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UT to shut down between holidays
04-18-2017 07:17 AM
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RE: UT to shut down between holidays
I am very happy that UT & President Gaber are looking at every single way possible to not only raise revenue but to make cuts that seem to make a lot of sense, and most importantly increase student retention and enrollement. There are other universities, such as NIU, that are suffering big time and their leadership seems to be sitting on their hands.
04-18-2017 08:05 AM
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RE: UT to shut down between holidays
I can't really brainstorm any negative impact, though I would think there was some reason they've been open in the past. This could be one of those cases of "we've always done it this way" that needed an outsider to see a better way and have the power and acumen to get it done.

Probably the harder part of this savings cost thing is that it all will be nickel and dime hopefully adding up to something significant. No easy answers.
04-18-2017 08:32 AM
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RE: UT to shut down between holidays
Quote:"It’s probably not the most productive time for the university,” said Mr. Kelley

LOL. Reminds me of a situation in a job I had many years ago with an architectural firm. Things were getting busy and goals needed to be met, so the boss instituted an overtime arrangement where the production people were to come in a half-hour early and also work a half-hour later than usual. Seems very considerate, right?

After one week the policy was changed and everyone was to come in at the regular time and work an hour over. The reason? The boss observed that some of the people who came in during the "half-hour early" arrangement didn't actually accomplish anything in the morning half-hour other than, "Getting their bowels moved and the paper read." Great work if you can get it.
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04-18-2017 09:56 PM
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RE: UT to shut down between holidays
(04-18-2017 08:32 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  I can't really brainstorm any negative impact, though I would think there was some reason they've been open in the past. This could be one of those cases of "we've always done it this way" that needed an outsider to see a better way and have the power and acumen to get it done.

Probably the harder part of this savings cost thing is that it all will be nickel and dime hopefully adding up to something significant. No easy answers.

Feeling around campus is that the latest round of cost savings, plus the voluntary separation offer will not be sufficient to close the budget gap of $14 million, but are needed as showing steps to try all that is possible, before the inevitable round of layoffs to come.
04-19-2017 08:55 AM
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(04-19-2017 08:55 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 08:32 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  I can't really brainstorm any negative impact, though I would think there was some reason they've been open in the past. This could be one of those cases of "we've always done it this way" that needed an outsider to see a better way and have the power and acumen to get it done.

Probably the harder part of this savings cost thing is that it all will be nickel and dime hopefully adding up to something significant. No easy answers.

Feeling around campus is that the latest round of cost savings, plus the voluntary separation offer will not be sufficient to close the budget gap of $14 million, but are needed as showing steps to try all that is possible, before the inevitable round of layoffs to come.

There wasn't anything in that Master Plan that jumped out screaming to me, "cost savings" and more efficient beyond sports facilities.
04-19-2017 10:25 AM
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RE: UT to shut down between holidays
(04-19-2017 10:25 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 08:55 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 08:32 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  I can't really brainstorm any negative impact, though I would think there was some reason they've been open in the past. This could be one of those cases of "we've always done it this way" that needed an outsider to see a better way and have the power and acumen to get it done.

Probably the harder part of this savings cost thing is that it all will be nickel and dime hopefully adding up to something significant. No easy answers.

Feeling around campus is that the latest round of cost savings, plus the voluntary separation offer will not be sufficient to close the budget gap of $14 million, but are needed as showing steps to try all that is possible, before the inevitable round of layoffs to come.

There wasn't anything in that Master Plan that jumped out screaming to me, "cost savings" and more efficient beyond sports facilities.

Examples, closure and demo of Carter Hall (after one more year as used for space during Park Tower renovations), and gradual move of UT offices from Scott Park to main campus, reflecting long term target of downsizing of building/occupied foot space. And note that majority of the very few new buildings or extensive renovations (Student Union) will require funds outside the UT operating budget, via grants and targeted fund raising/donations-including new on campus sporting fields.
04-20-2017 09:35 AM
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RE: UT to shut down between holidays
(04-20-2017 09:35 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 10:25 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 08:55 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 08:32 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  I can't really brainstorm any negative impact, though I would think there was some reason they've been open in the past. This could be one of those cases of "we've always done it this way" that needed an outsider to see a better way and have the power and acumen to get it done.

Probably the harder part of this savings cost thing is that it all will be nickel and dime hopefully adding up to something significant. No easy answers.

Feeling around campus is that the latest round of cost savings, plus the voluntary separation offer will not be sufficient to close the budget gap of $14 million, but are needed as showing steps to try all that is possible, before the inevitable round of layoffs to come.

There wasn't anything in that Master Plan that jumped out screaming to me, "cost savings" and more efficient beyond sports facilities.

Examples, closure and demo of Carter Hall (after one more year as used for space during Park Tower renovations), and gradual move of UT offices from Scott Park to main campus, reflecting long term target of downsizing of building/occupied foot space. And note that majority of the very few new buildings or extensive renovations (Student Union) will require funds outside the UT operating budget, via grants and targeted fund raising/donations-including new on campus sporting fields.

There's nothing really screaming cost savings there, let alone imaginative approach to a problem already here in the short term. They don't have time for "long term targets" but you're right, this is exactly how these old ponies think.

The relocated are being built new digs in some cases. No efficiencies there. The anchor around the neck known as Scott Park still exists and must be maintained. Building new buildings for services that already have buildings... Other than some remodel in the Engineering level, none is designed to leverage revenue. No significant operational cost savings and no revenue generation and then there's still the issue of ball-diamonds for what has become a discussion of whether those programs will even continue to exist and a new field in the boonies to be maintained.

This can go back and forth all day. It will be resolved to compare before and after (if there is an "after") operating budgets but I'll be right. 03-wink
04-20-2017 03:15 PM
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RE: UT to shut down between holidays
(04-20-2017 03:15 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(04-20-2017 09:35 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 10:25 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(04-19-2017 08:55 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 08:32 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  I can't really brainstorm any negative impact, though I would think there was some reason they've been open in the past. This could be one of those cases of "we've always done it this way" that needed an outsider to see a better way and have the power and acumen to get it done.

Probably the harder part of this savings cost thing is that it all will be nickel and dime hopefully adding up to something significant. No easy answers.

Feeling around campus is that the latest round of cost savings, plus the voluntary separation offer will not be sufficient to close the budget gap of $14 million, but are needed as showing steps to try all that is possible, before the inevitable round of layoffs to come.

There wasn't anything in that Master Plan that jumped out screaming to me, "cost savings" and more efficient beyond sports facilities.

Examples, closure and demo of Carter Hall (after one more year as used for space during Park Tower renovations), and gradual move of UT offices from Scott Park to main campus, reflecting long term target of downsizing of building/occupied foot space. And note that majority of the very few new buildings or extensive renovations (Student Union) will require funds outside the UT operating budget, via grants and targeted fund raising/donations-including new on campus sporting fields.

There's nothing really screaming cost savings there, let alone imaginative approach to a problem already here in the short term. They don't have time for "long term targets" but you're right, this is exactly how these old ponies think.

The relocated are being built new digs in some cases. No efficiencies there. The anchor around the neck known as Scott Park still exists and must be maintained. Building new buildings for services that already have buildings... Other than some remodel in the Engineering level, none is designed to leverage revenue. No significant operational cost savings and no revenue generation and then there's still the issue of ball-diamonds for what has become a discussion of whether those programs will even continue to exist and a new field in the boonies to be maintained.

This can go back and forth all day. It will be resolved to compare before and after (if there is an "after") operating budgets but I'll be right. 03-wink

The planning consultants did extensive data driven analysis of condition and use of every physical space in every building down to the individual room. So if there were efficiencies to be gained they would have been recognized. And if the sports fields end up on main campus, look for UT to sell of Scott Park since UT would have no remaining offices or facilities there. By end of the ten year plan time frame there will be net reduction and square footage and only two new buildings-both will require in part funding outside of the operating budget. A significant amount of the 10 year funding needed will come from sources outside the operating budget, and with gains in new space or building will come with reductions in other spaces as well as ongoing efforts to reduce operating costs, including energy efficiency. The new research building to be located near Engineering (the only new non-sports building to be added) will be net revenue generating via research funds as that is the only way it will get built. If you feel there are revenue opportunities being missed feel free to reach out to the President and make suggestions, both short and long term, as under the current and likely continued budget and funding challenges she and her team have been receiving and considering hundreds of ideas, a number which have been and will be implemented. It is one thing to state the principles of efficiency and revenue generation-aim of all public institutions in the US and Ohio-including universities, it is another to actually achieve them.
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