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Did some googling on FBS football:

I searched "Power 5 Conferences." NOTE: the American Conference is nowhere to be found: [Image: week2ncaa-740x355.jpg]

I searched "Group of Five Conferences." NOTE: the American Conference is in fact a part of the G5: [Image: 5c4889fd1f9f781420627643e6e52135.jpg]

AND THEN...I searched this "Power 6 Conference" you buffoons claim you're a part of and found this:
[Image: sorry-image-not-available.png]

And of course I don't even have to google the fact that the MAC was the conference with a member in the NY6 bowls, while the American Conference sat home watching.
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Look at attendance, athletic budgets, national championships, etc. The AAC is clearly the 6th-best conference. However, until we get an NY6 tie-in and at least $10 million per school for our media rights, there is no P6. At best, we are a tweener conference.
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G4 teams probably just need to go fcs. Maybe save 15 teams out of the G4 leagues. Honestly it would group the smaller fanbases together nicely.
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(04-22-2017 11:58 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  Did some googling on FBS football:

I searched "Power 5 Conferences." NOTE: the American Conference is nowhere to be found: [Image: week2ncaa-740x355.jpg]

I searched "Group of Five Conferences." NOTE: the American Conference is in fact a part of the G5: [Image: 5c4889fd1f9f781420627643e6e52135.jpg]

AND THEN...I searched this "Power 6 Conference" you buffoons claim you're a part of and found this:
[Image: sorry-image-not-available.png]

And of course I don't even have to google the fact that the MAC was the conference with a member in the NY6 bowls, while the American Conference sat home watching.

Because an internet search is the be all end all to any debate....smh
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(04-23-2017 06:59 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(04-22-2017 11:58 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  Did some googling on FBS football:

I searched "Power 5 Conferences." NOTE: the American Conference is nowhere to be found: [Image: week2ncaa-740x355.jpg]

I searched "Group of Five Conferences." NOTE: the American Conference is in fact a part of the G5: [Image: 5c4889fd1f9f781420627643e6e52135.jpg]

AND THEN...I searched this "Power 6 Conference" you buffoons claim you're a part of and found this:
[Image: sorry-image-not-available.png]

And of course I don't even have to google the fact that the MAC was the conference with a member in the NY6 bowls, while the American Conference sat home watching.

Because an internet search is the be all end all to any debate....smh

Well you know what "THEY" say... "IF IT'S ON THE INTERNET, IT MUST BE TRUE" SMFH
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(04-22-2017 11:58 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  Did some googling on FBS football:

I searched "Power 5 Conferences." NOTE: the American Conference is nowhere to be found: [Image: week2ncaa-740x355.jpg]

I searched "Group of Five Conferences." NOTE: the American Conference is in fact a part of the G5: [Image: 5c4889fd1f9f781420627643e6e52135.jpg]

AND THEN...I searched this "Power 6 Conference" you buffoons claim you're a part of and found this:
[Image: sorry-image-not-available.png]

And of course I don't even have to google the fact that the MAC was the conference with a member in the NY6 bowls, while the American Conference sat home watching.

Your google skills are impressive, inductchuck.

I suggest that your next step should be an informative but firm letter to the Commissioner of the American, Mr. Aresco. You do realize that is a campaign from the conference, not just us message board heroes, right?
And that campaign is not trying to convince anyone that the American is currently on par with the SEC and the BigTen - the point of the P6 campaign is to establish that the American is closer to the five contract bowl conferences than to the lesser four conferences.
In addition to on-field performance, there is evidence of that in attendance, spending (including full cost of attendance, and most importantly in TV ratings.
Benefits will come in media contract negotiation/re-negotiation, but it is most important in the strategic outlook of being on the right side of the next huge shift in the college football landscape in 2024/2025.

I'm cautiously optimistic. If you don't think that the broadcast partners and the college football punditry consider the American ahead of the G4s and a tweener and talk generally positively about the American, then you must not have been watching much college football from November on. You do realize that the College Football Playoff Committee spokesmen talked before the conference championship games about having to give serious consideration to a 2-loss Navy team over an undefeated MAC team due to the strength of the American versus the MAC schedule? That's just one example of many.
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During our spring game our AD Danny White was discussing raising revenue and constantly referred to the American as a P6 conference. Dropped that line multiple times with graphics plus it is on our helmet. I think this is becoming more than just message board talk. We are pushing that narrative hard.
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(04-23-2017 11:03 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  During our spring game our AD Danny White was discussing raising revenue and constantly referred to the American as a P6 conference. Dropped that line multiple times with graphics plus it is on our helmet. I think this is becoming more than just message board talk. We are pushing that narrative hard.

Do you think our media partner, ESPN will push the P6 narrative?
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(04-23-2017 11:09 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-23-2017 11:03 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  During our spring game our AD Danny White was discussing raising revenue and constantly referred to the American as a P6 conference. Dropped that line multiple times with graphics plus it is on our helmet. I think this is becoming more than just message board talk. We are pushing that narrative hard.

Do you think our media partner, ESPN will push the P6 narrative?

To me that has to be part of the negotiations with ESPN with our contract.
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(04-23-2017 11:03 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  During our spring game our AD Danny White was discussing raising revenue and constantly referred to the American as a P6 conference. Dropped that line multiple times with graphics plus it is on our helmet. I think this is becoming more than just message board talk. We are pushing that narrative hard.

I think that since many AAC posters constantly refer to ESPN as the "World Wide Leader"--which isn't official, ESPN made that up--they should return the favor.
I'll never refer to ESPN as "the world wide leader", but many on here do. So if ESPN won't get on board with the P6 narrative, please stop giving them free advertising by parroting that "WWL" stuff.
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(04-23-2017 11:15 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-23-2017 11:03 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  During our spring game our AD Danny White was discussing raising revenue and constantly referred to the American as a P6 conference. Dropped that line multiple times with graphics plus it is on our helmet. I think this is becoming more than just message board talk. We are pushing that narrative hard.

I think that since many AAC posters constantly refer to ESPN as the "World Wide Leader"--which isn't official, ESPN made that up--they should return the favor.
I'll never refer to ESPN as "the world wide leader", but many on here do. So if ESPN won't get on board with the P6 narrative, please stop giving them free advertising by parroting that "WWL" stuff.


Now, you're definitely splitting hairs...
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IMO. For the American to attain Power 6 status. It would need to do something to separate itself from other G5 conference.( Not that it hasn't to some extent already.)


1st, Expansion to 16 football members. Phase 1 additions should be New Mexico and Georgia state ( or possibly Baylor depending on future outcome of investigations.)

2nd, Contract Bowls. When given the chance play up not down. That means no bowl games versus CUSA, Sun Belt or the like. Target any opening to play a P5 opponent.

3rd, Try selling media rights to Amazon. It seems they are getting into the sports market recently. That may be away to increase yearly revenue. Especially if Amazon helped the American build its own network.
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(04-23-2017 11:37 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  IMO. For the American to attain Power 6 status. It would need to do something to separate itself from other G5 conference.( Not that it hasn't to some extent already.)


1st, Expansion to 16 football members. Phase 1 additions should be New Mexico and Georgia state ( or possibly Baylor depending on future outcome of investigations.)

2nd, Contract Bowls. When given the chance play up not down. That means no bowl games versus CUSA, Sun Belt or the like. Target any opening to play a P5 opponent.

3rd, Try selling media rights to Amazon. It seems they are getting into the sports market recently. That may be away to increase yearly revenue. Especially if Amazon helped the American build its own network.

1) WTF expansion with New Mexico and GA. State? Army, Air Force, and BYU are the only real options that would increase the league value (maybe toss Boise State in that mix but they are losing their luster quickly). Ga State is a tiny sunbelt program with crowds in hundreds. Similar to a FIU type. Ga. State is also down the road from GA Tech with no ability to grow out of small time status.

2) Bowls - I agree our lineup stinks. We need at least one decent bowl game. We had the liberty in the C-USA days. Getting a bowl like that one is a must. Playing against Sunbelt, MAC, or C-USA teams are just terrible for fans.

3) Internet streaming - Don't agree. Right now we need to hit the masses and that is what ESPN and a lesser extent Fox, NBC, CBS does. Going to Amazon looks super small time.


Personally I think we need to land 4+ NCAA bids per year and just get at least 2 football teams in the top 25. That is giant separation from the G4. Plus if we get over $4 million per team that is way over the other G4ers.
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(04-23-2017 11:24 AM)TheShocker Wrote:  
(04-23-2017 11:15 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-23-2017 11:03 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  During our spring game our AD Danny White was discussing raising revenue and constantly referred to the American as a P6 conference. Dropped that line multiple times with graphics plus it is on our helmet. I think this is becoming more than just message board talk. We are pushing that narrative hard.

I think that since many AAC posters constantly refer to ESPN as the "World Wide Leader"--which isn't official, ESPN made that up--they should return the favor.
I'll never refer to ESPN as "the world wide leader", but many on here do. So if ESPN won't get on board with the P6 narrative, please stop giving them free advertising by parroting that "WWL" stuff.


Now, you're definitely splitting hairs...

Probably. But the poster before made an argument that The AAC is using the P6 narrative as a promotional reason. I hope our media partner, helps by promoting the P6 narrative. At the very very least, they (ESPN) better not mock it.
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(04-23-2017 11:37 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  IMO. For the American to attain Power 6 status. It would need to do something to separate itself from other G5 conference.( Not that it hasn't to some extent already.)


1st, Expansion to 16 football members. Phase 1 additions should be New Mexico and Georgia state ( or possibly Baylor depending on future outcome of investigations.)

2nd, Contract Bowls. When given the chance play up not down. That means no bowl games versus CUSA, Sun Belt or the like. Target any opening to play a P5 opponent.

3rd, Try selling media rights to Amazon. It seems they are getting into the sports market recently. That may be away to increase yearly revenue. Especially if Amazon helped the American build its own network.

1. No Belch programs like Georgia St. That's embarrassing. New Mexico would be good IF there was a western wing with several MWC/BYU schools coming. UNM, CSU, BYU, Boise would be my picks. But the Western Wing idea is dead, at least for now.
2. Agree on bowls.
3. Too early to tell on Amazon....lets watch the next 2 years to see if there's some non-traditional media options that are becoming viable. We don't have to make a media decision until the summer of 2019. Let's see how things play out before renewing/extending the ESPN contract (because they'll low ball IMO) and see what our options are after the 2019 Basketball season.
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(04-23-2017 11:37 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  IMO. For the American to attain Power 6 status. It would need to do something to separate itself from other G5 conference.( Not that it hasn't to some extent already.)


1st, Expansion to 16 football members. Phase 1 additions should be New Mexico and Georgia state ( or possibly Baylor depending on future outcome of investigations.)

2nd, Contract Bowls. When given the chance play up not down. That means no bowl games versus CUSA, Sun Belt or the like. Target any opening to play a P5 opponent.

3rd, Try selling media rights to Amazon. It seems they are getting into the sports market recently. That may be away to increase yearly revenue. Especially if Amazon helped the American build its own network.
You lost me at ga state. Lmao. Dumb post
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All fine an dandy except espn knows every team in the conference will bolt at the first chance to get into even a marginally better conference (see big 12). So why give money to a conference that none of the teams even want to really be a part of. Come 2024-25 this conference is going to lose alot of teams.
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(04-23-2017 01:21 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  All fine an dandy except espn knows every team in the conference will bolt at the first chance to get into even a marginally better conference (see big 12). So why give money to a conference that none of the teams even want to really be a part of. Come 2024-25 this conference is going to lose alot of teams.

We are talking today and espn guaranteeing content until 2025. Nobody knows what will happen. Clearly espn doesn't want big 12 expansion. They paid for then not to expand.
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(04-23-2017 01:48 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(04-23-2017 01:21 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  All fine an dandy except espn knows every team in the conference will bolt at the first chance to get into even a marginally better conference (see big 12). So why give money to a conference that none of the teams even want to really be a part of. Come 2024-25 this conference is going to lose alot of teams.

We are talking today and espn guaranteeing content until 2025. Nobody knows what will happen. Clearly espn doesn't want big 12 expansion. They paid for then not to expand.

They only paid them $10million dollars which is basically nothing since that comes out to $1 million per team.

So what makes it seem likely that espn is going to give us any significant amount of money?
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(04-23-2017 01:53 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(04-23-2017 01:48 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(04-23-2017 01:21 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  All fine an dandy except espn knows every team in the conference will bolt at the first chance to get into even a marginally better conference (see big 12). So why give money to a conference that none of the teams even want to really be a part of. Come 2024-25 this conference is going to lose alot of teams.

We are talking today and espn guaranteeing content until 2025. Nobody knows what will happen. Clearly espn doesn't want big 12 expansion. They paid for then not to expand.

They only paid them $10million dollars which is basically nothing since that comes out to $1 million per team.

So what makes it seem likely that espn is going to give us any significant amount of money?

The point is they paid money to not expand so no guarantee espn wants to fork over big money to expand in 8 years. Teams desiring to change conferences have little impact since espn controls expansion anyway. This is about guaranteed content and how bad espn needs us.

I'm personally one on the low side of the $$$. I think we get $3.5 to $4 million.
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