(04-13-2017 10:55 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 10:25 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 09:18 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  UNC and NC State fans, what Conference would you guys want to go to if this dumb bill passes?

That's an interesting question.

But I do want to point out that this is proposed bill is worded extremely poorly, and both schools could effectively remain in the ACC indefinitely, regardless of the bill and any ACC boycott. I see MASSIVE loopholes.

They might be a better fit in the PAC12.

You guys could probably get Kansas to join. If the bill passes

(04-13-2017 10:59 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Cue up The Dude and his rampant Death to The ACC hogwash. I would expect The UNC to the not so Big 12 rumors to be churning shortly

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It's already begun, albeit from a different source:

http://csnbbs.com/thread-815260-post-142...id14261839

This bill died today:

“There are strong constitutional concerns with this legislation given that the U.S. Supreme Court has firmly ruled on the issue, therefore House Bill 780 will be referred to the House Rules Committee and will not be heard,” Moore, the House speaker, said in a statement.

(04-13-2017 04:37 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 10:59 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Cue up The Dude and his rampant Death to The ACC hogwash. I would expect The UNC to the not so Big 12 rumors to be churning shortly

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It's already begun, albeit from a different source:

http://csnbbs.com/thread-815260-post-142...id14261839

Time, Economic Pressure, and Monetary Disparity. That has been the catalyst for oodles of change throughout the centuries. I would never have suggested it if the threat had not been uttered.

(04-12-2017 04:11 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 12:37 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 11:53 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  The level of dumb coming out of Raleigh never fails to amuse.

Yup. I kinda want to see the ACC boycott NC again now. Are they going to withdraw from the NCAA to?

That's my question. They may be able to bully the ACC into not boycotting North Carolina any more but I don't see the NCAA not doing it. Where would UNC and NCST go if the NCAA boycotts North Carolina again?

UNC and NC state will move to NAIA.

(04-13-2017 11:04 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 04:11 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 12:37 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 11:53 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  The level of dumb coming out of Raleigh never fails to amuse.

Yup. I kinda want to see the ACC boycott NC again now. Are they going to withdraw from the NCAA to?

That's my question. They may be able to bully the ACC into not boycotting North Carolina any more but I don't see the NCAA not doing it. Where would UNC and NCST go if the NCAA boycotts North Carolina again?

UNC and NC state will move to NAIA.

Or, if they played their cards right, SU could pull some strings for 'em, and they could end up in the HVIAC.


(P.S. I love the lack of a concession stand, but the presence of a vending machine in the background.)

Guys, clearly the plan was a clean swap: UNC and NC State to the AAC in exchange for Cincinnati and Houston. Sorry UConn fans... but at least you'd get to play UNC in hoops twice a year.

(04-14-2017 06:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Guys, clearly the plan was a clean swap: UNC and NC State to the AAC in exchange for Cincinnati and Houston. Sorry UConn fans... but at least you'd get to play UNC in hoops twice a year.

Ouch!

(04-13-2017 04:37 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 10:59 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Cue up The Dude and his rampant Death to The ACC hogwash. I would expect The UNC to the not so Big 12 rumors to be churning shortly

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It's already begun, albeit from a different source:

http://csnbbs.com/thread-815260-post-142...id14261839

A Dude by any other name is still a kook.

(04-14-2017 01:48 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 11:04 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 04:11 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 12:37 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 11:53 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  The level of dumb coming out of Raleigh never fails to amuse.

Yup. I kinda want to see the ACC boycott NC again now. Are they going to withdraw from the NCAA to?

That's my question. They may be able to bully the ACC into not boycotting North Carolina any more but I don't see the NCAA not doing it. Where would UNC and NCST go if the NCAA boycotts North Carolina again?

UNC and NC state will move to NAIA.

Or, if they played their cards right, SU could pull some strings for 'em, and they could end up in the HVIAC.


(P.S. I love the lack of a concession stand, but the presence of a vending machine in the background.)

(04-14-2017 06:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Guys, clearly the plan was a clean swap: UNC and NC State to the AAC in exchange for Cincinnati and Houston. Sorry UConn fans... but at least you'd get to play UNC in hoops twice a year.

That would be a step up for football & a slight drop for basketball. Add 2 new & large markets for the ACCN.

(04-14-2017 07:59 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 01:48 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 11:04 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 04:11 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 12:37 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Yup. I kinda want to see the ACC boycott NC again now. Are they going to withdraw from the NCAA to?

That's my question. They may be able to bully the ACC into not boycotting North Carolina any more but I don't see the NCAA not doing it. Where would UNC and NCST go if the NCAA boycotts North Carolina again?

UNC and NC state will move to NAIA.

Or, if they played their cards right, SU could pull some strings for 'em, and they could end up in the HVIAC.


(P.S. I love the lack of a concession stand, but the presence of a vending machine in the background.)

They will still need an all NC conference, so they will be joining Charlotte, UNC Greensboro, Wilmington & few others. I guess NC/Duke goes away?

Why couldn't NC just go private?

(04-14-2017 08:29 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 07:59 AM)Huskypride Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 01:48 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-13-2017 11:04 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 04:11 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  That's my question. They may be able to bully the ACC into not boycotting North Carolina any more but I don't see the NCAA not doing it. Where would UNC and NCST go if the NCAA boycotts North Carolina again?

UNC and NC state will move to NAIA.

Or, if they played their cards right, SU could pull some strings for 'em, and they could end up in the HVIAC.


(P.S. I love the lack of a concession stand, but the presence of a vending machine in the background.)

They will still need an all NC conference, so they will be joining Charlotte, UNC Greensboro, Wilmington & few others. I guess NC/Duke goes away?

Duke and NC would still schedule non conference games with each other but it wouldn't be the same.

UNC and NCSU would be independents. No conference would be immediately interested in either considering the ACC owns their tv rights for the next 20 years.

(04-14-2017 09:13 AM)CharmCityTiger Wrote:  UNC and NCSU would be independents. No conference would be immediately interested in either considering the ACC owns their tv rights for the next 20 years.

If you read the text of the proposed bill, they wouldn't be forced to leave the ACC until after the GoR.

And even then, there's nothing stopping them from doing the exact same thing that the C7/BIG EAST did. They could coordinate w/ the ACC and ACC partners by leaving it, forming their own conference, buying the ACC name, invite the 14 other ACC schools to join them w/ an entry fee that was exactly the cost of the name buy and all the credits, etc. left behind, sign another GoR for however long they wanted (i.e. 20 years), officially unofficially adopt the history of the old ACC, have the conference vote to enact a new boycott, and begin the process anew.

That series of steps would keep UNC and NCSU in the ACC in perpetuity while maintaining absolute compliance w/ the proposed bill as it was written.

UNC and NCSU could also leave the ACC and be independents, but pool media rights, bowl rights, have a scheduling alliance that matches the ACC schedule exactly, and ask (and almost certainly get) a waiver that would allow the ACC to invite independents, like NCSU and UNC to participate in conference post season tourneys.

That series of steps would keep UNC and NCSU in the ACC in perpetuity while maintaining absolute compliance w/ the proposed bill as it was written.

And both of those could be tweaked countless times to make them slightly different, thereby making it impossible for the NC legislature to write a bill that would hold people in contempt if NCSU/UNC failed to leave the ACC. The only way that the legislature could force either school out of the conference is to credibly threaten to annihilate state funding of the school if the school played games about not leaving the ACC, and I'm not sure that there are the votes for that kind of threat.

Other than that threat by the legislature, the only way that NCSU/UNC would leave is if either they wanted to leave (not going to happen), or if the ACC kicked either of them out (not going to happen).

Therefore, the law, as written, is completely toothless. Both schools would have stayed in the ACC for as long as they wanted, regardless of what the ACC did or didn't do.

The above said, I still maintain that is was really dumb for the ACC to stray away from it's core mission and get involved in a social/political issue in NC.

(04-14-2017 09:47 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 09:13 AM)CharmCityTiger Wrote:  UNC and NCSU would be independents. No conference would be immediately interested in either considering the ACC owns their tv rights for the next 20 years.

If you read the text of the proposed bill, they wouldn't be forced to leave the ACC until after the GoR.

And even then, there's nothing stopping them from doing the exact same thing that the C7/BIG EAST did. They could coordinate w/ the ACC and ACC partners by leaving it, forming their own conference, buying the ACC name, invite the 14 other ACC schools to join them w/ an entry fee that was exactly the cost of the name buy and all the credits, etc. left behind, sign another GoR for however long they wanted (i.e. 20 years), officially unofficially adopt the history of the old ACC, have the conference vote to enact a new boycott, and begin the process anew.

That series of steps would keep UNC and NCSU in the ACC in perpetuity while maintaining absolute compliance w/ the proposed bill as it was written.

UNC and NCSU could also leave the ACC and be independents, but pool media rights, bowl rights, have a scheduling alliance that matches the ACC schedule exactly, and ask (and almost certainly get) a waiver that would allow the ACC to invite independents, like NCSU and UNC to participate in conference post season tourneys.

That series of steps would keep UNC and NCSU in the ACC in perpetuity while maintaining absolute compliance w/ the proposed bill as it was written.

And both of those could be tweaked countless times to make them slightly different, thereby making it impossible for the NC legislature to write a bill that would hold people in contempt if NCSU/UNC failed to leave the ACC. The only way that the legislature could force either school out of the conference is to credibly threaten to annihilate state funding of the school if the school played games about not leaving the ACC, and I'm not sure that there are the votes for that kind of threat.

Other than that threat by the legislature, the only way that NCSU/UNC would leave is if either they wanted to leave (not going to happen), or if the ACC kicked either of them out (not going to happen).

Therefore, the law, as written, is completely toothless. Both schools would have stayed in the ACC for as long as they wanted, regardless of what the ACC did or didn't do.

The above said, I still maintain that is was really dumb for the ACC to stray away from it's core mission and get involved in a social/political issue in NC.

The ACC, and for that matter the NCAA, could simply choose not to award any events to North Carolina cities without giving a reason why. Then who would the NC legislature find to pick a fight with (because that's really what this is all about)?

(04-14-2017 12:50 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 09:47 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-14-2017 09:13 AM)CharmCityTiger Wrote:  UNC and NCSU would be independents. No conference would be immediately interested in either considering the ACC owns their tv rights for the next 20 years.

If you read the text of the proposed bill, they wouldn't be forced to leave the ACC until after the GoR.

And even then, there's nothing stopping them from doing the exact same thing that the C7/BIG EAST did. They could coordinate w/ the ACC and ACC partners by leaving it, forming their own conference, buying the ACC name, invite the 14 other ACC schools to join them w/ an entry fee that was exactly the cost of the name buy and all the credits, etc. left behind, sign another GoR for however long they wanted (i.e. 20 years), officially unofficially adopt the history of the old ACC, have the conference vote to enact a new boycott, and begin the process anew.

That series of steps would keep UNC and NCSU in the ACC in perpetuity while maintaining absolute compliance w/ the proposed bill as it was written.

UNC and NCSU could also leave the ACC and be independents, but pool media rights, bowl rights, have a scheduling alliance that matches the ACC schedule exactly, and ask (and almost certainly get) a waiver that would allow the ACC to invite independents, like NCSU and UNC to participate in conference post season tourneys.

That series of steps would keep UNC and NCSU in the ACC in perpetuity while maintaining absolute compliance w/ the proposed bill as it was written.

And both of those could be tweaked countless times to make them slightly different, thereby making it impossible for the NC legislature to write a bill that would hold people in contempt if NCSU/UNC failed to leave the ACC. The only way that the legislature could force either school out of the conference is to credibly threaten to annihilate state funding of the school if the school played games about not leaving the ACC, and I'm not sure that there are the votes for that kind of threat.

Other than that threat by the legislature, the only way that NCSU/UNC would leave is if either they wanted to leave (not going to happen), or if the ACC kicked either of them out (not going to happen).

Therefore, the law, as written, is completely toothless. Both schools would have stayed in the ACC for as long as they wanted, regardless of what the ACC did or didn't do.

The above said, I still maintain that is was really dumb for the ACC to stray away from it's core mission and get involved in a social/political issue in NC.

The ACC, and for that matter the NCAA, could simply choose not to award any events to North Carolina cities without giving a reason why. Then who would the NC legislature find to pick a fight with (because that's really what this is all about)?

That's also true, and another glaring loophole.

I agree.

And you're right, the ACC could and should stay off the soap box.

ACC 15 without North Carolina and North Carolina State:

Boston College
Connecticut
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Notre Dame
West Virginia
Louisville
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami

The ACC would be just fine. Football would be stronger with the addition of West Virginia and Connecticut easily replaces North Carolina State . Also basketball would be stronger with the addition of Connecticut and West Virginia.

(04-12-2017 09:04 PM)XLance Wrote:  Unfortunately the Conference and the NCAA have already gotten into politics when they shouldn't have.

(04-12-2017 09:13 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Discrimination of every kind is illegal.

Yes. Once a state passes constitutionally dubious laws that can affect students, schools have little choice. It's not a matter of 'getting involved'. It's a matter of refusing to be involved.

It's a matter of lawsuit avoidance.

You're a university president who opted to keep conference events in a state with discriminatory laws? And now you are going to send your students to those events? Congratulations. You have now opened your school and your conference to some expensive headaches.

Students who encounter discrimination at the events--discrimination that was perfectly foreseeable by you and other officials who sent them there--have grounds now to sue not only that state, but your university and its conference.

Definitely not the call to make if you like your job.

When a discriminatory law is passed in a state, you have two options: (1) make sure your students aren't affected by that law, or (2) stay away. That state's lawmakers are best left to defend their mistakes without you.