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RE: Surviving in a G5 World
(04-14-2017 09:39 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 01:08 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 10:33 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  Nice article...

"...You have to find another way to your destination. So learn to live in a new world, create your own party, but one that works economically. That means a geographically and economically sustainable model that probably doesn't include traveling to Virginia, North Carolina and Florida regularly. It also would include pairing yourselves with some teams that aren't your first choice. There's no reason that the seven Texas G-5 teams couldn't get together with some combination of the Louisiana G-5's and Tulsa or Southern Miss to form a functional and fun league. We could call it the Cajun-Cowboy League. Just workshopping. Those school all share geography, recruiting territory, and have natural or budding rivalries. TV sets didn't make Texas and OU an event, proximity and culture did. Good old fashioned hate did. That can't be manufactured from across the country.

Geographically based leagues also give your fan base the opportunity to see your product more easily. Flying into Boca Raton restricts access and opportunity. Plus all your non-revenue sports are now competing in what is essentially a bus league. Travel costs go down, opportunity goes up. That's the kind of party most ADs should be salivating for.

For Conference USA, the AAC, and the Sun Belt they've chased the traditional modalities: market size, TV eyes, populous areas etc. They've worked under the illusion that a broadcast company is going to reimburse them for the reach of their media markets. That's gotten them to where they are now, millions of dollars behind the Power 5. The illusion is that Old Dominion brings ESPN or Fox the Norfolk area. It doesn't. The same way that SMU or North Texas or even TCU don't bring ESPN the Metroplex on a silver platter. TV execs know where the value is and what drives ratings and for eastern Virginia it's the University of Virginia, Virginia Tech or North Carolina. Texas, Texas A&M and OU bring eyes from the Metroplex. Florida and Florida deliver the greater Miami area if at all, not FAU or FIU..."

"...If the Power 5's have beaten you to the punch on exposure from TV deals, then beat them to the punch in the digital realm. It's the one area where the landscape is somewhat level. G-5 schools can have just as large a social media presence as anyone. In this day and age you have to, that's where your recruits are and where your alumni base is going. To not utilize the available formats and those that are emerging is a critical mistake.

UTSA had a very limited social media presence under Larry Coker, Frank Wilson has redoubled those efforts. Seth Littrell has executed a similar social media revolution at North Texas. SMU has a dedicated video department for their football program. Tom Herman completely overhauled Houston's social media and content efforts making #HTownTakeOver a household phrase for college football fans. A coach that doesn't have a grasp on or vision for a social media strategy is bear hunting with a stick.

So too are G-5 Leagues that aren't willing to use alternate or nontraditional media as a tool for exposure..."

http://swcroundup.com/news/2017/4/11/a-p...ign=buffer

The statement that you can't build hate from across the country has been proven false by the 2000 miles of abhorrence between ODU and UTEP.

Something to keep in mind about being regional is that is the purpose of divisions. Perhaps our divisions are not quite as regional as they could be but they do help. Part of the problem is that the conference does not utilize the divisions nearly as well as it could.

But look at the old WAC days and who was UTEP's biggest rival by far? The only school in the conference that was a bus ride away. New Mexico. Before that maybe Arizona. Am I right on that?

First of all, I should have added a smile emoticon after that statement.

As for UNM and Arizona, yes those were the two closest rivals in the old WAC with UNM the most hated. But there were strong feelings in El Paso towards BYU, Arizona St and Wyoming too. Later Fresno St was disliked (in a good way) quite a bit but the most hated rival of all is NMSU. And I'm sure having just 40 miles between the two schools has a lot to do with it. That rivalry continues in all sports as OOC play and that makes it even more heated, imho.
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RE: Surviving in a G5 World
(04-15-2017 06:57 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 09:39 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 01:08 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 10:33 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  Nice article...

"...You have to find another way to your destination. So learn to live in a new world, create your own party, but one that works economically. That means a geographically and economically sustainable model that probably doesn't include traveling to Virginia, North Carolina and Florida regularly. It also would include pairing yourselves with some teams that aren't your first choice. There's no reason that the seven Texas G-5 teams couldn't get together with some combination of the Louisiana G-5's and Tulsa or Southern Miss to form a functional and fun league. We could call it the Cajun-Cowboy League. Just workshopping. Those school all share geography, recruiting territory, and have natural or budding rivalries. TV sets didn't make Texas and OU an event, proximity and culture did. Good old fashioned hate did. That can't be manufactured from across the country.

Geographically based leagues also give your fan base the opportunity to see your product more easily. Flying into Boca Raton restricts access and opportunity. Plus all your non-revenue sports are now competing in what is essentially a bus league. Travel costs go down, opportunity goes up. That's the kind of party most ADs should be salivating for.

For Conference USA, the AAC, and the Sun Belt they've chased the traditional modalities: market size, TV eyes, populous areas etc. They've worked under the illusion that a broadcast company is going to reimburse them for the reach of their media markets. That's gotten them to where they are now, millions of dollars behind the Power 5. The illusion is that Old Dominion brings ESPN or Fox the Norfolk area. It doesn't. The same way that SMU or North Texas or even TCU don't bring ESPN the Metroplex on a silver platter. TV execs know where the value is and what drives ratings and for eastern Virginia it's the University of Virginia, Virginia Tech or North Carolina. Texas, Texas A&M and OU bring eyes from the Metroplex. Florida and Florida deliver the greater Miami area if at all, not FAU or FIU..."

"...If the Power 5's have beaten you to the punch on exposure from TV deals, then beat them to the punch in the digital realm. It's the one area where the landscape is somewhat level. G-5 schools can have just as large a social media presence as anyone. In this day and age you have to, that's where your recruits are and where your alumni base is going. To not utilize the available formats and those that are emerging is a critical mistake.

UTSA had a very limited social media presence under Larry Coker, Frank Wilson has redoubled those efforts. Seth Littrell has executed a similar social media revolution at North Texas. SMU has a dedicated video department for their football program. Tom Herman completely overhauled Houston's social media and content efforts making #HTownTakeOver a household phrase for college football fans. A coach that doesn't have a grasp on or vision for a social media strategy is bear hunting with a stick.

So too are G-5 Leagues that aren't willing to use alternate or nontraditional media as a tool for exposure..."

http://swcroundup.com/news/2017/4/11/a-p...ign=buffer

The statement that you can't build hate from across the country has been proven false by the 2000 miles of abhorrence between ODU and UTEP.

Something to keep in mind about being regional is that is the purpose of divisions. Perhaps our divisions are not quite as regional as they could be but they do help. Part of the problem is that the conference does not utilize the divisions nearly as well as it could.

But look at the old WAC days and who was UTEP's biggest rival by far? The only school in the conference that was a bus ride away. New Mexico. Before that maybe Arizona. Am I right on that?

First of all, I should have added a smile emoticon after that statement.

As for UNM and Arizona, yes those were the two closest rivals in the old WAC with UNM the most hated. But there were strong feelings in El Paso towards BYU, Arizona St and Wyoming too. Later Fresno St was disliked (in a good way) quite a bit but the most hated rival of all is NMSU. And I'm sure having just 40 miles between the two schools has a lot to do with it. That rivalry continues in all sports as OOC play and that makes it even more heated, imho.

I didn't mention NMSU as you guys were in different conferences but that would be the most obvious and it's not surprising that UTEP considers them its most heated rival. If all was right (and obvious) in college football, UTEP would be in a conference with NMSU, UNM, Arizona, Arizona St, & Texas Tech. Basically, the old Border Conference. Just like Nebraska should be in a conference with Missouri, KSU, KU and ISU and WV and Pitt and Utah and BYU should be in the same conferences. Chasing TV $ has ruined so many great regional conferences and rivalry games that put actual butts in the seats.
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(04-14-2017 11:39 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  This is why I usually post and talk about "organic revenue". Not only does FIU not bring the Miami television market, but their entire athletic program only generates about $5 million of actual non-subsidized revenue.

The 8 public AAC schools (in 2014-15) generated on average $28 million of organic revenue each.
The 12 MWC schools generated an average of $21 million of organic revenue each.
The 13 public C-USA schools (without Rice) are generating $12 million of organic revenue apiece. (with FIU being a major outlier)
The Sun Belt's football schools are at $9.3 million of organic revenue.
The MAC's 12 are at $8.5 million each.

So, what G5 programs are moving the most dollars? Who's getting the most people actually through the turnstiles? Who's getting local business sponsors and who's able to bring eyeballs to any kind of a TV deal? Well, here's the list in order of revenue generation among C-USA, Sun Belt, MAC (in millions), essentially the list of how valuable the programs are. My thought is that the top 8 or 9 schools from this list need to go form their own thing. The top 8 on this list would average about $14.4m in organic revenue.

ODU ($15.5)
Louisiana-Lafayette ($15.2)
Southern Miss ($15.2)
Arkansas State ($15.2)
Marshall ($14.9)
UTEP ($13.9)
UTSA ($13.0)
La Tech ($12.5)
UAB ($12.3)
MTSU ($12.2)
FAU ($11.9)
Toledo ($11.2)
North Texas ($11.2)
WKU ($10.7)
Charlotte ($10.5)
Texas State ($10.4)
Appalachian State ($10.2)
NIU ($9.9)
Ohio ($9.9)
Akron ($9.7)
Miami (Ohio) (9.2)
Bowling Green ($8.9)
Western Michigan ($8.9)
Louisiana-Monroe ($8.7)
Central Michigan ($8.4)
South Alabama ($8.2)
Georgia Southern ($7.3)
Georgia State ($6.7)
Kent State ($6.7)
Eastern Michigan ($6.6)
Troy ($6.6)
Ball State ($5.6)
FIU ($4.9)
Coastal Carolina ($4.4)

When you look at the top 17 public G5 schools using this metric, all teams east of Texas are in the AAC and all teams west are in the MWC. This list correlates to the list in the order of which schools were added to the AAC. This is how you maximize value in a conference - look at how can and is generating activity and non-subsidized revenue and roll with them. 12 is no longer the ideal number for FBS conference - it just adds to the number of ways the pot is split up.


Where are you getting your figures from? I knew Ark St was a one time thing and that's why I even looked at the numbers.

I checked 5 schools on that list and...

Ticket Sales, Contributions, Rights / Licensing

Unless I'm mistaken you can lower the 2015 CUSA schools Rights / Licensing by 1 million because during that period you were getting money from the old TV contract and a added amount from the exit fees. I don't know about ODU or if they were getting a full share...I don't believe so.

[Image: ARK%20ST%20MONEY_zpsyqga0wur.jpg]

Marshall's total is $12,988,561 you list Marshall ($14.9)


[Image: MARSHALL%20MONEY_zpsxk2ckgjh.jpg]


UAB'S total is $10,305,605 you list UAB ($12.3)

[Image: UAB%20MONEY_zpsdca9k0e5.jpg]


S.MISS total is $12,250,206 you list Southern Miss ($15.2)

[Image: S.MISS%20MONEY_zpshkzqgwru.jpg]

ODU total is $14,090,843 you list ODU ($15.5)

[Image: ODU%20MONEY_zpsqcffzm1h.jpg]
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RE: Surviving in a G5 World
(04-14-2017 01:08 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 10:33 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  Nice article...

"...You have to find another way to your destination. So learn to live in a new world, create your own party, but one that works economically. That means a geographically and economically sustainable model that probably doesn't include traveling to Virginia, North Carolina and Florida regularly. It also would include pairing yourselves with some teams that aren't your first choice. There's no reason that the seven Texas G-5 teams couldn't get together with some combination of the Louisiana G-5's and Tulsa or Southern Miss to form a functional and fun league. We could call it the Cajun-Cowboy League. Just workshopping. Those school all share geography, recruiting territory, and have natural or budding rivalries. TV sets didn't make Texas and OU an event, proximity and culture did. Good old fashioned hate did. That can't be manufactured from across the country.

Geographically based leagues also give your fan base the opportunity to see your product more easily. Flying into Boca Raton restricts access and opportunity. Plus all your non-revenue sports are now competing in what is essentially a bus league. Travel costs go down, opportunity goes up. That's the kind of party most ADs should be salivating for.

For Conference USA, the AAC, and the Sun Belt they've chased the traditional modalities: market size, TV eyes, populous areas etc. They've worked under the illusion that a broadcast company is going to reimburse them for the reach of their media markets. That's gotten them to where they are now, millions of dollars behind the Power 5. The illusion is that Old Dominion brings ESPN or Fox the Norfolk area. It doesn't. The same way that SMU or North Texas or even TCU don't bring ESPN the Metroplex on a silver platter. TV execs know where the value is and what drives ratings and for eastern Virginia it's the University of Virginia, Virginia Tech or North Carolina. Texas, Texas A&M and OU bring eyes from the Metroplex. Florida and Florida deliver the greater Miami area if at all, not FAU or FIU..."

"...If the Power 5's have beaten you to the punch on exposure from TV deals, then beat them to the punch in the digital realm. It's the one area where the landscape is somewhat level. G-5 schools can have just as large a social media presence as anyone. In this day and age you have to, that's where your recruits are and where your alumni base is going. To not utilize the available formats and those that are emerging is a critical mistake.

UTSA had a very limited social media presence under Larry Coker, Frank Wilson has redoubled those efforts. Seth Littrell has executed a similar social media revolution at North Texas. SMU has a dedicated video department for their football program. Tom Herman completely overhauled Houston's social media and content efforts making #HTownTakeOver a household phrase for college football fans. A coach that doesn't have a grasp on or vision for a social media strategy is bear hunting with a stick.

So too are G-5 Leagues that aren't willing to use alternate or nontraditional media as a tool for exposure..."

http://swcroundup.com/news/2017/4/11/a-p...ign=buffer

The statement that you can't build hate from across the country has been proven false by the 2000 miles of abhorrence between ODU and UTEP.

Something to keep in mind about being regional is that is the purpose of divisions. Perhaps our divisions are not quite as regional as they could be but they do help. Part of the problem is that the conference does not utilize the divisions nearly as well as it could.
You're not going to have people from across the country at your water cooler at work. You're not going to see their personalized license plate in front of you on the highway. That's the difference. I work with people who are GS and Troy grads.

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RE: Surviving in a G5 World
(04-15-2017 10:31 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 11:39 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  This is why I usually post and talk about "organic revenue". Not only does FIU not bring the Miami television market, but their entire athletic program only generates about $5 million of actual non-subsidized revenue.

The 8 public AAC schools (in 2014-15) generated on average $28 million of organic revenue each.
The 12 MWC schools generated an average of $21 million of organic revenue each.
The 13 public C-USA schools (without Rice) are generating $12 million of organic revenue apiece. (with FIU being a major outlier)
The Sun Belt's football schools are at $9.3 million of organic revenue.
The MAC's 12 are at $8.5 million each.

So, what G5 programs are moving the most dollars? Who's getting the most people actually through the turnstiles? Who's getting local business sponsors and who's able to bring eyeballs to any kind of a TV deal? Well, here's the list in order of revenue generation among C-USA, Sun Belt, MAC (in millions), essentially the list of how valuable the programs are. My thought is that the top 8 or 9 schools from this list need to go form their own thing. The top 8 on this list would average about $14.4m in organic revenue.

ODU ($15.5)
Louisiana-Lafayette ($15.2)
Southern Miss ($15.2)
Arkansas State ($15.2)
Marshall ($14.9)
UTEP ($13.9)
UTSA ($13.0)
La Tech ($12.5)
UAB ($12.3)
MTSU ($12.2)
FAU ($11.9)
Toledo ($11.2)
North Texas ($11.2)
WKU ($10.7)
Charlotte ($10.5)
Texas State ($10.4)
Appalachian State ($10.2)
NIU ($9.9)
Ohio ($9.9)
Akron ($9.7)
Miami (Ohio) (9.2)
Bowling Green ($8.9)
Western Michigan ($8.9)
Louisiana-Monroe ($8.7)
Central Michigan ($8.4)
South Alabama ($8.2)
Georgia Southern ($7.3)
Georgia State ($6.7)
Kent State ($6.7)
Eastern Michigan ($6.6)
Troy ($6.6)
Ball State ($5.6)
FIU ($4.9)
Coastal Carolina ($4.4)

When you look at the top 17 public G5 schools using this metric, all teams east of Texas are in the AAC and all teams west are in the MWC. This list correlates to the list in the order of which schools were added to the AAC. This is how you maximize value in a conference - look at how can and is generating activity and non-subsidized revenue and roll with them. 12 is no longer the ideal number for FBS conference - it just adds to the number of ways the pot is split up.


Where are you getting your figures from? I knew Ark St was a one time thing and that's why I even looked at the numbers.

I checked 5 schools on that list and...

Ticket Sales, Contributions, Rights / Licensing

Unless I'm mistaken you can lower the 2015 CUSA schools Rights / Licensing by 1.5 million because during that period you were getting money from the old TV contract and a added amount from the exit fees.

[Image: ARK%20ST%20MONEY_zpsyqga0wur.jpg]


[Image: MARSHALL%20MONEY_zpsxk2ckgjh.jpg]

[Image: UAB%20MONEY_zpsdca9k0e5.jpg]

[Image: S.MISS%20MONEY_zpshkzqgwru.jpg]

[Image: ODU%20MONEY_zpsqcffzm1h.jpg]


Looks like total revenue minus subsidy. So things like guarantees would also be included. Basically the "Other" category is added in.
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(04-15-2017 10:41 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 10:31 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 11:39 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  This is why I usually post and talk about "organic revenue". Not only does FIU not bring the Miami television market, but their entire athletic program only generates about $5 million of actual non-subsidized revenue.

The 8 public AAC schools (in 2014-15) generated on average $28 million of organic revenue each.
The 12 MWC schools generated an average of $21 million of organic revenue each.
The 13 public C-USA schools (without Rice) are generating $12 million of organic revenue apiece. (with FIU being a major outlier)
The Sun Belt's football schools are at $9.3 million of organic revenue.
The MAC's 12 are at $8.5 million each.

So, what G5 programs are moving the most dollars? Who's getting the most people actually through the turnstiles? Who's getting local business sponsors and who's able to bring eyeballs to any kind of a TV deal? Well, here's the list in order of revenue generation among C-USA, Sun Belt, MAC (in millions), essentially the list of how valuable the programs are. My thought is that the top 8 or 9 schools from this list need to go form their own thing. The top 8 on this list would average about $14.4m in organic revenue.

ODU ($15.5)
Louisiana-Lafayette ($15.2)
Southern Miss ($15.2)
Arkansas State ($15.2)
Marshall ($14.9)
UTEP ($13.9)
UTSA ($13.0)
La Tech ($12.5)
UAB ($12.3)
MTSU ($12.2)
FAU ($11.9)
Toledo ($11.2)
North Texas ($11.2)
WKU ($10.7)
Charlotte ($10.5)
Texas State ($10.4)
Appalachian State ($10.2)
NIU ($9.9)
Ohio ($9.9)
Akron ($9.7)
Miami (Ohio) (9.2)
Bowling Green ($8.9)
Western Michigan ($8.9)
Louisiana-Monroe ($8.7)
Central Michigan ($8.4)
South Alabama ($8.2)
Georgia Southern ($7.3)
Georgia State ($6.7)
Kent State ($6.7)
Eastern Michigan ($6.6)
Troy ($6.6)
Ball State ($5.6)
FIU ($4.9)
Coastal Carolina ($4.4)

When you look at the top 17 public G5 schools using this metric, all teams east of Texas are in the AAC and all teams west are in the MWC. This list correlates to the list in the order of which schools were added to the AAC. This is how you maximize value in a conference - look at how can and is generating activity and non-subsidized revenue and roll with them. 12 is no longer the ideal number for FBS conference - it just adds to the number of ways the pot is split up.


Where are you getting your figures from? I knew Ark St was a one time thing and that's why I even looked at the numbers.

I checked 5 schools on that list and...

Ticket Sales, Contributions, Rights / Licensing

Unless I'm mistaken you can lower the 2015 CUSA schools Rights / Licensing by 1.5 million because during that period you were getting money from the old TV contract and a added amount from the exit fees.

[Image: ARK%20ST%20MONEY_zpsyqga0wur.jpg]


[Image: MARSHALL%20MONEY_zpsxk2ckgjh.jpg]

[Image: UAB%20MONEY_zpsdca9k0e5.jpg]

[Image: S.MISS%20MONEY_zpshkzqgwru.jpg]

[Image: ODU%20MONEY_zpsqcffzm1h.jpg]


Looks like total revenue minus subsidy. So things like guarantees would also be included. Basically the "Other" category is added in.

Others could mean anything and all over the map from year to year. 2014 Western listed $4,538,034 compared to $1,562,056 in 2015...

I wouldn't list it as self supporting revenue unless I knew where it was coming from. It could be one time items...like coach buyout and any other item. But I do see the OP used it and there is the difference in my numbers and his
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(04-14-2017 10:33 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  Nice article...

"...You have to find another way to your destination. So learn to live in a new world, create your own party, but one that works economically. That means a geographically and economically sustainable model that probably doesn't include traveling to Virginia, North Carolina and Florida regularly. It also would include pairing yourselves with some teams that aren't your first choice. There's no reason that the seven Texas G-5 teams couldn't get together with some combination of the Louisiana G-5's and Tulsa or Southern Miss to form a functional and fun league. We could call it the Cajun-Cowboy League. Just workshopping. Those school all share geography, recruiting territory, and have natural or budding rivalries. TV sets didn't make Texas and OU an event, proximity and culture did. Good old fashioned hate did. That can't be manufactured from across the country.

Geographically based leagues also give your fan base the opportunity to see your product more easily. Flying into Boca Raton restricts access and opportunity. Plus all your non-revenue sports are now competing in what is essentially a bus league. Travel costs go down, opportunity goes up. That's the kind of party most ADs should be salivating for.

For Conference USA, the AAC, and the Sun Belt they've chased the traditional modalities: market size, TV eyes, populous areas etc. They've worked under the illusion that a broadcast company is going to reimburse them for the reach of their media markets. That's gotten them to where they are now, millions of dollars behind the Power 5. The illusion is that Old Dominion brings ESPN or Fox the Norfolk area. It doesn't. The same way that SMU or North Texas or even TCU don't bring ESPN the Metroplex on a silver platter. TV execs know where the value is and what drives ratings and for eastern Virginia it's the University of Virginia, Virginia Tech or North Carolina. Texas, Texas A&M and OU bring eyes from the Metroplex. Florida and Florida deliver the greater Miami area if at all, not FAU or FIU..."

"...If the Power 5's have beaten you to the punch on exposure from TV deals, then beat them to the punch in the digital realm. It's the one area where the landscape is somewhat level. G-5 schools can have just as large a social media presence as anyone. In this day and age you have to, that's where your recruits are and where your alumni base is going. To not utilize the available formats and those that are emerging is a critical mistake.

UTSA had a very limited social media presence under Larry Coker, Frank Wilson has redoubled those efforts. Seth Littrell has executed a similar social media revolution at North Texas. SMU has a dedicated video department for their football program. Tom Herman completely overhauled Houston's social media and content efforts making #HTownTakeOver a household phrase for college football fans. A coach that doesn't have a grasp on or vision for a social media strategy is bear hunting with a stick.

So too are G-5 Leagues that aren't willing to use alternate or nontraditional media as a tool for exposure..."

http://swcroundup.com/news/2017/4/11/a-p...ign=buffer

A lot of schools are probably not yet ready to hear it, but the guy makes a ton of good points. I suspect that this is coming eventually. Probably sooner rather than later if the next AAC media deal is a bust. If that group can't make at least 4-6 million a school, they may need to decide if all the traveling, mid-week games, and 11am kick offs are worth it for 2 million a school.
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I did use 2015 USA Today Revenue and Expenditures Database you referenced. Subsidized revenues are the student fee and state subsidies. I use "organic revenue" as that is a measure used to evaluate in these decisions.

CUSA 2.0 got the largest organic revenue generators available to them at the time.
The AAC's expansion list basically went in order of organic revenue. Who know who was the only non-football school with a larger organic revenue than every CUSA program? Wichita State... and I just read something about them in the news this past week...
MWC? 10 schools ahead of every CUSA school. Two in the thick of current CUSA.

The only conference that hasn't folllowed the organic revenue correlation in the last 15 years? CUSA 3.0... who wanted to instead go and brag that our home markets had 40% more population than before. Conference revenue results have been... disappointing.
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(04-14-2017 10:33 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  Nice article...

"...You have to find another way to your destination. So learn to live in a new world, create your own party, but one that works economically. That means a geographically and economically sustainable model that probably doesn't include traveling to Virginia, North Carolina and Florida regularly. It also would include pairing yourselves with some teams that aren't your first choice. There's no reason that the seven Texas G-5 teams couldn't get together with some combination of the Louisiana G-5's and Tulsa or Southern Miss to form a functional and fun league. We could call it the Cajun-Cowboy League. Just workshopping. Those school all share geography, recruiting territory, and have natural or budding rivalries. TV sets didn't make Texas and OU an event, proximity and culture did. Good old fashioned hate did. That can't be manufactured from across the country.

Geographically based leagues also give your fan base the opportunity to see your product more easily. Flying into Boca Raton restricts access and opportunity. Plus all your non-revenue sports are now competing in what is essentially a bus league. Travel costs go down, opportunity goes up. That's the kind of party most ADs should be salivating for.

For Conference USA, the AAC, and the Sun Belt they've chased the traditional modalities: market size, TV eyes, populous areas etc. They've worked under the illusion that a broadcast company is going to reimburse them for the reach of their media markets. That's gotten them to where they are now, millions of dollars behind the Power 5. The illusion is that Old Dominion brings ESPN or Fox the Norfolk area. It doesn't. The same way that SMU or North Texas or even TCU don't bring ESPN the Metroplex on a silver platter. TV execs know where the value is and what drives ratings and for eastern Virginia it's the University of Virginia, Virginia Tech or North Carolina. Texas, Texas A&M and OU bring eyes from the Metroplex. Florida and Florida deliver the greater Miami area if at all, not FAU or FIU..."

"...If the Power 5's have beaten you to the punch on exposure from TV deals, then beat them to the punch in the digital realm. It's the one area where the landscape is somewhat level. G-5 schools can have just as large a social media presence as anyone. In this day and age you have to, that's where your recruits are and where your alumni base is going. To not utilize the available formats and those that are emerging is a critical mistake.

UTSA had a very limited social media presence under Larry Coker, Frank Wilson has redoubled those efforts. Seth Littrell has executed a similar social media revolution at North Texas. SMU has a dedicated video department for their football program. Tom Herman completely overhauled Houston's social media and content efforts making #HTownTakeOver a household phrase for college football fans. A coach that doesn't have a grasp on or vision for a social media strategy is bear hunting with a stick.

So too are G-5 Leagues that aren't willing to use alternate or nontraditional media as a tool for exposure..."

http://swcroundup.com/news/2017/4/11/a-p...ign=buffer

A lot of schools are probably not yet ready to hear it, but the guy makes a ton of good points. I suspect that this is coming eventually. Probably sooner rather than later if the next AAC media deal is a bust. If that group can't make at least 4-6 million s school, they may need t decide if all the traveling, mid-week games, and 11am kick offs are worth it for 2 million a school.

I agree 100%. What scares me more is this: ESPN offers AAC 2.75 to 3 mil a school a year. We got a raise!...good news right? Wrong. The BE legacy money goes away in less than 3 years. We need at least 5 million a year from ESPN to offset the legacy $ going away, and to continue to play mid week games on ESPN news/classic/U. That's not going to cut it this next time. AAC schools have spent MAJOR money on facilities the past few years banking on better TV money. (Or a P5 invite) If it doesn't happen, there are some schools like Houston and Uconn that are absolutely screwed. There are major debts to pay.
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(04-15-2017 06:08 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 01:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 10:33 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  Nice article...

"...You have to find another way to your destination. So learn to live in a new world, create your own party, but one that works economically. That means a geographically and economically sustainable model that probably doesn't include traveling to Virginia, North Carolina and Florida regularly. It also would include pairing yourselves with some teams that aren't your first choice. There's no reason that the seven Texas G-5 teams couldn't get together with some combination of the Louisiana G-5's and Tulsa or Southern Miss to form a functional and fun league. We could call it the Cajun-Cowboy League. Just workshopping. Those school all share geography, recruiting territory, and have natural or budding rivalries. TV sets didn't make Texas and OU an event, proximity and culture did. Good old fashioned hate did. That can't be manufactured from across the country. A that point, a lot of AD's might be looking to take a different tack.

Geographically based leagues also give your fan base the opportunity to see your product more easily. Flying into Boca Raton restricts access and opportunity. Plus all your non-revenue sports are now competing in what is essentially a bus league. Travel costs go down, opportunity goes up. That's the kind of party most ADs should be salivating for.

For Conference USA, the AAC, and the Sun Belt they've chased the traditional modalities: market size, TV eyes, populous areas etc. They've worked under the illusion that a broadcast company is going to reimburse them for the reach of their media markets. That's gotten them to where they are now, millions of dollars behind the Power 5. The illusion is that Old Dominion brings ESPN or Fox the Norfolk area. It doesn't. The same way that SMU or North Texas or even TCU don't bring ESPN the Metroplex on a silver platter. TV execs know where the value is and what drives ratings and for eastern Virginia it's the University of Virginia, Virginia Tech or North Carolina. Texas, Texas A&M and OU bring eyes from the Metroplex. Florida and Florida deliver the greater Miami area if at all, not FAU or FIU..."

"...If the Power 5's have beaten you to the punch on exposure from TV deals, then beat them to the punch in the digital realm. It's the one area where the landscape is somewhat level. G-5 schools can have just as large a social media presence as anyone. In this day and age you have to, that's where your recruits are and where your alumni base is going. To not utilize the available formats and those that are emerging is a critical mistake.

UTSA had a very limited social media presence under Larry Coker, Frank Wilson has redoubled those efforts. Seth Littrell has executed a similar social media revolution at North Texas. SMU has a dedicated video department for their football program. Tom Herman completely overhauled Houston's social media and content efforts making #HTownTakeOver a household phrase for college football fans. A coach that doesn't have a grasp on or vision for a social media strategy is bear hunting with a stick.

So too are G-5 Leagues that aren't willing to use alternate or nontraditional media as a tool for exposure..."

http://swcroundup.com/news/2017/4/11/a-p...ign=buffer

A lot of schools are probably not yet ready to hear it, but the guy makes a ton of good points. I suspect that this is coming eventually. Probably sooner rather than later if the next AAC media deal is a bust. If that group can't make at least 4-6 million s school, they may need t decide if all the traveling, mid-week games, and 11am kick offs are worth it for 2 million a school.

I agree 100%. What scares me more is this: ESPN offers AAC 2.75 to 3 mil a school a year. We got a raise!...good news right? Wrong. The BE legacy money goes away in less than 3 years. We need at least 5 million a year from ESPN to offset the legacy $ going away, and to continue to play mid week games on ESPN news/classic/U. That's not going to cut it this next time. AAC schools have spent MAJOR money on facilities the past few years banking on better TV money. If it doesn't happen, there are some schools like Houston and Uconn that are absolutely screwed. There are major debts to pay.

The AAC represents a group of schools that have largely gone "all in" with extensive facilities improvements and high dollar coaching hires. That's why I say, if that G5 group with the ratings they have posted cant land a 5-6 million media deal----then there's probably not much point in a spread out G5 conference model anymore. If the AAC's next deal is a bust, they could be willing to look at the regional concept. That might be the tipping point for a lot of G5 schools in other conferences as other AD's would conclude that grouping with schools based on markets and big athletic budgets ("big" for G5 schools) wont generate media money--then maybe there just isn't any G5 media money to be had. Might be a lot of G5 AD's looking to take a different tack if that happens.
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(04-15-2017 06:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 06:08 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 01:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 10:33 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  Nice article...

"...You have to find another way to your destination. So learn to live in a new world, create your own party, but one that works economically. That means a geographically and economically sustainable model that probably doesn't include traveling to Virginia, North Carolina and Florida regularly. It also would include pairing yourselves with some teams that aren't your first choice. There's no reason that the seven Texas G-5 teams couldn't get together with some combination of the Louisiana G-5's and Tulsa or Southern Miss to form a functional and fun league. We could call it the Cajun-Cowboy League. Just workshopping. Those school all share geography, recruiting territory, and have natural or budding rivalries. TV sets didn't make Texas and OU an event, proximity and culture did. Good old fashioned hate did. That can't be manufactured from across the country. A that point, a lot of AD's might be looking to take a different tack.

Geographically based leagues also give your fan base the opportunity to see your product more easily. Flying into Boca Raton restricts access and opportunity. Plus all your non-revenue sports are now competing in what is essentially a bus league. Travel costs go down, opportunity goes up. That's the kind of party most ADs should be salivating for.

For Conference USA, the AAC, and the Sun Belt they've chased the traditional modalities: market size, TV eyes, populous areas etc. They've worked under the illusion that a broadcast company is going to reimburse them for the reach of their media markets. That's gotten them to where they are now, millions of dollars behind the Power 5. The illusion is that Old Dominion brings ESPN or Fox the Norfolk area. It doesn't. The same way that SMU or North Texas or even TCU don't bring ESPN the Metroplex on a silver platter. TV execs know where the value is and what drives ratings and for eastern Virginia it's the University of Virginia, Virginia Tech or North Carolina. Texas, Texas A&M and OU bring eyes from the Metroplex. Florida and Florida deliver the greater Miami area if at all, not FAU or FIU..."

"...If the Power 5's have beaten you to the punch on exposure from TV deals, then beat them to the punch in the digital realm. It's the one area where the landscape is somewhat level. G-5 schools can have just as large a social media presence as anyone. In this day and age you have to, that's where your recruits are and where your alumni base is going. To not utilize the available formats and those that are emerging is a critical mistake.

UTSA had a very limited social media presence under Larry Coker, Frank Wilson has redoubled those efforts. Seth Littrell has executed a similar social media revolution at North Texas. SMU has a dedicated video department for their football program. Tom Herman completely overhauled Houston's social media and content efforts making #HTownTakeOver a household phrase for college football fans. A coach that doesn't have a grasp on or vision for a social media strategy is bear hunting with a stick.

So too are G-5 Leagues that aren't willing to use alternate or nontraditional media as a tool for exposure..."

http://swcroundup.com/news/2017/4/11/a-p...ign=buffer

A lot of schools are probably not yet ready to hear it, but the guy makes a ton of good points. I suspect that this is coming eventually. Probably sooner rather than later if the next AAC media deal is a bust. If that group can't make at least 4-6 million s school, they may need t decide if all the traveling, mid-week games, and 11am kick offs are worth it for 2 million a school.

I agree 100%. What scares me more is this: ESPN offers AAC 2.75 to 3 mil a school a year. We got a raise!...good news right? Wrong. The BE legacy money goes away in less than 3 years. We need at least 5 million a year from ESPN to offset the legacy $ going away, and to continue to play mid week games on ESPN news/classic/U. That's not going to cut it this next time. AAC schools have spent MAJOR money on facilities the past few years banking on better TV money. If it doesn't happen, there are some schools like Houston and Uconn that are absolutely screwed. There are major debts to pay.

The AAC represents a group of schools that have largely gone "all in" with extensive facilities improvements and high dollar coaching hires. That's why I say, if that G5 group with the ratings they have posted cant land a 5-6 million media deal----then there's probably not much point in a spread out G5 conference model anymore. If the AAC's next deal is a bust, they could be willing to look at the regional concept. That might be the tipping point for a lot of G5 schools in other conferences as other AD's would conclude that grouping with schools based on markets and big athletic budgets ("big" for G5 schools) wont generate media money--then maybe there just isn't any G5 media money to be had. Might be a lot of G5 AD's looking to take a different tack if that happens.

There's already movement on this different tack. I see it with CBS-SN who is getting the best of the rest G5 games. If they get a streaming option going, I could see them being big. Im wondering if they bid for CUSA rights for 2018 with this in mind...
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(04-15-2017 09:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 06:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 06:08 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 01:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-14-2017 10:33 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  Nice article...

"...You have to find another way to your destination. So learn to live in a new world, create your own party, but one that works economically. That means a geographically and economically sustainable model that probably doesn't include traveling to Virginia, North Carolina and Florida regularly. It also would include pairing yourselves with some teams that aren't your first choice. There's no reason that the seven Texas G-5 teams couldn't get together with some combination of the Louisiana G-5's and Tulsa or Southern Miss to form a functional and fun league. We could call it the Cajun-Cowboy League. Just workshopping. Those school all share geography, recruiting territory, and have natural or budding rivalries. TV sets didn't make Texas and OU an event, proximity and culture did. Good old fashioned hate did. That can't be manufactured from across the country. A that point, a lot of AD's might be looking to take a different tack.

Geographically based leagues also give your fan base the opportunity to see your product more easily. Flying into Boca Raton restricts access and opportunity. Plus all your non-revenue sports are now competing in what is essentially a bus league. Travel costs go down, opportunity goes up. That's the kind of party most ADs should be salivating for.

For Conference USA, the AAC, and the Sun Belt they've chased the traditional modalities: market size, TV eyes, populous areas etc. They've worked under the illusion that a broadcast company is going to reimburse them for the reach of their media markets. That's gotten them to where they are now, millions of dollars behind the Power 5. The illusion is that Old Dominion brings ESPN or Fox the Norfolk area. It doesn't. The same way that SMU or North Texas or even TCU don't bring ESPN the Metroplex on a silver platter. TV execs know where the value is and what drives ratings and for eastern Virginia it's the University of Virginia, Virginia Tech or North Carolina. Texas, Texas A&M and OU bring eyes from the Metroplex. Florida and Florida deliver the greater Miami area if at all, not FAU or FIU..."

"...If the Power 5's have beaten you to the punch on exposure from TV deals, then beat them to the punch in the digital realm. It's the one area where the landscape is somewhat level. G-5 schools can have just as large a social media presence as anyone. In this day and age you have to, that's where your recruits are and where your alumni base is going. To not utilize the available formats and those that are emerging is a critical mistake.

UTSA had a very limited social media presence under Larry Coker, Frank Wilson has redoubled those efforts. Seth Littrell has executed a similar social media revolution at North Texas. SMU has a dedicated video department for their football program. Tom Herman completely overhauled Houston's social media and content efforts making #HTownTakeOver a household phrase for college football fans. A coach that doesn't have a grasp on or vision for a social media strategy is bear hunting with a stick.

So too are G-5 Leagues that aren't willing to use alternate or nontraditional media as a tool for exposure..."

http://swcroundup.com/news/2017/4/11/a-p...ign=buffer

A lot of schools are probably not yet ready to hear it, but the guy makes a ton of good points. I suspect that this is coming eventually. Probably sooner rather than later if the next AAC media deal is a bust. If that group can't make at least 4-6 million s school, they may need t decide if all the traveling, mid-week games, and 11am kick offs are worth it for 2 million a school.

I agree 100%. What scares me more is this: ESPN offers AAC 2.75 to 3 mil a school a year. We got a raise!...good news right? Wrong. The BE legacy money goes away in less than 3 years. We need at least 5 million a year from ESPN to offset the legacy $ going away, and to continue to play mid week games on ESPN news/classic/U. That's not going to cut it this next time. AAC schools have spent MAJOR money on facilities the past few years banking on better TV money. If it doesn't happen, there are some schools like Houston and Uconn that are absolutely screwed. There are major debts to pay.

The AAC represents a group of schools that have largely gone "all in" with extensive facilities improvements and high dollar coaching hires. That's why I say, if that G5 group with the ratings they have posted cant land a 5-6 million media deal----then there's probably not much point in a spread out G5 conference model anymore. If the AAC's next deal is a bust, they could be willing to look at the regional concept. That might be the tipping point for a lot of G5 schools in other conferences as other AD's would conclude that grouping with schools based on markets and big athletic budgets ("big" for G5 schools) wont generate media money--then maybe there just isn't any G5 media money to be had. Might be a lot of G5 AD's looking to take a different tack if that happens.

There's already movement on this different tack. I see it with CBS-SN who is getting the best of the rest G5 games. If they get a streaming option going, I could see them being big. Im wondering if they bid for CUSA rights for 2018 with this in mind...

Ehh. They already had those games. CBS-Sports had rights to CUSA, MAC, MW, and AAC games. They also had Navy and Army games. All they needed to do is to buy the rights for a handful of Sunbelt games. Once they did that, CBS-Sports would have been perfectly positioned to add G5 talking head shows and a "G5 Game Day" type show on Saturday mornings to become the destination network for all G5 fans. If they added a robust streaming option, they could have picked up even more rights in the next cycle. CBS-Sports may have missed their chance. Maybe ASN/Campus Insiders might take a shot at it now.

Sure, the G5 cant draw as many folks as ESPN, but 65 G5 fan bases all together, are far bigger than any single power conference--maybe even 2. its not like anyone is watching CBS-Sports when they are not broadcasting a live event. So, capturing a relatively large, loyal, affluent, college educated audience isn't exactly the worst thing a network can do. Given that the G5 audience is largely ignored by everyone else--it would not be hard to gain that audience fairly quickly. Think of it as the Fox News strategy of network programming.
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(04-15-2017 10:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 09:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 06:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 06:08 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 01:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  A lot of schools are probably not yet ready to hear it, but the guy makes a ton of good points. I suspect that this is coming eventually. Probably sooner rather than later if the next AAC media deal is a bust. If that group can't make at least 4-6 million s school, they may need t decide if all the traveling, mid-week games, and 11am kick offs are worth it for 2 million a school.

I agree 100%. What scares me more is this: ESPN offers AAC 2.75 to 3 mil a school a year. We got a raise!...good news right? Wrong. The BE legacy money goes away in less than 3 years. We need at least 5 million a year from ESPN to offset the legacy $ going away, and to continue to play mid week games on ESPN news/classic/U. That's not going to cut it this next time. AAC schools have spent MAJOR money on facilities the past few years banking on better TV money. If it doesn't happen, there are some schools like Houston and Uconn that are absolutely screwed. There are major debts to pay.

The AAC represents a group of schools that have largely gone "all in" with extensive facilities improvements and high dollar coaching hires. That's why I say, if that G5 group with the ratings they have posted cant land a 5-6 million media deal----then there's probably not much point in a spread out G5 conference model anymore. If the AAC's next deal is a bust, they could be willing to look at the regional concept. That might be the tipping point for a lot of G5 schools in other conferences as other AD's would conclude that grouping with schools based on markets and big athletic budgets ("big" for G5 schools) wont generate media money--then maybe there just isn't any G5 media money to be had. Might be a lot of G5 AD's looking to take a different tack if that happens.

There's already movement on this different tack. I see it with CBS-SN who is getting the best of the rest G5 games. If they get a streaming option going, I could see them being big. Im wondering if they bid for CUSA rights for 2018 with this in mind...

Ehh. They already had those games. CBS-Sports had rights to CUSA, MAC, MW, and AAC games. They also had Navy and Army games. All they needed to do is to buy the rights for a handful of Sunbelt games. Once they did that, CBS-Sports would have been perfectly positioned to add G5 talking head shows and a "G5 Game Day" type show on Saturday mornings to become the destination network for all G5 fans. If they added a robust streaming option, they could have picked up even more rights in the next cycle. CBS-Sports may have missed their chance. Maybe ASN/Campus Insiders might take a shot at it now.

Sure, the G5 cant draw as many folks as ESPN, but 65 G5 fan bases all together, are far bigger than any single power conference--maybe even 2. its not like anyone is watching CBS-Sports when they are not broadcasting a live event. So, capturing a relatively large, loyal, affluent, college educated audience isn't exactly the worst thing a network can do. Given that the G5 audience is largely ignored by everyone else--it would not be hard to gain that audience fairly quickly. Think of it as the Fox News strategy of network programming.

To those younger guys out there, Fox News wasn't really mocked when it first started. It was ignored by the main stream media. Love them or hate, they can't be ignored now. In fact, they are number 1 in ratings. If another media group that we are part of could see espn usurped like Fox did to CNN, I'd love that.
Fox was created for an audience that felt ignored. It had been said that it wouldn't work because that audience wasn't very big anyway. Does this sound familiar?
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(04-15-2017 10:41 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 09:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 06:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-15-2017 06:08 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I agree 100%. What scares me more is this: ESPN offers AAC 2.75 to 3 mil a school a year. We got a raise!...good news right? Wrong. The BE legacy money goes away in less than 3 years. We need at least 5 million a year from ESPN to offset the legacy $ going away, and to continue to play mid week games on ESPN news/classic/U. That's not going to cut it this next time. AAC schools have spent MAJOR money on facilities the past few years banking on better TV money. If it doesn't happen, there are some schools like Houston and Uconn that are absolutely screwed. There are major debts to pay.

The AAC represents a group of schools that have largely gone "all in" with extensive facilities improvements and high dollar coaching hires. That's why I say, if that G5 group with the ratings they have posted cant land a 5-6 million media deal----then there's probably not much point in a spread out G5 conference model anymore. If the AAC's next deal is a bust, they could be willing to look at the regional concept. That might be the tipping point for a lot of G5 schools in other conferences as other AD's would conclude that grouping with schools based on markets and big athletic budgets ("big" for G5 schools) wont generate media money--then maybe there just isn't any G5 media money to be had. Might be a lot of G5 AD's looking to take a different tack if that happens.

There's already movement on this different tack. I see it with CBS-SN who is getting the best of the rest G5 games. If they get a streaming option going, I could see them being big. Im wondering if they bid for CUSA rights for 2018 with this in mind...

Ehh. They already had those games. CBS-Sports had rights to CUSA, MAC, MW, and AAC games. They also had Navy and Army games. All they needed to do is to buy the rights for a handful of Sunbelt games. Once they did that, CBS-Sports would have been perfectly positioned to add G5 talking head shows and a "G5 Game Day" type show on Saturday mornings to become the destination network for all G5 fans. If they added a robust streaming option, they could have picked up even more rights in the next cycle. CBS-Sports may have missed their chance. Maybe ASN/Campus Insiders might take a shot at it now.

Sure, the G5 cant draw as many folks as ESPN, but 65 G5 fan bases all together, are far bigger than any single power conference--maybe even 2. its not like anyone is watching CBS-Sports when they are not broadcasting a live event. So, capturing a relatively large, loyal, affluent, college educated audience isn't exactly the worst thing a network can do. Given that the G5 audience is largely ignored by everyone else--it would not be hard to gain that audience fairly quickly. Think of it as the Fox News strategy of network programming.

To those younger guys out there, Fox News wasn't really mocked when it first started. It was ignored by the main stream media. Love them or hate, they can't be ignored now. In fact, they are number 1 in ratings. If another media group that we are part of could see espn usurped like Fox did to CNN, I'd love that.
Fox was created for an audience that felt ignored. It had been said that it wouldn't work because that audience wasn't very big anyway. Does this sound familiar?

Good analogy. And I'd be surprised if the new AAC deal even pays $3 million (or even $2) per school, $5-6 seems impossible.
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is almost as bad as living in a material world..
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The Sun Belt and CUSA shouldn't sit and wait to see what happens to the AAC. My guess is that they continue to try to go it alone no matter what their next TV deal pays. If it's in the best interest of the two conferences to work something out, they should act. Make it happen. It could be one large conference with 24 members that still plays a football championship game, or just two new separate conferences with 12 members.
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(04-16-2017 10:52 PM)Ourland Wrote:  The Sun Belt and CUSA shouldn't sit and wait to see what happens to the AAC. My guess is that they continue to try to go it alone no matter what their next TV deal pays. If it's in the best interest of the two conferences to work something out, they should act. Make it happen. It could be one large conference with 24 members that still plays a football championship game, or just two new separate conferences with 12 members.
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RE: Surviving in a G5 World
I can't imagine anything messier than a 24- member mega conference, but if the presidents think it can work, what the hell? If not, two new conferences are formed, and a few leftovers drop to D2.
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RE: Surviving in a G5 World
(04-17-2017 01:12 AM)Ourland Wrote:  I can't imagine anything messier than a 24- member mega conference, but if the presidents think it can work, what the hell? If not, two new conferences are formed, and a few leftovers drop to D2.

First, that fixes nothing. Second, why would they drop to DII? I see no reason that anyone would do that. MAYBE a couple drop to FCS, but all the way to DII? No.

Can't wait for the season so we can talk about things other than doomsday scenarios made by a bored beat writer.
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RE: Surviving in a G5 World
(04-17-2017 01:37 AM)techdawg28 Wrote:  
(04-17-2017 01:12 AM)Ourland Wrote:  I can't imagine anything messier than a 24- member mega conference, but if the presidents think it can work, what the hell? If not, two new conferences are formed, and a few leftovers drop to D2.

First, that fixes nothing. Second, why would they drop to DII? I see no reason that anyone would do that. MAYBE a couple drop to FCS, but all the way to DII? No.

Can't wait for the season so we can talk about things other than doomsday scenarios made by a bored beat writer.

Hmm, I don't even see the article as a doomsday scenario. I saw it as more of a 'Here's where we are right now, and here's what we might be able to do to help'.
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