(04-08-2017 08:17 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Cincinnati will be fine if the Bungles leave. I would feel for the fans though. What happened to Cleveland and now SAN Diego fans is terrible. At the end of the day though, the NFL and its owners care about making truckloads of cash. They do not care about the Joe the fan. Because they know another fan will replace Joe in another city. Also, Joe will still watch in some capacity.

I will admit my interests rest solely with UC. I care first and foremost about UC. I find it interesting that many say the Bungles leaving will have no effect on UC. For years, on this board and in the local media, I have heard the number 1 reason UC will never be good is there are 2 pro teams in town.

And the corollary, which is that U of L has been able to pull away from UC because it's never had to compete with pro franchises, i.e., U of L is Louisville's pro franchise.

(04-09-2017 12:21 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 08:17 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Cincinnati will be fine if the Bungles leave. I would feel for the fans though. What happened to Cleveland and now SAN Diego fans is terrible. At the end of the day though, the NFL and its owners care about making truckloads of cash. They do not care about the Joe the fan. Because they know another fan will replace Joe in another city. Also, Joe will still watch in some capacity.

I will admit my interests rest solely with UC. I care first and foremost about UC. I find it interesting that many say the Bungles leaving will have no effect on UC. For years, on this board and in the local media, I have heard the number 1 reason UC will never be good is there are 2 pro teams in town.

And the corollary, which is that U of L has been able to pull away from UC because it's never had to compete with pro franchises, i.e., U of L is Louisville's pro franchise.

It couldn't be that UL has had an historically powerful program dating back to before Cincinnati even had a competitive NFL franchise?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisville...basketball

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisville...s_football

(04-10-2017 08:35 AM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 12:21 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(04-08-2017 08:17 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Cincinnati will be fine if the Bungles leave. I would feel for the fans though. What happened to Cleveland and now SAN Diego fans is terrible. At the end of the day though, the NFL and its owners care about making truckloads of cash. They do not care about the Joe the fan. Because they know another fan will replace Joe in another city. Also, Joe will still watch in some capacity.

I will admit my interests rest solely with UC. I care first and foremost about UC. I find it interesting that many say the Bungles leaving will have no effect on UC. For years, on this board and in the local media, I have heard the number 1 reason UC will never be good is there are 2 pro teams in town.

And the corollary, which is that U of L has been able to pull away from UC because it's never had to compete with pro franchises, i.e., U of L is Louisville's pro franchise.

It couldn't be that UL has had an historically powerful program dating back to before Cincinnati even had a competitive NFL franchise?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisville...basketball

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisville...s_football

Louisville football has been like ours throughout most of their history. Just like UC, there was a period of time in the 70s and early 80s where the university considered dropping the sport altogether.

I have family in Louisville. My parents live there and my sister, a UofL grad, also is there with her family. The absolute difference in interest in the two programs is not having to compete with the NFL and MLB. UofL gets all the corporate advertising in town, all media attention goes to them (some does go to UK) and the consumer only has Cardinal athletics to attend (as opposed to the Bengals).

I am not calling for them to leave but having the Bengals skip town would be a huge boon for UC football. Think about it this way: there is only so much money and time one can devote to football. It is a tough sell to the wife to convince her to let you go to both UC and Bengal football on a weekend every week in the fall. There's other things that need to get done (yard work, kid's sports, other chores around the house, shopping, taking the wife out to were she wants to go, etc.). Cut out the Bengals and we increase our season attendance by 10K pretty quickly- maybe more.

Yeah, I don't think anyone is calling for them to leave.

I just think that if Mike Brown tries to hold the city hostage by threatening to leave then the city should just chuckle and say, "Don't let the door hit ya where the Lord split ya."

Been a life long Bengals fan. Suffered through the 90's with that team which was about as terrible of a sports decade there could be for a franchise. That being said, I am at the point where Lucy has pulled the football away just too many times. There was a glimmer of hope through the Palmer years and recently with Dalton, but...

Mike Brown has shown time and time again he won't deliver a contender let alone a playoff victory.

If they leave can't say I will miss em. And my waning interest in the NFL will leave with them.

(04-10-2017 09:08 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  Yeah, I don't think anyone is calling for them to leave.

I just think that if Mike Brown tries to hold the city hostage by threatening to leave then the city should just chuckle and say, "Don't let the door hit ya where the Lord split ya."

Right, a lot of people enjoy having them here, but the stadium deal was and is an unbelievable screwing for the taxpayers.

(04-10-2017 10:30 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Been a life long Bengals fan. Suffered through the 90's with that team which was about as terrible of a sports decade there could be for a franchise. That being said, I am at the point where Lucy has pulled the football away just too many times. There was a glimmer of hope through the Palmer years and recently with Dalton, but...

Mike Brown has shown time and time again he won't deliver a contender let alone a playoff victory.

If they leave can't say I will miss em. And my waning interest in the NFL will leave with them.

He has made doing the bare minimum that will keep fan interest piqued into an art form. A tease, if you will.

Remember the deal was spearheaded by Bob Bedinghaus. After the taxpayers decided they got played, Bob lost his County Commissioners job. Guess who hired him? The Bengals to be VP of Business Development.

Does it smell? Hell it stinks big time!

(04-10-2017 11:44 AM)doss2 Wrote:  Remember the deal was spearheaded by Bob Bedinghaus. After the taxpayers decided they got played, Bob lost his County Commissioners job. Guess who hired him? The Bengals to be VP of Business Development.

Does it smell? Hell it stinks big time!

The two reasons I quit following the Bengals were both related to the stadium. 1. Mike Brown said he needed a stadium to compete financially with other teams yet continued to operate without a general manager and with the league's smallest scouting department. 2. The Bedinghaus thing was either corrupt or incompetent. He signed a deal that was widely recognized as the most one sided anti-taxpayer stadium deal and gets voted out. For him to be immediately hired by the Bengals was either pre arranged or completely incompetent to hire a guy who failed spectacularly at his previous job. Bedinghaus was the straw that broke the camel's back for me

(04-10-2017 09:08 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  Yeah, I don't think anyone is calling for them to leave.

I just think that if Mike Brown tries to hold the city hostage by threatening to leave then the city should just chuckle and say, "Don't let the door hit ya where the Lord split ya."

Almost everyone here is conflating Mike Brown with the Bengals as an NFL franchise--I daresay many on here don't remember when Paul Brown was the mastermind behind the expansion Bengals and made them competitive in relatively short order. He was an acknowledged FB genius and has a coaching tree a mile long.

Mike Brown is not Paul Brown...but Mike Brown won't live forever--someday the Bengals will have a new owner and a new strategy. With very few exceptions, as a city, once you lose an NFL franchise, you don't get an expansion franchise, even with the most rabid fanbase...just ask the city of Baltimore about that--they had to steal the Browns to get the NFL back in Baltimore, with as storied a history as the Colts had while in that city along with undying support from the fanbase.

Envision a future in which another owner takes charge of the Bengals with a vision like Robert Kraft...I bet nobody here remembers when the Patriots STANK and the fans barely attended....look what a change in ownership did...

For that matter, take the Green Bay Packers and their ownership model--they are owned by the season ticket holders, who vote on the GM based on performance....how many here would support that setup? I daresay a majority of the board. Bad owners come and go....NFL franchises should be treasured due to their rarity--don't let the Bengals EVER walk...it's the same reason you don't fire a hall of fame coach...they don't grow on trees.

(04-10-2017 01:15 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 09:08 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  Yeah, I don't think anyone is calling for them to leave.

I just think that if Mike Brown tries to hold the city hostage by threatening to leave then the city should just chuckle and say, "Don't let the door hit ya where the Lord split ya."

Almost everyone here is conflating Mike Brown with the Bengals as an NFL franchise--I daresay many on here don't remember when Paul Brown was the mastermind behind the expansion Bengals and made them competitive in relatively short order. He was an acknowledged FB genius and has a coaching tree a mile long.

Mike Brown is not Paul Brown...but Mike Brown won't live forever--someday the Bengals will have a new owner and a new strategy. With very few exceptions, as a city, once you lose an NFL franchise, you don't get an expansion franchise, even with the most rabid fanbase...just ask the city of Baltimore about that--they had to steal the Browns to get the NFL back in Baltimore, with as storied a history as the Colts had while in that city along with undying support from the fanbase.

Envision a future in which another owner takes charge of the Bengals with a vision like Robert Kraft...I bet nobody here remembers when the Patriots STANK and the fans barely attended....look what a change in ownership did...

For that matter, take the Green Bay Packers and their ownership model--they are owned by the season ticket holders, who vote on the GM based on performance....how many here would support that setup? I daresay a majority of the board. Bad owners come and go....NFL franchises should be treasured due to their rarity--don't let the Bengals EVER walk...it's the same reason you don't fire a hall of fame coach...they don't grow on trees.

UC just let a hall of fame football coach walk.... It's paid off in recruiting... just a matter of time until it pays off on the field.

(04-10-2017 01:15 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 09:08 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  Yeah, I don't think anyone is calling for them to leave.

I just think that if Mike Brown tries to hold the city hostage by threatening to leave then the city should just chuckle and say, "Don't let the door hit ya where the Lord split ya."

Almost everyone here is conflating Mike Brown with the Bengals as an NFL franchise--I daresay many on here don't remember when Paul Brown was the mastermind behind the expansion Bengals and made them competitive in relatively short order. He was an acknowledged FB genius and has a coaching tree a mile long.

Mike Brown is not Paul Brown...but Mike Brown won't live forever--someday the Bengals will have a new owner and a new strategy. With very few exceptions, as a city, once you lose an NFL franchise, you don't get an expansion franchise, even with the most rabid fanbase...just ask the city of Baltimore about that--they had to steal the Browns to get the NFL back in Baltimore, with as storied a history as the Colts had while in that city along with undying support from the fanbase.

Envision a future in which another owner takes charge of the Bengals with a vision like Robert Kraft...I bet nobody here remembers when the Patriots STANK and the fans barely attended....look what a change in ownership did...

For that matter, take the Green Bay Packers and their ownership model--they are owned by the season ticket holders, who vote on the GM based on performance....how many here would support that setup? I daresay a majority of the board. Bad owners come and go....NFL franchises should be treasured due to their rarity--don't let the Bengals EVER walk...it's the same reason you don't fire a hall of fame coach...they don't grow on trees.

On the other side of the coin, the Browns have turned over their ownership every few years and look where that has them now.

(04-10-2017 01:21 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 01:15 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 09:08 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  Yeah, I don't think anyone is calling for them to leave.

I just think that if Mike Brown tries to hold the city hostage by threatening to leave then the city should just chuckle and say, "Don't let the door hit ya where the Lord split ya."

Almost everyone here is conflating Mike Brown with the Bengals as an NFL franchise--I daresay many on here don't remember when Paul Brown was the mastermind behind the expansion Bengals and made them competitive in relatively short order. He was an acknowledged FB genius and has a coaching tree a mile long.

Mike Brown is not Paul Brown...but Mike Brown won't live forever--someday the Bengals will have a new owner and a new strategy. With very few exceptions, as a city, once you lose an NFL franchise, you don't get an expansion franchise, even with the most rabid fanbase...just ask the city of Baltimore about that--they had to steal the Browns to get the NFL back in Baltimore, with as storied a history as the Colts had while in that city along with undying support from the fanbase.

Envision a future in which another owner takes charge of the Bengals with a vision like Robert Kraft...I bet nobody here remembers when the Patriots STANK and the fans barely attended....look what a change in ownership did...

For that matter, take the Green Bay Packers and their ownership model--they are owned by the season ticket holders, who vote on the GM based on performance....how many here would support that setup? I daresay a majority of the board. Bad owners come and go....NFL franchises should be treasured due to their rarity--don't let the Bengals EVER walk...it's the same reason you don't fire a hall of fame coach...they don't grow on trees.

UC just let a hall of fame football coach walk.... It's paid off in recruiting... just a matter of time until it pays off on the field.

I didn't know Tuberville was in the HOF...isn't that based on your body of work once you retire?

(04-10-2017 05:27 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 01:15 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 09:08 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  Yeah, I don't think anyone is calling for them to leave.

I just think that if Mike Brown tries to hold the city hostage by threatening to leave then the city should just chuckle and say, "Don't let the door hit ya where the Lord split ya."

Almost everyone here is conflating Mike Brown with the Bengals as an NFL franchise--I daresay many on here don't remember when Paul Brown was the mastermind behind the expansion Bengals and made them competitive in relatively short order. He was an acknowledged FB genius and has a coaching tree a mile long.

Mike Brown is not Paul Brown...but Mike Brown won't live forever--someday the Bengals will have a new owner and a new strategy. With very few exceptions, as a city, once you lose an NFL franchise, you don't get an expansion franchise, even with the most rabid fanbase...just ask the city of Baltimore about that--they had to steal the Browns to get the NFL back in Baltimore, with as storied a history as the Colts had while in that city along with undying support from the fanbase.

Envision a future in which another owner takes charge of the Bengals with a vision like Robert Kraft...I bet nobody here remembers when the Patriots STANK and the fans barely attended....look what a change in ownership did...

For that matter, take the Green Bay Packers and their ownership model--they are owned by the season ticket holders, who vote on the GM based on performance....how many here would support that setup? I daresay a majority of the board. Bad owners come and go....NFL franchises should be treasured due to their rarity--don't let the Bengals EVER walk...it's the same reason you don't fire a hall of fame coach...they don't grow on trees.

On the other side of the coin, the Browns have turned over their ownership every few years and look where that has them now.

On the other hand, had the city of Cleveland given Art Modell the stadium he wanted, he would have stayed, and the Browns would hold the Super Bowl trophies that now belong to the Ravens..

Cuts both ways.

(04-10-2017 08:38 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 05:27 PM)crex043 Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 01:15 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 09:08 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  Yeah, I don't think anyone is calling for them to leave.

I just think that if Mike Brown tries to hold the city hostage by threatening to leave then the city should just chuckle and say, "Don't let the door hit ya where the Lord split ya."

Almost everyone here is conflating Mike Brown with the Bengals as an NFL franchise--I daresay many on here don't remember when Paul Brown was the mastermind behind the expansion Bengals and made them competitive in relatively short order. He was an acknowledged FB genius and has a coaching tree a mile long.

Mike Brown is not Paul Brown...but Mike Brown won't live forever--someday the Bengals will have a new owner and a new strategy. With very few exceptions, as a city, once you lose an NFL franchise, you don't get an expansion franchise, even with the most rabid fanbase...just ask the city of Baltimore about that--they had to steal the Browns to get the NFL back in Baltimore, with as storied a history as the Colts had while in that city along with undying support from the fanbase.

Envision a future in which another owner takes charge of the Bengals with a vision like Robert Kraft...I bet nobody here remembers when the Patriots STANK and the fans barely attended....look what a change in ownership did...

For that matter, take the Green Bay Packers and their ownership model--they are owned by the season ticket holders, who vote on the GM based on performance....how many here would support that setup? I daresay a majority of the board. Bad owners come and go....NFL franchises should be treasured due to their rarity--don't let the Bengals EVER walk...it's the same reason you don't fire a hall of fame coach...they don't grow on trees.

On the other side of the coin, the Browns have turned over their ownership every few years and look where that has them now.

On the other hand, had the city of Cleveland given Art Modell the stadium he wanted, he would have stayed, and the Browns would hold the Super Bowl trophies that now belong to the Ravens..

Cuts both ways.

City initially offered the Browns and Art instead wanted to rehab Municipal Stadium. What pissed Art off was the City offered the Indians help with Gateway thus poaching Art's summer tenant. Indians were becoming top dog. Art over extended himself on bad business deals and was severely in debt. Art was his own worst emeny.