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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
(04-21-2017 07:14 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 07:11 PM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  They're just lucky that Belmont doesn't want to leave.

Murray State is the better add than Belmont by far.

I'd prefer Belmont as my number one choice, but the OVC would be in trouble if both teams left.
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(04-21-2017 07:14 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 07:11 PM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  They're just lucky that Belmont doesn't want to leave.

Murray State is the better add than Belmont by far.
Has your source mentioned anything on #12?

Looks like Murray >90% & Valpo >50% giving MVC 11.

A lot of mystery surrounding #12. Will they stay at 11? That's easily the best move. But it seems Wright St/NKU/UIC/UWM/UNO/UMKC/UTA all have some semblance of smoke.
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
(04-21-2017 10:30 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 07:14 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 07:11 PM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  They're just lucky that Belmont doesn't want to leave.

Murray State is the better add than Belmont by far.
Has your source mentioned anything on #12?

Looks like Murray >90% & Valpo >50% giving MVC 11.

A lot of mystery surrounding #12. Will they stay at 11? That's easily the best move. But it seems Wright St/NKU/UIC/UWM/UNO/UMKC/UTA all have some semblance of smoke.

My source said 8 schools on the list in no order:
Saint Louis
Murray State
Valpo
Milwaukee
UTA
Omaha
UIC
Belmont
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
(04-21-2017 10:54 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 10:30 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 07:14 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 07:11 PM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  They're just lucky that Belmont doesn't want to leave.

Murray State is the better add than Belmont by far.
Has your source mentioned anything on #12?

Looks like Murray >90% & Valpo >50% giving MVC 11.

A lot of mystery surrounding #12. Will they stay at 11? That's easily the best move. But it seems Wright St/NKU/UIC/UWM/UNO/UMKC/UTA all have some semblance of smoke.

My source said 8 schools on the list in no order:
Saint Louis
Murray State
Valpo
Milwaukee
UTA
Omaha
UIC
Belmont

It's worth noting no UMKC.

Omaha I'm not seeing it as its almost as far west as the Dakota schools.
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
Valpo and Murray would say yes in a heartbeat.

St. Louis and Belmont I can't see accepting an invite. Belmont has already sent signals about issues of scholarship requirements and travel. St. Louis is in a better deal with the A10, and the MVC would be a step down, although from a travel standpoint it is better. But most important it would signal the Billikins are throwing in the towel at ever getting in the Big East, saying they are the same level as LUC, Valpo, and Evansville, not in the same league as Marquette, Butler, and Creighton ... I can't see them doing that. From the Valley stand point the red flags are the post Majerus era, the last three years the RPI has been 240, 204, 271; a disaster. A move from the 3 bid A10 to the 1 bid MVC would be akin to UMKC insanity in moving to the WAC -- is everyone in Missouri susceptible to sudden bouts of temporary insanity?

Omaha (216) and Milwaukee (224) are RPI anchors. Arlington is an interesting choice. They did have an RPI of 45 last year, but it's perhaps an outlier as they average 133 the last five years. But if you throw out 2016-17 as a one off, their previous five years averaged 177 RPI, making them a huge risk. But Arlington is a bigger Texas market/recruiting zone. Intriguing, and even possible as the SBC is not a Basketball conference.

The list seems to indicate markets and some wishful thinking are involved. My take away is the Valley has not come to a hard decision, and is going through an evaluation process. I am not convinced they go to 12, since that means saying good bye to round robin, and nixing the concept of a 10th home game (needed revenue for schools).
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Going to Texas seems crazy fora bus league. If they want to jump to 12 having a bottom feeder after valpo and m state isn't a bad idea since everybody can't win. I like Umkc since they play in a historic arena and bring a big close market. From that list, I guess you go with valpo, msu, and Uic to double down in Chicago
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No Dakota schools on the list, as we all thought.

Music to my ears. 04-rock
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
As crazy as it sounds, I think the OVC should take a chance on IUPUI. I'm sure most of the league has a number of alumni in Indianapolis (especially Eastern Illinois, Eastern Kentucky, and Morehead State). Indianapolis is roughly the same distance form Nashville as Morehead, KY. Austin Peay's ability to bus to Indianapolis will improve as more of Interstate 69 is finished in Indiana. Indianapolis, of course, is also a large media market, and would give the OVC better balance to its TV partners than being so Nashville-centric. Indiana is also excellent grounds for recruiting in basketball.
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(04-22-2017 10:00 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  As crazy as it sounds, I think the OVC should take a chance on IUPUI. I'm sure most of the league has a number of alumni in Indianapolis (especially Eastern Illinois, Eastern Kentucky, and Morehead State). Indianapolis is roughly the same distance form Nashville as Morehead, KY. Austin Peay's ability to bus to Indianapolis will improve as more of Interstate 69 is finished in Indiana. Indianapolis, of course, is also a large media market, and would give the OVC better balance to its TV partners than being so Nashville-centric. Indiana is also excellent grounds for recruiting in basketball.

There is some chatter on the Horizon thread that Morehead might be a target for the Horizon. Maybe Indy would be too?
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(04-22-2017 09:46 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Going to Texas seems crazy fora bus league. If they want to jump to 12 having a bottom feeder after valpo and m state isn't a bad idea since everybody can't win. I like Umkc since they play in a historic arena and bring a big close market. From that list, I guess you go with valpo, msu, and Uic to double down in Chicago

MVC has been in Texas before. At one point Drake, Bradley, et.al. were in the same league as North Texas, West Texas St. and New Mexico St.
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(04-22-2017 09:49 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  No Dakota schools on the list, as we all thought.

Music to my ears. 04-rock

If you read the MVCfans site they seem to be scared of the two XDSU's taking over. Understandable, look what happened to the MVFC
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(04-22-2017 01:23 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 09:49 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  No Dakota schools on the list, as we all thought.

Music to my ears. 04-rock

If you read the MVCfans site they seem to be scared of the two XDSU's taking over. Understandable, look what happened to the MVFC

I'm reading it now for the first time. They're saying they don't want XDSU's because of travel and they want Murray and Valpo specifically because they're the best 2 programs. They're bang-on both counts.

There is an NDSU fan throwing a huge hissy fit and bashing Murray and proclaiming the Summit will pass the MVC forever if they add Murray/Valpo, which, LMAO. 03-lmfao
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(04-22-2017 01:23 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 09:49 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  No Dakota schools on the list, as we all thought.

Music to my ears. 04-rock

If you read the MVCfans site they seem to be scared of the two XDSU's taking over. Understandable, look what happened to the MVFC

Your posts here and over there are dramatic.
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(04-22-2017 01:59 PM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 01:23 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 09:49 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  No Dakota schools on the list, as we all thought.

Music to my ears. 04-rock

If you read the MVCfans site they seem to be scared of the two XDSU's taking over. Understandable, look what happened to the MVFC

Your posts here and over there are dramatic.
MVC site looks pretty good to me. Pretty knowledgeable and for the most part level-headed. See some familiar names from here. Just registered.
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(04-22-2017 02:08 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 01:59 PM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 01:23 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 09:49 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  No Dakota schools on the list, as we all thought.

Music to my ears. 04-rock

If you read the MVCfans site they seem to be scared of the two XDSU's taking over. Understandable, look what happened to the MVFC

Your posts here and over there are dramatic.
MVC site looks pretty good to me. Pretty knowledgeable and for the most part level-headed. See some familiar names from here. Just registered.

Some are, but actually I would say a lot there are not level-headed.
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It's probably lakesbison over there. He is NoDak's and MLPSBison's love child.
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(04-22-2017 03:48 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  It's probably lakesbison over there. He is NoDak's and MLPSBison's love child.

YEP 04-cheers
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Oh, I forgot about the whole UWM problem with Amanda Braun as AD. I see no way in heck the MVC could invite the Panthers while she is there. A complete nutcase.
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RE: Murray St to MVC??? What does OVC do?
(04-21-2017 10:18 PM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 07:14 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(04-21-2017 07:11 PM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  They're just lucky that Belmont doesn't want to leave.

Murray State is the better add than Belmont by far.

I'd prefer Belmont as my number one choice, but the OVC would be in trouble if both teams left.

Why? Belmont doesnt have football and Murray could careless about their team.
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This UWM to the MVC talk is dumb and reeks of Elgin and his beloved Markets. Why not just grab Detroit Mercy instead? At least Detroit has a basketball history, was last in the tournament in 2012 and actually has its own arena that is at least Valley ready. It also draws a clear line between the MVC and Horizon in terms of membership and conference missions.

MVC

Bradley
Drake
Loyola
Evansville
Valpo
Detroit
ISUr
ISUb
SIU
UNI
MO-State
Murray State

Horizon

Cleveland State
Wright State
Oakland
NKU
UIC
UWGB
UWM
Fort Wayne
IUPUI
UMKC

*Youngstown to the OVC
** The Summit will have to convince Minnesota State to move up and drop football in order to survive.

SDSU
USD
NDSU
UND
Minnesota State
WIU
Omaha
Denver
ORU
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