Two-parter here.
First part goes into the why anyone in either league should be in favor of changing things up
http://www.scout.com/college/arkansas-st...ment-craze

The second part is a number of ways to actually make it happen and a couple of important deadlines looming.
http://www.scout.com/college/arkansas-st...nment-work

Has Mohajir commented on this yet? Would be interesting to see what Sun Belt ADs think about these ideas. I'm guessing they aren't quite as warm to the idea of creating two new conferences.

TMo has said repeatedly that the southern G5's need to realign and find a better business model.

Excellent articles.We need to send a copy to every AD involved! Thank you.

If they formed new conferences what do y'all think the bowl tie ins would look like?

(04-12-2017 07:15 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  If they formed new conferences what do y'all think the bowl tie ins would look like?

East gets Bahamas, Boca, Cure, New Orleans, and an Alabama bowl... maybe backup the west in Arizona. West gets Hawaii, Dallas, New Orleans, New Mexico, Arizona, and other Alabama bowl?

If we are going to truly make this regional, then NMSU and UTEP need to be seriously debated.

It is closer for the Cajuns to go to Boone and Conway than it is to El Paso and Las Cruces.

There's nothing about those schools that are regional to the West except one is in Texas.

They need to go and talk with Craig Thompson.

Good articles arkstfan

(04-12-2017 08:46 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Good articles arkstfan

Thanks. I was worn out by the let's divide this way or that way.
I'm more interested in WHY it might happen and the process to make it happen.

(04-12-2017 07:22 PM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  If we are going to truly make this regional, then NMSU and UTEP need to be seriously debated.

It is closer for the Cajuns to go to Boone and Conway than it is to El Paso and Las Cruces.

There's nothing about those schools that are regional to the West except one is in Texas.

They need to go and talk with Craig Thompson.

I think a 6th G5 conference is needed at this point. The four Texas CUSA schools and Texas State could join New Mexico State in a new WAC. The WAC has Grandfather FBS status and could bring back FBS football. CUSA would drop to 10 schools, where they need to be and lose the long Texas trips. The Sun Belt would drop down to nine football schools and 11 all-sports schools, but they can find another school. Maybe Missouri State will finally show some leadership.

There are many hurdles that would have to be overcome, but I think this is a possible solution. This would definitely work for the Texas schools.

(04-12-2017 09:13 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 07:22 PM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  If we are going to truly make this regional, then NMSU and UTEP need to be seriously debated.

It is closer for the Cajuns to go to Boone and Conway than it is to El Paso and Las Cruces.

There's nothing about those schools that are regional to the West except one is in Texas.

They need to go and talk with Craig Thompson.

I think a 6th G5 conference is needed at this point. The four Texas CUSA schools and Texas State could join New Mexico State in a new WAC. The WAC has Grandfather FBS status and could bring back FBS football. CUSA would drop to 10 schools, where they need to be and lose the long Texas trips. The Sun Belt would drop down to nine football schools and 11 all-sports schools, but they can find another school. Maybe Missouri State will finally show some leadership.

There are many hurdles that would have to be overcome, but I think this is a possible solution. This would definitely work for the Texas schools.

Just punt the WAC idea. There are several big problems. First is that even if the NCAA says the reinstatement is valid, the schools transitioning face big hurdles in meeting the schedule requirement. Second is there do not appear to be any significant number of FCS in the west wanting to transition and I don't see any real value for the rest of us for them to move. WAC is populated already with a group of schools that no one is wildly excited about affiliating with.

You have 62 FBS G5 schools who are in or clearly want to be in a conference.
MWC looks unlikely to expand past 12 so that leaves you with 50 across four conferences and two indies. That would make 5 ten team leagues but means dislodging schools that may not want dislodging.

History says things never go nice and neat. SEC thought they were going to add Texas, TAMU, Arkansas, and Florida State and ended up with Arkansas and South Carolina. Big 10 thought they were going to add Penn State and Notre Dame and ended up with Penn State and a long pause before taking Nebraska. Pac-10 thought they were going to add Colorado, Texas, TAMU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and ended up with Colorado and Utah. The folks at Utah State thought the WAC would hold firm, steal BYU from MWC and maybe force MWC to the table and then saw Nevada and Fresno jump and kill that idea.

I think it is just as likely that when realignment comes to G5 that some schools will lack a dance partner as it is that it can be done nice and neat.

The "nightmare" is for a group to break in the middle leaving a scattered mess on the edges much like what happened to the WAC turning their map into a doughnut with a big hole with no teams in the middle.

Our fans will have nothing to do with this insanity. And who's Louisiana?

(04-12-2017 10:28 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Our fans will have nothing to do with this insanity. And who's Louisiana?

Your fans have about as much say ours techie. Louisiana is your superior in the southern part of the state that doesn't have StAte in their name. Now scoot junior.

(04-12-2017 10:28 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Our fans will have nothing to do with this insanity. And who's Louisiana?

Y'all have mob rule? You don't have a president who makes these decisions?

You may not have a choice in the matter. If 10 CUSA schools want it to happen, you can stomp your foot and go where you end up or join New Mexico State and UMass in independence.

(04-12-2017 11:27 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 10:28 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Our fans will have nothing to do with this insanity. And who's Louisiana?

Y'all have mob rule? You don't have a president who makes these decisions?

You may not have a choice in the matter. If 10 CUSA schools want it to happen, you can stomp your foot and go where you end up or join New Mexico State and UMass in independence.

There is no evidence whatsoever that ANY of the schools that make up CUSA are even warm to the idea of a merger between the SBC and CUSA. An ODU beat writer created this entire story out of thin air, and now, some of you people are allowing yourselves to get your hopes up that a miraculous realignment scenario is about to occur that will FINALLY elevate YOUR school to the elite status it so richly deserves. It ain't gonna happen. That ship sailed long ago when the P5 was created.

Take heart everybody. The REAL losers in all of realignment are the former Big East schools. None of the rest of us in G5 conferences really had anything to lose in the first place.

(04-13-2017 05:40 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 11:27 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 10:28 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Our fans will have nothing to do with this insanity. And who's Louisiana?

Y'all have mob rule? You don't have a president who makes these decisions?

You may not have a choice in the matter. If 10 CUSA schools want it to happen, you can stomp your foot and go where you end up or join New Mexico State and UMass in independence.

There is no evidence whatsoever that ANY of the schools that make up CUSA are even warm to the idea of a merger between the SBC and CUSA. An ODU beat writer created this entire story out of thin air, and now, some of you people are allowing yourselves to get your hopes up that a miraculous realignment scenario is about to occur that will FINALLY elevate YOUR school to the elite status it so richly deserves. It ain't gonna happen. That ship sailed long ago when the P5 was created.

Take heart everybody. The REAL losers in all of realignment are the former Big East schools. None of the rest of us in G5 conferences really had anything to lose in the first place.

Lay of the crack! CUSA has never been and never will be "elite". And nobody here wants anything to do with your conference, when it is in a death spiral. If I was you I would go to your conference baseball tournament and buy as much gear as possible, so you can remember your "elite" conference.

(04-13-2017 05:40 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 11:27 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 10:28 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Our fans will have nothing to do with this insanity. And who's Louisiana?

Y'all have mob rule? You don't have a president who makes these decisions?

You may not have a choice in the matter. If 10 CUSA schools want it to happen, you can stomp your foot and go where you end up or join New Mexico State and UMass in independence.

There is no evidence whatsoever that ANY of the schools that make up CUSA are even warm to the idea of a merger between the SBC and CUSA. An ODU beat writer created this entire story out of thin air, and now, some of you people are allowing yourselves to get your hopes up that a miraculous realignment scenario is about to occur that will FINALLY elevate YOUR school to the elite status it so richly deserves. It ain't gonna happen. That ship sailed long ago when the P5 was created.

Take heart everybody. The REAL losers in all of realignment are the former Big East schools. None of the rest of us in G5 conferences really had anything to lose in the first place.

I knew techies were stupid but you take the cake. I have seen very few on here that wants anything with your stinky sink and school. LOL. Scoot junior. Can't wait for the day y'all go to a junior college and you leave intelligent people alnoe. Now go go on little fella.

(04-13-2017 05:40 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 11:27 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 10:28 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Our fans will have nothing to do with this insanity. And who's Louisiana?

Y'all have mob rule? You don't have a president who makes these decisions?

You may not have a choice in the matter. If 10 CUSA schools want it to happen, you can stomp your foot and go where you end up or join New Mexico State and UMass in independence.

There is no evidence whatsoever that ANY of the schools that make up CUSA are even warm to the idea of a merger between the SBC and CUSA. An ODU beat writer created this entire story out of thin air, and now, some of you people are allowing yourselves to get your hopes up that a miraculous realignment scenario is about to occur that will FINALLY elevate YOUR school to the elite status it so richly deserves. It ain't gonna happen. That ship sailed long ago when the P5 was created.

Take heart everybody. The REAL losers in all of realignment are the former Big East schools. None of the rest of us in G5 conferences really had anything to lose in the first place.

There's a lot of truth here. Everyone is so quick to assume that this is a possibility and most on this board are taking it a step further and assuming it's an inevitability, when likely, neither are true.

The truth is that realignment talk is entertaining and these boards haven proven to be fascinated by it for years, myself included. Therefore, articles about realignment will be written because they guarantee many clicks for their authors. Until we have anything of substance that indicates that this is even being considered, we're all just bickering in order to entertain ourselves and get through the offseason, nothing more.

For what it's worth, I give this realignment a 1-2% chance of actually happening (just based on the opinions of those I've spoken with within CUSA and my school, UNT). If you read this board, you would assume that CUSA is in a such a terrible lowly place right now and that we're all miserable and everything is falling apart. That's not at all true or an accurate reflection of the state of our conference. We lost TV money, but that doesn't nearly equate to the gloom and doom being preached on this board.

(04-13-2017 05:40 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 11:27 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 10:28 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Our fans will have nothing to do with this insanity. And who's Louisiana?

Y'all have mob rule? You don't have a president who makes these decisions?

You may not have a choice in the matter. If 10 CUSA schools want it to happen, you can stomp your foot and go where you end up or join New Mexico State and UMass in independence.

There is no evidence whatsoever that ANY of the schools that make up CUSA are even warm to the idea of a merger between the SBC and CUSA. An ODU beat writer created this entire story out of thin air, and now, some of you people are allowing yourselves to get your hopes up that a miraculous realignment scenario is about to occur that will FINALLY elevate YOUR school to the elite status it so richly deserves. It ain't gonna happen. That ship sailed long ago when the P5 was created.

Take heart everybody. The REAL losers in all of realignment are the former Big East schools. None of the rest of us in G5 conferences really had anything to lose in the first place.

He made up the quotes? He fabricated the on the record comments of Massaro?

Seriously get back in contact with reality.

(04-13-2017 08:27 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Seriously get back in contact with reality.

The reality is that our university and virtually every other in C-USA have separated ourselves from the belch and want nothing to do with that dumpster fire. It ain't gonna happen, but keep dreamin'.