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I think Fickell will be here until a special program comes calling. Michigan State, Notre Dame and Tennessee are special programs. You can be top 25 on a regular basis at Cincy. My thinking is that it would take one of those potential perennial top 10 teams to take him away. I would be very happy if he were here 5-7 years with 3-4 of those near or in top 25 and competing for a big bowl. Also, we have to win bowl games, regardless of which bowl it is. We have gone out of the past 3 bowl games with a thud...not even competitive. That has to change to give momentum for the off season.
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(04-12-2017 10:00 AM)bearcatdp Wrote: I think Fickell will be here until a special program comes calling. Michigan State, Notre Dame and Tennessee are special programs. You can be top 25 on a regular basis at Cincy. My thinking is that it would take one of those potential perennial top 10 teams to take him away. I would be very happy if he were here 5-7 years with 3-4 of those near or in top 25 and competing for a big bowl. Also, we have to win bowl games, regardless of which bowl it is. We have gone out of the past 3 bowl games with a thud...not even competitive. That has to change to give momentum for the off season.
I doubt TN would hire another UC coach because that means they fired a UC coach. I cannot see ND or MSU hiring a Fickell until he has an HC track record of at least three years.
MD had 3 years. BK had GVS NC and lengthy track record there and CM and UC.
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(04-12-2017 10:00 AM)bearcatdp Wrote: I think Fickell will be here until a special program comes calling. Michigan State, Notre Dame and Tennessee are special programs. You can be top 25 on a regular basis at Cincy. My thinking is that it would take one of those potential perennial top 10 teams to take him away. I would be very happy if he were here 5-7 years with 3-4 of those near or in top 25 and competing for a big bowl. Also, we have to win bowl games, regardless of which bowl it is. We have gone out of the past 3 bowl games with a thud...not even competitive. That has to change to give momentum for the off season.
If Michigan State is a " potential perennial top 10 team" then so is Purdue, Illinois, and Pitt.
Before Dantonio, Michigan State hadn't been very successful for a long time. They had only 6 ranked finishes since 1967 (almost 40 years). Of their last 5 coaches (since 1980), only one had a career record more than 1 game over .500, and his name was Nick Saban. They also lost coaches to LSU (Saban) and Arizona State (Darryl Rogers in 1980)
Sure, Michigan State had some great glory years in the 50s and 60s. But Pitt's glory years were better and more recent. And Illinois and Purdue have both won the Big 10 more recently (MSU hadn't won since 1987; Illinois won in 2001 and Purdue in 2000)
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(04-12-2017 10:51 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: (04-12-2017 10:00 AM)bearcatdp Wrote: I think Fickell will be here until a special program comes calling. Michigan State, Notre Dame and Tennessee are special programs. You can be top 25 on a regular basis at Cincy. My thinking is that it would take one of those potential perennial top 10 teams to take him away. I would be very happy if he were here 5-7 years with 3-4 of those near or in top 25 and competing for a big bowl. Also, we have to win bowl games, regardless of which bowl it is. We have gone out of the past 3 bowl games with a thud...not even competitive. That has to change to give momentum for the off season.
If Michigan State is a "potential perennial top 10 team" then so is Purdue, Illinois, and Pitt.
Before Dantonio, Michigan State hadn't been very successful for a long time. They had only 6 ranked finishes since 1967 (almost 40 years). Of their last 5 coaches (since 1980), only one had a career record more than 1 game over .500, and his name was Nick Saban. They also lost coaches to LSU (Saban) and Arizona State (Darryl Rogers in 1980)
Sure, Michigan State had some great glory years in the 50s and 60s. But Pitt's glory years were better and more recent. And Illinois and Purdue have both won the Big 10 more recently (MSU hadn't won since 1987; Illinois won in 2001 and Purdue in 2000)
Good point about MSU - that truly was a "special" place for Dantonio. They have history though, as does Penn State. My point wasn't that Tennessee, ND or MSU would be one of the teams to hire Fickell away but one of the handful of perennial top 10 teams would (OSU, Bama, FSU, etc, etc, etc).
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(04-12-2017 02:20 PM)Racinejake Wrote: (04-12-2017 11:31 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote: (04-12-2017 09:32 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: (04-12-2017 08:49 AM)Racinejake Wrote: (04-12-2017 05:58 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote: Predicting the future by what has happened so often in the past - at UC and elsewhere - is not the sky falling. It wasn't even a negative statement. I expect Fickell to be good. He will be worth more than what UC can give him in a few years. If you think he'll give up millions of dollars and a good P5 opportunity to stay at UC, you live in a bubble.
Have to agree with you here. The next time a hugely successful G5 coach stays at that school will be the first time. And I don't think it has to be a negative thing, it's just where we are as a program. I don't spend any time thinking about it, only looking forward to rolling up a bunch of W's and getting back to respectability as a program. And if the coach leaves you just hope the next coach will have a lot to work with.
Pat Hill stayed at Fresno for 15 years. He wasn't as successful as Brian Kelly, but his 5th-8th years were more successful than Dantonio or Butch Jones.
Doc Holliday is still at Marshall for his 8th year. After turning the program around he won 33 games in 3 years.
Chris Peterson stayed at Boise for 7 years. I'd take that.
What jobs were they offered? I don't know, but I'm curious.
Of that group, I think Peterson clearly had the most options before finally bolting. I haven't heard Holliday's name thrown around much and I can't recall about Hill. In this day and age I'd argue coaches are even less likely to stay at a G5 school with the growing G5/P5 disparity.
Your point about the likelihood being less these days is a good one. I don't know whether Hill had specific offers, but I remember him withdrawing his name from Washington (post-Willingham), and he was up for the UCLA job.
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Pretty sure Peterson could have had the USC job if he wanted it a few years ago
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(04-12-2017 02:40 PM)geef Wrote: Your point about the likelihood being less these days is a good one. I don't know whether Hill had specific offers, but I remember him withdrawing his name from Washington (post-Willingham), and he was up for the UCLA job.
In the end, I think Hill stayed too long. I believe he ended up getting fired from Fresno.
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(04-12-2017 03:18 PM)bearcatdp Wrote: (04-12-2017 02:40 PM)geef Wrote: Your point about the likelihood being less these days is a good one. I don't know whether Hill had specific offers, but I remember him withdrawing his name from Washington (post-Willingham), and he was up for the UCLA job.
In the end, I think Hill stayed too long. I believe he ended up getting fired from Fresno.
I don't think he had any big offers. He only won the WAC once in 15 years and was 3-7 in bowl games. He only won more than 10 games once, bust most of his teams fell in the 7-9 win category (his first few and last teams were sub .500).
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