Lasalle is TE High.. been a recipe for success previously.. so let's hope it works out as it has times before..

(04-07-2017 01:01 PM)edetzel Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 12:55 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 12:49 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 03:38 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 03:26 PM)bearcatdp Wrote:  What about Freddie Lenix? Wasn't he a stud recruit?

I think Lenix was only a 3*, but that Glenville team was loaded as all hell...I still remember that 4×200 team with him and Ginn.

What about Kevin Mouhon? I thought he was a 5*. He had offers from Ohio State, Notre Dame, Florida, Penn State, Nebraska, Florida State, Oregon, Auburn, etc.

He was a 4* but dropped to a 3* after struggling throughout the week at the Army All-American Bowl in early January about a month before he signed.

Marcus beat me to it. I wasn't aware of his performance at the Army game, that makes sense.

I don't follow the recruiting service ratings much, but would Gino be part of that list?

(04-07-2017 01:01 PM)edetzel Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 12:55 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 12:49 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 03:38 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 03:26 PM)bearcatdp Wrote:  What about Freddie Lenix? Wasn't he a stud recruit?

I think Lenix was only a 3*, but that Glenville team was loaded as all hell...I still remember that 4×200 team with him and Ginn.

What about Kevin Mouhon? I thought he was a 5*. He had offers from Ohio State, Notre Dame, Florida, Penn State, Nebraska, Florida State, Oregon, Auburn, etc.

He was a 4* but dropped to a 3* after struggling throughout the week at the Army All-American Bowl in early January about a month before he signed.

Marcus beat me to it. I wasn't aware of his performance at the Army game, that makes sense.

I think his fall down the rankings was more because he chose Cincinnati than because of his performance in one All-Star game.

(04-07-2017 05:32 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:01 PM)edetzel Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 12:55 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 12:49 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 03:38 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I think Lenix was only a 3*, but that Glenville team was loaded as all hell...I still remember that 4×200 team with him and Ginn.

What about Kevin Mouhon? I thought he was a 5*. He had offers from Ohio State, Notre Dame, Florida, Penn State, Nebraska, Florida State, Oregon, Auburn, etc.

He was a 4* but dropped to a 3* after struggling throughout the week at the Army All-American Bowl in early January about a month before he signed.

Marcus beat me to it. I wasn't aware of his performance at the Army game, that makes sense.

I think his fall down the rankings was more because he chose Cincinnati than because of his performance in one All-Star game.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

(04-07-2017 05:48 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:32 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:01 PM)edetzel Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 12:55 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 12:49 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  What about Kevin Mouhon? I thought he was a 5*. He had offers from Ohio State, Notre Dame, Florida, Penn State, Nebraska, Florida State, Oregon, Auburn, etc.

He was a 4* but dropped to a 3* after struggling throughout the week at the Army All-American Bowl in early January about a month before he signed.

Marcus beat me to it. I wasn't aware of his performance at the Army game, that makes sense.

I think his fall down the rankings was more because he chose Cincinnati than because of his performance in one All-Star game.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

Yes the great anti UC conspiracy

(04-07-2017 06:37 PM)Bearcat1010 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:48 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:32 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:01 PM)edetzel Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 12:55 PM)Marcus Wrote:  He was a 4* but dropped to a 3* after struggling throughout the week at the Army All-American Bowl in early January about a month before he signed.

Marcus beat me to it. I wasn't aware of his performance at the Army game, that makes sense.

I think his fall down the rankings was more because he chose Cincinnati than because of his performance in one All-Star game.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

Yes the great anti UC conspiracy

Not just UC. According to my conspiracy he would have gotten the same downgrade for picking Kansas, Memphis, or Utah State too.

Quote:"Big time prospects in Cincinnati are in for the Bearcats, just as much as we are. Knowing that I will be coming is only going to bring more talent to the Bearcats. We are going after top players across the nation. I am committing so early so I can make it the best class in the nation and I can help recruit and build this class. We are going to change it, we are going to get these local kids. Our mark will be left. Cincinnati will be a powerhouse in the next couple years, mark my words.”

I thought we were The Cupboard's Left Bare University? This is what happens when actual effort, reputation of integrity and building trusting relationships is practiced by the head coach. I need to go change my underwear.

I hate to count on anything before there's a signature on the dotted line, but I'm starting to see this as a groundbreaking commitment. We've had highly rated transfers and frosh and gotten guys with some other very impressive offers like OSU, ND and UM, but to my recollection I'm not sure we have had anybody commit with as many quality "actionable" offers as Josh commit to us directly out of hs. Any thoughts?

And I mean no disrespect by dreaming he'd slip to second if we were able to land Hawkins as well....

(04-07-2017 06:37 PM)Bearcat1010 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:48 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:32 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:01 PM)edetzel Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 12:55 PM)Marcus Wrote:  He was a 4* but dropped to a 3* after struggling throughout the week at the Army All-American Bowl in early January about a month before he signed.

Marcus beat me to it. I wasn't aware of his performance at the Army game, that makes sense.

I think his fall down the rankings was more because he chose Cincinnati than because of his performance in one All-Star game.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

Yes the great anti UC conspiracy

I am not sure how close you follow recruiting. I follow it pretty closely and have been doing so for almost 15 years. It is not just a UC phenomena. Recruits get dropped all the time based on their commitment. Also, I have seen it work the other way--I have seen two or three star kids become a four or five star after signing with the big dogs.

Alot of these kids started watching/playing football during the BK/Jones years. Now is the time to capitalize. Happy we have a coach that can do it.

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(04-07-2017 08:03 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 06:37 PM)Bearcat1010 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:48 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:32 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:01 PM)edetzel Wrote:  Marcus beat me to it. I wasn't aware of his performance at the Army game, that makes sense.

I think his fall down the rankings was more because he chose Cincinnati than because of his performance in one All-Star game.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

Yes the great anti UC conspiracy

I am not sure how close you follow recruiting. I follow it pretty closely and have been doing so for almost 15 years. It is not just a UC phenomena. Recruits get dropped all the time based on their commitment. Also, I have seen it work the other way--I have seen two or three star kids become a four or five star after signing with the big dogs.

It is pure economics. Players get more stars when they commit to schools whose fans buy a lot of the recruiters' magazines/services. They need to keep the subscribers happy, so they give their schools' recruits higher ratings.

(04-07-2017 07:47 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I hate to count on anything before there's a signature on the dotted line, but I'm starting to see this as a groundbreaking commitment. We've had highly rated transfers and frosh and gotten guys with some other very impressive offers like OSU, ND and UM, but to my recollection I'm not sure we have had anybody commit with as many quality "actionable" offers as Josh commit to us directly out of hs. Any thoughts?

And I mean no disrespect by dreaming he'd slip to second if we were able to land Hawkins as well....

Hawkins feels like the one that could break the whole recruiting thing wide open. If he commits to UC I'd love to know what would go through Urban Meyer's head. Or for that matter the coaches at MSU, UK, UL etc.

It seems like there is enough talent in Cincy to field a team good enough to win the AAC with just local players. That's the major difference that I see between UC and a program like Boise State. Obviously BSU has access to a ton of talent in California, but that's nothing like having so much D1 talent literally in your backyard.

Fickell just feels so different than our previous three successful coaches. Fickell seems like ALL coach and NO corporate ladder climbing ass kisser. I don;t expect him to end his career here, but I think he'll be here lnger than 4 years and he'll build something special in the process.

There has always been enough talent locally/regionally to kick ass and take names. You just have to work the sale versus sitting by the phone waiting to take an order.

Our last HC preferred easy livin' on lower tiered southern guys who were picked over and were rather than having to put in the work and time to actually fight for recruits here.

Every day that passes the lunacy of that empty ####### headset is more and more apparent even to those who had their head in the sand for the better part of four years. Good riddance and good luck in the gubinatorial race, you goon.

(04-08-2017 06:52 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  There has always been enough talent locally/regionally to kick ass and take names. You just have to work the sale versus sitting by the phone waiting to take an order.

Our last HC preferred easy livin' on lower tiered southern guys who were picked over and were rather than having to put in the work and time to actually fight for recruits here.

Every day that passes the lunacy of that empty ####### headset is more and more apparent even to those who had their head in the sand for the better part of four years. Good riddance and good luck in the gubinatorial race, you goon.

Who?

"Let the name of _______________ be stricken from every book and tablet, stricken from all pylons and obelisks, stricken from every monument. Let the name of _______________ be unheard and unspoken...erased from the memory of men for all time."

(04-08-2017 07:25 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 06:52 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  There has always been enough talent locally/regionally to kick ass and take names. You just have to work the sale versus sitting by the phone waiting to take an order.

Our last HC preferred easy livin' on lower tiered southern guys who were picked over and were rather than having to put in the work and time to actually fight for recruits here.

Every day that passes the lunacy of that empty ####### headset is more and more apparent even to those who had their head in the sand for the better part of four years. Good riddance and good luck in the gubinatorial race, you goon.

Who?

"Let the name of _______________ be stricken from every book and tablet, stricken from all pylons and obelisks, stricken from every monument. Let the name of _______________ be unheard and unspoken...erased from the memory of men for all time."

haha!! +3 for this

(04-08-2017 07:25 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Who?

"Let the name of _______________ be stricken from every book and tablet, stricken from all pylons and obelisks, stricken from every monument. Let the name of _______________ be unheard and unspoken...erased from the memory of men for all time."

With my last breath, I'll break my own law and speak the name of...
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Cadaver-Ville

Hopefully we will not be seeing this headline anytime soon

So, we're in agreement that The Walking Dead is real.

(04-07-2017 08:03 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 06:37 PM)Bearcat1010 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:48 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:32 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 01:01 PM)edetzel Wrote:  Marcus beat me to it. I wasn't aware of his performance at the Army game, that makes sense.

I think his fall down the rankings was more because he chose Cincinnati than because of his performance in one All-Star game.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

Yes the great anti UC conspiracy

I am not sure how close you follow recruiting. I follow it pretty closely and have been doing so for almost 15 years. It is not just a UC phenomena. Recruits get dropped all the time based on their commitment. Also, I have seen it work the other way--I have seen two or three star kids become a four or five star after signing with the big dogs.

I think what happens is this... The Recruiting Services do have their own staffs to analyze things, but they also count on the College coaching staffs' eyes and senses. So if a kid is pulling down offers from "the big boys" (Michigan. Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, etc...) they are swayed to think more highly of a kid than even on their own because "the guys who know" think that recruit is "hot."

Likewise, if a kid gets passed over by the 'Bamas, Clemsons, and Meechegans of the CFB world...or doesn't sign with them...they tend to think that there must be something wrong with the kid, so they drop the rating. It's pretty well documented across a bunch of programs: a kid is rated "3 Stars" and signs with 'Bama, and suddenly is re-rated at "4 Stars." Or a kid is rated "4 Stars" and signs with a MAC program and gets re-rated to "3" or even "2 Stars."

In the end, the "Stars" don't really count. I'd rather have "the right" kids in at "2 Stars" then have the wrong "4 Star" kid in who is disruptive and may never see the field.

(04-10-2017 09:28 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 08:03 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 06:37 PM)Bearcat1010 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:48 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 05:32 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I think his fall down the rankings was more because he chose Cincinnati than because of his performance in one All-Star game.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

Yes the great anti UC conspiracy

I am not sure how close you follow recruiting. I follow it pretty closely and have been doing so for almost 15 years. It is not just a UC phenomena. Recruits get dropped all the time based on their commitment. Also, I have seen it work the other way--I have seen two or three star kids become a four or five star after signing with the big dogs.

I think what happens is this... The Recruiting Services do have their own staffs to analyze things, but they also count on the College coaching staffs' eyes and senses. So if a kid is pulling down offers from "the big boys" (Michigan. Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, etc...) they are swayed to think more highly of a kid than even on their own because "the guys who know" think that recruit is "hot."

Likewise, if a kid gets passed over by the 'Bamas, Clemsons, and Meechegans of the CFB world...or doesn't sign with them...they tend to think that there must be something wrong with the kid, so they drop the rating. It's pretty well documented across a bunch of programs: a kid is rated "3 Stars" and signs with 'Bama, and suddenly is re-rated at "4 Stars." Or a kid is rated "4 Stars" and signs with a MAC program and gets re-rated to "3" or even "2 Stars."

In the end, the "Stars" don't really count. I'd rather have "the right" kids in at "2 Stars" then have the wrong "4 Star" kid in who is disruptive and may never see the field.

There's definitely a sentiment of "Hell if Saban signed the kid we must not have evaluated him properly."

The bigger issue is the t-shirt schools have a huge fan base, and an article on a Scout, Rival's or 247 Board saying Notre Dame (for example) gets a commitment from a 5-star gets a lot more clicks than the one saying they inked a 3-star. Like everything follow the money.