of what you are trying to say, even if you may not be aware of what you are communicating to others.

(04-22-2017 02:58 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 09:23 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:21 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:35 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 06:03 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  If we had free tuition for all it would take care of all.

Who's footin' the bill?

Society at large. How do we fund parks, roads, military? It would be the same. By free I mean free at the point of use, it would cost, but the cost would be born by society as a whole.

There are a lot of costs to society by not having college be much more affordable.

Society pays enough as-is for government programs.

I don't think you understand the economics of free college tuition. There are over 4,100 colleges/universities in the US. The national average cost of just ONE credit hour is $594 (among all 4-year and 2-year institutions). That's approximately $2.4 million just to pay for one credit hour for one person at each school.

At WKU alone, based on the 19,640 undergrads there​, the government would shell out $11.7 mllion just to pay for one credit hour for all 19,640 undergrads based on the $594/per hour average.

Free college is not feasible by any stretch. Even Hillary Clinton said it's not possible.

Many forget the fact that Hillary started out as a Republican - was even a paid GOP staffer at one point. I'm not sure if she's still there but she has been a Director for Walmart for decades too. All one has to do is listen to her to learn she is and always has been an incognito hawkish, economic conservative Republican at heart.

Her being a Republican in the early 60's though doesn't relate very much to now though. Both parties have completely changed since then.

(04-22-2017 05:23 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 11:02 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:40 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:21 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:35 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Who's footin' the bill?

Society at large. How do we fund parks, roads, military? It would be the same. By free I mean free at the point of use, it would cost, but the cost would be born by society as a whole.

There are a lot of costs to society by not having college be much more affordable.

Do you mean the parks that shut down last year due to the government shutdown, the roads that are riddled with potholes and cracks, and the military that isn't even allowed to have fireworks on the 4th of July? Do you really want to put the government in charge of college tuition? We are over $19 trillion dollars in debt as a country, I think the government has provided enough reasons as to why we shouldn't give them any more money than we already have to. Plus raising taxes always makes people happy.

By free you mean why should I pay for my education when I can have the government force my neighbor to do it.

I don't agree with your analysis. Sure those problems did occur, but that is not a guarantee that it MUST happen. Given the right political office holders there is NO need to have the country be in that sort of situation with parks being closed and such.

It is very easy to run something into the ground, it does take hard work and dedication to make something like I propose work but it can be done. It would help to have higher-ups that are setting policy actually care about the programs they are running and not trying to run them into the ground, which has been the case off and on for many decades. But if other countries can do it, I think we can to in this country. And other countries are doing it.

Sure other countries are doing it but that doesn't mean that we can do it. There are a lot of differences between those countries and America. First off, most of those countries, especially the European countries, have lower enrollment percentages than we do in America. Secondly, those countries have higher taxes than us. And lastly, free education is not a right and the government has no right to make me pay for someone else's education.

Here is Article 9 Sec 9 of North Carolina's Constitution.
"Sec. 9. Benefits of public institutions of higher education.
The General Assembly shall provide that the benefits of The University of North Carolina and other public institutions of higher education, as far as practicable, be extended to the people of the State free of expense."

Sounds to me like an endorsement of free. Personally I don't think we are anywhere near the, "as far as practicable." and could go a lot further in making higher ed free for North Carolina residents.

(04-22-2017 08:21 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 07:30 PM)CCUBrad Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 02:34 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 11:11 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  I also do not agree with the attitude that "I got mine to heck with everyone else" that your comment is implying at some level.

Not what I said. Please try to avoid putting words in people's mouths. It's rude. My point was, 30-40 years ago a college degree nearly guaranteed you a job upon graduation because it was fairly uncommon. Today it gets you an interview. If everyone has a degree it won't mean anything at all.


twitter.com/DieselOnRadio

And 60-70 years ago a high school diploma nearly guaranteed you a job upon graduation... The world isn't the same. It's simple supply and demand. We're competing against more industrialized countries, some like Korea and Japan who benefit from U.S. subsidized and stationed military. I don't see how you can think that a more educated percentage of the population would somehow be bad for the country or the economy here at home...

(04-22-2017 05:23 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 11:02 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:40 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  Do you mean the parks that shut down last year due to the government shutdown, the roads that are riddled with potholes and cracks, and the military that isn't even allowed to have fireworks on the 4th of July? Do you really want to put the government in charge of college tuition? We are over $19 trillion dollars in debt as a country, I think the government has provided enough reasons as to why we shouldn't give them any more money than we already have to. Plus raising taxes always makes people happy.

By free you mean why should I pay for my education when I can have the government force my neighbor to do it.

I don't agree with your analysis. Sure those problems did occur, but that is not a guarantee that it MUST happen. Given the right political office holders there is NO need to have the country be in that sort of situation with parks being closed and such.

It is very easy to run something into the ground, it does take hard work and dedication to make something like I propose work but it can be done. It would help to have higher-ups that are setting policy actually care about the programs they are running and not trying to run them into the ground, which has been the case off and on for many decades. But if other countries can do it, I think we can to in this country. And other countries are doing it.

Sure other countries are doing it but that doesn't mean that we can do it. There are a lot of differences between those countries and America. First off, most of those countries, especially the European countries, have lower enrollment percentages than we do in America. Secondly, those countries have higher taxes than us. And lastly, free education is not a right and the government has no right to make me pay for someone else's education.

What state do you live in to avoid doing this?

I'm not saying that the government doesn't use some of our tax money to pay for education. However, free education is not a right guaranteed by our Constitution. I don't think many people mind having some of our tax money go towards education but I also don't think that many people want our taxes raised to pay for "free" college tuition.

I'm not trying to be excessively argumentative or anything I'm just a little surprised at the poster's here bashing these kids for having an idea. This isn't a bad idea for an 18 year old kid to have considering their lack of experiences and the possibilities of the other ideas that goes through their heads. If my teenage child asked me the simple question, "Dad, why don't we publicly finance black education to make up for the sin of slavery?" I'd at least sit him/her down and impart some history and political thought before responding flatly, as some here have suggested, with how foolish the idea is. Good parents often teach extending a helpful hand in response to committing a "wrong", so this whole thought process could be viewed as a naive and innocent attempt at extending a similarly helpful hand. Not as some movement of our youth to destroy America from within. In truth, if this effort was aimed towards all underprivileged instead of all descendants of slaves or had they excluded the "reparation" word that so many people (especially white southerners) despise, this thread probably wouldn't be here and their proposal wouldn't have generated much debate at all.

I'm also confused at the whole argument over education not being a constitutional right. You're already paying taxes to provide free education to underprivileged children, and unless I'm mistaken public education is the largest of most state expenditures... So... this whole proposal is just an extension of that... to include state funded colleges and universities. If it's unconstitutional then why are you already doing it? because it's not...

(04-22-2017 08:52 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 05:23 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 11:02 AM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:40 PM)CheckYosef94 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:21 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  Society at large. How do we fund parks, roads, military? It would be the same. By free I mean free at the point of use, it would cost, but the cost would be born by society as a whole.

There are a lot of costs to society by not having college be much more affordable.

Do you mean the parks that shut down last year due to the government shutdown, the roads that are riddled with potholes and cracks, and the military that isn't even allowed to have fireworks on the 4th of July? Do you really want to put the government in charge of college tuition? We are over $19 trillion dollars in debt as a country, I think the government has provided enough reasons as to why we shouldn't give them any more money than we already have to. Plus raising taxes always makes people happy.

By free you mean why should I pay for my education when I can have the government force my neighbor to do it.

I don't agree with your analysis. Sure those problems did occur, but that is not a guarantee that it MUST happen. Given the right political office holders there is NO need to have the country be in that sort of situation with parks being closed and such.

It is very easy to run something into the ground, it does take hard work and dedication to make something like I propose work but it can be done. It would help to have higher-ups that are setting policy actually care about the programs they are running and not trying to run them into the ground, which has been the case off and on for many decades. But if other countries can do it, I think we can to in this country. And other countries are doing it.

Sure other countries are doing it but that doesn't mean that we can do it. There are a lot of differences between those countries and America. First off, most of those countries, especially the European countries, have lower enrollment percentages than we do in America. Secondly, those countries have higher taxes than us. And lastly, free education is not a right and the government has no right to make me pay for someone else's education.

Here is Article 9 Sec 9 of North Carolina's Constitution.
"Sec. 9. Benefits of public institutions of higher education.
The General Assembly shall provide that the benefits of The University of North Carolina and other public institutions of higher education, as far as practicable, be extended to the people of the State free of expense."

Sounds to me like an endorsement of free. Personally I don't think we are anywhere near the, "as far as practicable." and could go a lot further in making higher ed free for North Carolina residents.

Let's start at square one here. You keep using the word "free." You say you want "free" higher education for NC residents but how are you going to get everyone who works in higher education to go without a paycheck? Unless you don't truly mean free. Free means that there would be no cost but you and I both know that nothing in life is free. Someone somewhere is going to be paying. Wanting "free" tuition is a very noble cause but it's just not feasible. I'm assuming that by saying "free" you really mean that you want the tax payers to pay for it. In which case it isn't really free. I don't think that someone who isn't in college or doesn't have children in college should be required to pay for my college. Raising taxes so that we can have "free" tuition is not practicable. People tend to get upset when they have to pay more money. They wont stand by and just let their taxes go up. They will protest, vote, and ultimately the "free" tuition would come to an end.