Thing is though, when you look back at our past highly recruited teams and compare them to other teams that recruited in the top 10, all the other teams made runs in the NCAA. That was one of the knocks against Pastner. The year we had the top 3 recruiting class, look at the other teams in the top 10 that same season, then look at what the other 9 teams managed over a 4 year period. There is absolutely something to be said about having a top 10 recruiting class. Just because Pastner failed miserably doesn't mean that you should recruit lower ranked players. We made a bad hire with Josh, then followed that bad hire with another bad hire with Tubby.

(04-21-2017 01:47 PM)BJD Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 09:03 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 08:37 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 08:33 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 08:26 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Mitch the Stich once described Cal as someone with "too much baggage", a few years later and a fanbase that was irked he then says he is sorry for describing Cal as a coach with baggage. He was dirty and then all of a sudden he became Mr. Clean.

Link?

The link is probably the press conference when Kentucky hired Cal. Trust me this wasn't a shot at Cal. I loved Cal as our coach. This was a shot at Mitch.

Am I to assume your comments above were made up from your best recollection, or are in fact, fact?

A link should answer this question.

This is the first time I'm hearing that particular phrase in regards to Barnfart about Cal. But it is no secret that Barnfart never wanted Cal.

He got his way in 2007 with the hiring of BCG but didn't do his homework.

Barnfart was basically over ridden by some well connected and moneyed interest in 2009 in the hiring of Cal.

I truly feel sorry for the Memphis fans. Not your administration. They should have known better than to hire tubby. But the fans didn't have a vote. It was the same for us at UK. Tubby was forced on us. We had to deal with that drivel for 10 years.

As I've said before, he is a world class grifter. UK really couldn't fire a black coach that won a title with the racist history that has been bestowed upon us. It's not a matter of whether that reputation is deserved, it is out there. Tubby took full advantage of that fact.

He even went on PTI and implied that the only reason some UK fans didn't like him was because of his race. He played to that narrative.

Memphis has no such baggage. Memphis is a great basketball school. I go back to the Memphis St days. Always a program to be reckoned with. You deserve far better than tubby.

And I was same about your previous coach. Memphis could have done much better when Cal left than you did.

Just sort of weird that you just recently joined the board as a UK fan, yet all of your posts are on the Memphis board - at the same time that we're in a not-so-good place.

(04-21-2017 02:44 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Thing is though, when you look back at our past highly recruited teams and compare them to other teams that recruited in the top 10, all the other teams made runs in the NCAA. That was one of the knocks against Pastner. The year we had the top 3 recruiting class, look at the other teams in the top 10 that same season, then look at what the other 9 teams managed over a 4 year period. There is absolutely something to be said about having a top 10 recruiting class. Just because Pastner failed miserably doesn't mean that you should recruit lower ranked players. We made a bad hire with Josh, then followed that bad hire with another bad hire with Tubby.

You are right about the Pastner hire and could be right about the Tubby hire but I honestly think it's still to early to say that.


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(04-21-2017 02:46 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 01:47 PM)BJD Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 09:03 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 08:37 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 08:33 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  Link?

The link is probably the press conference when Kentucky hired Cal. Trust me this wasn't a shot at Cal. I loved Cal as our coach. This was a shot at Mitch.

Am I to assume your comments above were made up from your best recollection, or are in fact, fact?

A link should answer this question.

This is the first time I'm hearing that particular phrase in regards to Barnfart about Cal. But it is no secret that Barnfart never wanted Cal.

He got his way in 2007 with the hiring of BCG but didn't do his homework.

Barnfart was basically over ridden by some well connected and moneyed interest in 2009 in the hiring of Cal.

I truly feel sorry for the Memphis fans. Not your administration. They should have known better than to hire tubby. But the fans didn't have a vote. It was the same for us at UK. Tubby was forced on us. We had to deal with that drivel for 10 years.

As I've said before, he is a world class grifter. UK really couldn't fire a black coach that won a title with the racist history that has been bestowed upon us. It's not a matter of whether that reputation is deserved, it is out there. Tubby took full advantage of that fact.

He even went on PTI and implied that the only reason some UK fans didn't like him was because of his race. He played to that narrative.

Memphis has no such baggage. Memphis is a great basketball school. I go back to the Memphis St days. Always a program to be reckoned with. You deserve far better than tubby.

And I was same about your previous coach. Memphis could have done much better when Cal left than you did.

Just sort of weird that you just recently joined the board as a UK fan, yet all of your posts are on the Memphis board - at the same time that we're in a not-so-good place.

I was thinking the same thing.


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(04-21-2017 02:44 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Thing is though, when you look back at our past highly recruited teams and compare them to other teams that recruited in the top 10, all the other teams made runs in the NCAA. That was one of the knocks against Pastner. The year we had the top 3 recruiting class, look at the other teams in the top 10 that same season, then look at what the other 9 teams managed over a 4 year period. There is absolutely something to be said about having a top 10 recruiting class. Just because Pastner failed miserably doesn't mean that you should recruit lower ranked players. We made a bad hire with Josh, then followed that bad hire with another bad hire with Tubby.

Aside from not having great coaching skills, I'm not sure Pastner ever put together a complete team. Sure we had a team full of 4 and 5 star guys, but we never had a true center that was anywhere close to that level the whole time he was here. I'm not saying those guys are easy to find or that he didn't try to land one, but we played small ball almost the whole time he was here. That may work in CUSA, but you're gonna get eaten alive by most decent P5 teams (and we did).

(04-21-2017 03:05 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:44 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Thing is though, when you look back at our past highly recruited teams and compare them to other teams that recruited in the top 10, all the other teams made runs in the NCAA. That was one of the knocks against Pastner. The year we had the top 3 recruiting class, look at the other teams in the top 10 that same season, then look at what the other 9 teams managed over a 4 year period. There is absolutely something to be said about having a top 10 recruiting class. Just because Pastner failed miserably doesn't mean that you should recruit lower ranked players. We made a bad hire with Josh, then followed that bad hire with another bad hire with Tubby.

Aside from not having great coaching skills, I'm not sure Pastner ever put together a complete team. Sure we had a team full of 4 and 5 star guys, but we never had a true center that was anywhere close to that level the whole time he was here. I'm not saying those guys are easy to find or that he didn't try to land one, but we played small ball almost the whole time he was here. That may work in CUSA, but you're gonna get eaten alive by most decent P5 teams (and we did).

He had a Center that started for the Lakers sporadically this season ...

(04-21-2017 03:17 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:05 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:44 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Thing is though, when you look back at our past highly recruited teams and compare them to other teams that recruited in the top 10, all the other teams made runs in the NCAA. That was one of the knocks against Pastner. The year we had the top 3 recruiting class, look at the other teams in the top 10 that same season, then look at what the other 9 teams managed over a 4 year period. There is absolutely something to be said about having a top 10 recruiting class. Just because Pastner failed miserably doesn't mean that you should recruit lower ranked players. We made a bad hire with Josh, then followed that bad hire with another bad hire with Tubby.

Aside from not having great coaching skills, I'm not sure Pastner ever put together a complete team. Sure we had a team full of 4 and 5 star guys, but we never had a true center that was anywhere close to that level the whole time he was here. I'm not saying those guys are easy to find or that he didn't try to land one, but we played small ball almost the whole time he was here. That may work in CUSA, but you're gonna get eaten alive by most decent P5 teams (and we did).

He had a Center that started for the Lakers sporadically this season ...

Tarik is a PF, but I realize that is a debatable subject. Even so, our front court was a weakness (especially on defense). If you have Wesley Witherspoon playing in the post for any extended period of time, you have failed to adequately fill out your roster.

(04-21-2017 02:58 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  These radio guys need to stop trying to make and be the news and just report the news

Reporting the news went out with air horns and 4 barrel carburetors

(04-21-2017 02:44 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Thing is though, when you look back at our past highly recruited teams and compare them to other teams that recruited in the top 10, all the other teams made runs in the NCAA. That was one of the knocks against Pastner. The year we had the top 3 recruiting class, look at the other teams in the top 10 that same season, then look at what the other 9 teams managed over a 4 year period. There is absolutely something to be said about having a top 10 recruiting class. Just because Pastner failed miserably doesn't mean that you should recruit lower ranked players. We made a bad hire with Josh, then followed that bad hire with another bad hire with Tubby.

The focus of many in here's wet dreams, won a national championship, then added a top 5 recruiting class and went on to miss the tournament the next season.

A few key injuries can cost any coach a run at the tournament.

Some teams just happen to have a run of injuries for some reason. And teams under-perform because of it.

HELL even the Celtic lost the Championship one year in the 60s due to injuries.

(04-21-2017 03:35 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:17 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 03:05 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:44 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Thing is though, when you look back at our past highly recruited teams and compare them to other teams that recruited in the top 10, all the other teams made runs in the NCAA. That was one of the knocks against Pastner. The year we had the top 3 recruiting class, look at the other teams in the top 10 that same season, then look at what the other 9 teams managed over a 4 year period. There is absolutely something to be said about having a top 10 recruiting class. Just because Pastner failed miserably doesn't mean that you should recruit lower ranked players. We made a bad hire with Josh, then followed that bad hire with another bad hire with Tubby.

Aside from not having great coaching skills, I'm not sure Pastner ever put together a complete team. Sure we had a team full of 4 and 5 star guys, but we never had a true center that was anywhere close to that level the whole time he was here. I'm not saying those guys are easy to find or that he didn't try to land one, but we played small ball almost the whole time he was here. That may work in CUSA, but you're gonna get eaten alive by most decent P5 teams (and we did).

He had a Center that started for the Lakers sporadically this season ...

Tarik is a PF, but I realize that is a debatable subject. Even so, our front court was a weakness (especially on defense). If you have Wesley Witherspoon playing in the post for any extended period of time, you have failed to adequately fill out your roster.

Many college teams play without true centers. They are becoming extinct because kids grow up shooting 3s and avoiding contact.

(04-21-2017 02:41 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:01 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 03:41 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 02:58 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  He also said the Lawson's departure was as big as Cal leaving Memphis.

If only it was April 1st when he said that...

Quote:Jason Smith says that Memphis Tigers has poorly put together staff!

If you have a big picture mindset, it is huge.

Obviously, with Keelon we get Chandler and Johnathan. And KJ (yeah, i Know). Keeps up strong with DJ Jeffries.

Keelon's wife coaches the Team Penny U16 team. Keelon, as a father of Chandler and Johnathan, wasn't restricted by recruiting rules (no contact, dead periods, etc) to have contact with prospects.

He could have, in fact, had barbecues with the aau kids at his house, talked up Memphis to the parents, had those kid's "people" over. Plus he knew the Memphis landscape.

Instead you have Better not Call Saul leaving messages on D2 dad's office phones about coming to talk.

Pfft.

I agree with everything in this post. It really is unbelievable. Another thing that doesn't get mentioned very often is that even IF Tubby does well, he won't do as well as he should by virtue of his recruiting.

He is doing things his way and I suppose will get his type of recruits, but there are dozens of better recruits within a 200 mile radius of Memphis than there are in Minneapolis (or wherever they are) and Lubbock. Memphis also obviously has a much better brand than either Minnesota or Texas Tech.

Let's say you go to a store and there are 10 pairs of shoes and you can choose the shoes you like and have most of them. Tubby has that choice and isn't even in the running for 8 of them.

His crappy recruiting is leaving so much talent on the table, it's discouraging.

Could there be cause-effect with "Tubby's way"? That is, could his results be dependent upon getting under-valued players? Are they hungrier? More coachable?

It's silly logic to say all other variables are constant, so the results from one recruit would be even greater with a higher rated recruit. Basketball is not a controlled environment.

The constant variable is that you do better when you have better recruits. Very few coaches win without them and the ones that do would win more if they had more of them.

Let's say Tubby makes the tournament with 4 top 20 Jucos, a couple of borderline 4 stars and 3 stars sprinkled in. Don't you think he would do better if his entire roster was comprised of players in the top 100 along with the occasional 5 star?

And Tubby's way until last year's stupidity on the part of our admin hadn't landed him a better opportunity than Minnesota or Texas Tech and 1 measly NCAA win the last 9 seasons.

(04-21-2017 11:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:41 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:01 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 03:41 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 02:58 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  He also said the Lawson's departure was as big as Cal leaving Memphis.

If only it was April 1st when he said that...

If you have a big picture mindset, it is huge.

Obviously, with Keelon we get Chandler and Johnathan. And KJ (yeah, i Know). Keeps up strong with DJ Jeffries.

Keelon's wife coaches the Team Penny U16 team. Keelon, as a father of Chandler and Johnathan, wasn't restricted by recruiting rules (no contact, dead periods, etc) to have contact with prospects.

He could have, in fact, had barbecues with the aau kids at his house, talked up Memphis to the parents, had those kid's "people" over. Plus he knew the Memphis landscape.

Instead you have Better not Call Saul leaving messages on D2 dad's office phones about coming to talk.

Pfft.

I agree with everything in this post. It really is unbelievable. Another thing that doesn't get mentioned very often is that even IF Tubby does well, he won't do as well as he should by virtue of his recruiting.

He is doing things his way and I suppose will get his type of recruits, but there are dozens of better recruits within a 200 mile radius of Memphis than there are in Minneapolis (or wherever they are) and Lubbock. Memphis also obviously has a much better brand than either Minnesota or Texas Tech.

Let's say you go to a store and there are 10 pairs of shoes and you can choose the shoes you like and have most of them. Tubby has that choice and isn't even in the running for 8 of them.

His crappy recruiting is leaving so much talent on the table, it's discouraging.

Could there be cause-effect with "Tubby's way"? That is, could his results be dependent upon getting under-valued players? Are they hungrier? More coachable?

It's silly logic to say all other variables are constant, so the results from one recruit would be even greater with a higher rated recruit. Basketball is not a controlled environment.

The constant variable is that you do better when you have better recruits. Very few coaches win without them and the ones that do would win more if they had more of them.

Let's say Tubby makes the tournament with 4 top 20 Jucos, a couple of borderline 4 stars and 3 stars sprinkled in. Don't you think he would do better if his entire roster was comprised of players in the top 100 along with the occasional 5 star?

And Tubby's way until last year's stupidity on the part of our admin hadn't landed him a better opportunity than Minnesota or Texas Tech and 1 measly NCAA win the last 9 seasons.

Really...how far did Calipari get in the NCAA tourney this year and last year with all of those 5* recruits? If you can coach, you don't need an entire roster comprised of 4 and 5*s. Smdh

(04-21-2017 11:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:41 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:01 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 03:41 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 02:58 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  He also said the Lawson's departure was as big as Cal leaving Memphis.

If only it was April 1st when he said that...

If you have a big picture mindset, it is huge.

Obviously, with Keelon we get Chandler and Johnathan. And KJ (yeah, i Know). Keeps up strong with DJ Jeffries.

Keelon's wife coaches the Team Penny U16 team. Keelon, as a father of Chandler and Johnathan, wasn't restricted by recruiting rules (no contact, dead periods, etc) to have contact with prospects.

He could have, in fact, had barbecues with the aau kids at his house, talked up Memphis to the parents, had those kid's "people" over. Plus he knew the Memphis landscape.

Instead you have Better not Call Saul leaving messages on D2 dad's office phones about coming to talk.

Pfft.

I agree with everything in this post. It really is unbelievable. Another thing that doesn't get mentioned very often is that even IF Tubby does well, he won't do as well as he should by virtue of his recruiting.

He is doing things his way and I suppose will get his type of recruits, but there are dozens of better recruits within a 200 mile radius of Memphis than there are in Minneapolis (or wherever they are) and Lubbock. Memphis also obviously has a much better brand than either Minnesota or Texas Tech.

Let's say you go to a store and there are 10 pairs of shoes and you can choose the shoes you like and have most of them. Tubby has that choice and isn't even in the running for 8 of them.

His crappy recruiting is leaving so much talent on the table, it's discouraging.

Could there be cause-effect with "Tubby's way"? That is, could his results be dependent upon getting under-valued players? Are they hungrier? More coachable?

It's silly logic to say all other variables are constant, so the results from one recruit would be even greater with a higher rated recruit. Basketball is not a controlled environment.

The constant variable is that you do better when you have better recruits. Very few coaches win without them and the ones that do would win more if they had more of them.

Let's say Tubby makes the tournament with 4 top 20 Jucos, a couple of borderline 4 stars and 3 stars sprinkled in. Don't you think he would do better if his entire roster was comprised of players in the top 100 along with the occasional 5 star?

And Tubby's way until last year's stupidity on the part of our admin hadn't landed him a better opportunity than Minnesota or Texas Tech and 1 measly NCAA win the last 9 seasons.

Really...how far did Calipari get in the NCAA tourney this year and last year with all of those 5* recruits? If you can coach, you don't need an entire roster comprised of 4 and 5*s. Smdh

(04-22-2017 08:24 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:41 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:01 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 03:41 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  If you have a big picture mindset, it is huge.

Obviously, with Keelon we get Chandler and Johnathan. And KJ (yeah, i Know). Keeps up strong with DJ Jeffries.

Keelon's wife coaches the Team Penny U16 team. Keelon, as a father of Chandler and Johnathan, wasn't restricted by recruiting rules (no contact, dead periods, etc) to have contact with prospects.

He could have, in fact, had barbecues with the aau kids at his house, talked up Memphis to the parents, had those kid's "people" over. Plus he knew the Memphis landscape.

Instead you have Better not Call Saul leaving messages on D2 dad's office phones about coming to talk.

Pfft.

I agree with everything in this post. It really is unbelievable. Another thing that doesn't get mentioned very often is that even IF Tubby does well, he won't do as well as he should by virtue of his recruiting.

He is doing things his way and I suppose will get his type of recruits, but there are dozens of better recruits within a 200 mile radius of Memphis than there are in Minneapolis (or wherever they are) and Lubbock. Memphis also obviously has a much better brand than either Minnesota or Texas Tech.

Let's say you go to a store and there are 10 pairs of shoes and you can choose the shoes you like and have most of them. Tubby has that choice and isn't even in the running for 8 of them.

His crappy recruiting is leaving so much talent on the table, it's discouraging.

Could there be cause-effect with "Tubby's way"? That is, could his results be dependent upon getting under-valued players? Are they hungrier? More coachable?

It's silly logic to say all other variables are constant, so the results from one recruit would be even greater with a higher rated recruit. Basketball is not a controlled environment.

The constant variable is that you do better when you have better recruits. Very few coaches win without them and the ones that do would win more if they had more of them.

Let's say Tubby makes the tournament with 4 top 20 Jucos, a couple of borderline 4 stars and 3 stars sprinkled in. Don't you think he would do better if his entire roster was comprised of players in the top 100 along with the occasional 5 star?

And Tubby's way until last year's stupidity on the part of our admin hadn't landed him a better opportunity than Minnesota or Texas Tech and 1 measly NCAA win the last 9 seasons.

Really...how far did Calipari get in the NCAA tourney this year and last year with all of those 5* recruits? If you can coach, you don't need an entire roster comprised of 4 and 5*s. Smdh

Good lord. He won the SEC regular season, the SECt, went to the Elite 8, and lost to the eventual national champion (also full of 4* and 5*) on a last second shot.

(04-22-2017 08:36 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 08:24 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:41 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:01 AM)Stammers Wrote:  I agree with everything in this post. It really is unbelievable. Another thing that doesn't get mentioned very often is that even IF Tubby does well, he won't do as well as he should by virtue of his recruiting.

He is doing things his way and I suppose will get his type of recruits, but there are dozens of better recruits within a 200 mile radius of Memphis than there are in Minneapolis (or wherever they are) and Lubbock. Memphis also obviously has a much better brand than either Minnesota or Texas Tech.

Let's say you go to a store and there are 10 pairs of shoes and you can choose the shoes you like and have most of them. Tubby has that choice and isn't even in the running for 8 of them.

His crappy recruiting is leaving so much talent on the table, it's discouraging.

Could there be cause-effect with "Tubby's way"? That is, could his results be dependent upon getting under-valued players? Are they hungrier? More coachable?

It's silly logic to say all other variables are constant, so the results from one recruit would be even greater with a higher rated recruit. Basketball is not a controlled environment.

The constant variable is that you do better when you have better recruits. Very few coaches win without them and the ones that do would win more if they had more of them.

Let's say Tubby makes the tournament with 4 top 20 Jucos, a couple of borderline 4 stars and 3 stars sprinkled in. Don't you think he would do better if his entire roster was comprised of players in the top 100 along with the occasional 5 star?

And Tubby's way until last year's stupidity on the part of our admin hadn't landed him a better opportunity than Minnesota or Texas Tech and 1 measly NCAA win the last 9 seasons.

Really...how far did Calipari get in the NCAA tourney this year and last year with all of those 5* recruits? If you can coach, you don't need an entire roster comprised of 4 and 5*s. Smdh

Good lord. He won the SEC regular season, the SECt, went to the Elite 8, and lost to the eventual national champion (also full of 4* and 5*) on a last second shot.

A team full of potential NBA 1st round picks he should win multiple national championship games. Let me see Cal has won how many at Kentucky...one? Within the last two years he hasn't gotten to the final four. Sweet 16s and elite eights might be good enough for Memphis but not Kentucky.

Not Memphis good?

[quote='TG4' pid='14285149' dateline='1492868653']
Not Memphis good?

Some delusional fans have Kentucky fans expectations, which is ludicrous. No sane fans would have such erratic expectations for a first year head coach. That's all I'm saying, TG4.

(04-22-2017 08:23 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:41 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:01 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 03:41 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  If you have a big picture mindset, it is huge.

Obviously, with Keelon we get Chandler and Johnathan. And KJ (yeah, i Know). Keeps up strong with DJ Jeffries.

Keelon's wife coaches the Team Penny U16 team. Keelon, as a father of Chandler and Johnathan, wasn't restricted by recruiting rules (no contact, dead periods, etc) to have contact with prospects.

He could have, in fact, had barbecues with the aau kids at his house, talked up Memphis to the parents, had those kid's "people" over. Plus he knew the Memphis landscape.

Instead you have Better not Call Saul leaving messages on D2 dad's office phones about coming to talk.

Pfft.

I agree with everything in this post. It really is unbelievable. Another thing that doesn't get mentioned very often is that even IF Tubby does well, he won't do as well as he should by virtue of his recruiting.

He is doing things his way and I suppose will get his type of recruits, but there are dozens of better recruits within a 200 mile radius of Memphis than there are in Minneapolis (or wherever they are) and Lubbock. Memphis also obviously has a much better brand than either Minnesota or Texas Tech.

Let's say you go to a store and there are 10 pairs of shoes and you can choose the shoes you like and have most of them. Tubby has that choice and isn't even in the running for 8 of them.

His crappy recruiting is leaving so much talent on the table, it's discouraging.

Could there be cause-effect with "Tubby's way"? That is, could his results be dependent upon getting under-valued players? Are they hungrier? More coachable?

It's silly logic to say all other variables are constant, so the results from one recruit would be even greater with a higher rated recruit. Basketball is not a controlled environment.

The constant variable is that you do better when you have better recruits. Very few coaches win without them and the ones that do would win more if they had more of them.

Let's say Tubby makes the tournament with 4 top 20 Jucos, a couple of borderline 4 stars and 3 stars sprinkled in. Don't you think he would do better if his entire roster was comprised of players in the top 100 along with the occasional 5 star?

And Tubby's way until last year's stupidity on the part of our admin hadn't landed him a better opportunity than Minnesota or Texas Tech and 1 measly NCAA win the last 9 seasons.

Really...how far did Calipari get in the NCAA tourney this year and last year with all of those 5* recruits? If you can coach, you don't need an entire roster comprised of 4 and 5*s. Smdh

It just shows your lack of understanding

(04-22-2017 09:25 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 08:23 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:41 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 10:01 AM)Stammers Wrote:  I agree with everything in this post. It really is unbelievable. Another thing that doesn't get mentioned very often is that even IF Tubby does well, he won't do as well as he should by virtue of his recruiting.

He is doing things his way and I suppose will get his type of recruits, but there are dozens of better recruits within a 200 mile radius of Memphis than there are in Minneapolis (or wherever they are) and Lubbock. Memphis also obviously has a much better brand than either Minnesota or Texas Tech.

Let's say you go to a store and there are 10 pairs of shoes and you can choose the shoes you like and have most of them. Tubby has that choice and isn't even in the running for 8 of them.

His crappy recruiting is leaving so much talent on the table, it's discouraging.

Could there be cause-effect with "Tubby's way"? That is, could his results be dependent upon getting under-valued players? Are they hungrier? More coachable?

It's silly logic to say all other variables are constant, so the results from one recruit would be even greater with a higher rated recruit. Basketball is not a controlled environment.

The constant variable is that you do better when you have better recruits. Very few coaches win without them and the ones that do would win more if they had more of them.

Let's say Tubby makes the tournament with 4 top 20 Jucos, a couple of borderline 4 stars and 3 stars sprinkled in. Don't you think he would do better if his entire roster was comprised of players in the top 100 along with the occasional 5 star?

And Tubby's way until last year's stupidity on the part of our admin hadn't landed him a better opportunity than Minnesota or Texas Tech and 1 measly NCAA win the last 9 seasons.

Really...how far did Calipari get in the NCAA tourney this year and last year with all of those 5* recruits? If you can coach, you don't need an entire roster comprised of 4 and 5*s. Smdh

It just shows your lack of understanding

No lack of understanding here, Keith. I said if you can coach, your entire roster does not need all 5* in order to win. There have been mid majors that defied these odds due to great coaching skills. I still like Calipari but with the kind of talent he gets every year, he should have won more than one championship.