SUNY Buffalo State has D3 teams in the programs that Buffalo is cutting as does Erie CC at the NJCAA level so for those that are local athletes there will be a place for them to go and compete.

(04-03-2017 06:48 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 06:35 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 06:30 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Ice hockey had been rumored in the past, but those rumored have died down.

Lax teams would be perfect for UB though. Both would be quite popular with students, many of whom played.

It's almost criminal that UB doesn't have hockey or lax. Maybe this announcementioned paves the way.

Nope.... None coming.

Of course they will deny new sports are coming. But if a major gift is coming down, they have already cleared the landing path so new sports can start. Give it at least six months, probably a year.

Admin never want to tie dropping sports with adding new ones, as that scapegoats the new ones.

IT'S NOT COMING....

(04-03-2017 07:44 PM)NoDak Wrote:  \Yeah. Terry Pegula gave Penn St a major gift to start hockey, now owns the Sabres and Bills, and his company recently partnered with the Bulls. Canisius was just granted rights to play DI hockey in the Sabres practice facility downtown, pure tinfoil hat territory.

Donated a big chunk to Houghton College NY to build new athletics facilites so that could get in the Empire 8 DIII conference.

He gave his alma mater a huge check, he gave his wifes alma mater a huge check, and he has a business deal with some local colleges...

IT'S NOT HAPPENING

(04-03-2017 10:21 AM)BullBoy Wrote:  And I will say this too.. We all love Athletics and that is why we are on the message board, but a University is more than just an Athletic Department. UB is building world-class medical facilities and the $2 million they are going to save each year will go to some of these projects. It was just not fiscally possible to maintain 20 sports right now.

Well Buffalo only had one winning season in MAC baseball (2013) so at least not a lot of tradition was lost here.

(04-04-2017 07:30 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  I'd love to see Buffalo start hockey. It could be what the MAC needs to maybe start our own hockey conference or revive the old CCHA brand by prying Miami and Western Michigan away from the NCHC, bringing in Bowling Green and some of the eastern WCHA schools, and bringing in Robert Morris and other western New York schools as well.

With North Dakota heading to the B1G, BGSU should make a play for the NCHC.

They would be a Loyola type addition with a National Championship in 1984.

Schools are in business to provide education. Scholarships help accomplish that by providing education to people who otherwise perhaps wouldn't be able to afford it. I hate seeing sport programs cut just so schools have more money to pay coaches and athletic directors or overspend on facilities unrelated to education.

(04-06-2017 06:35 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-04-2017 07:30 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  I'd love to see Buffalo start hockey. It could be what the MAC needs to maybe start our own hockey conference or revive the old CCHA brand by prying Miami and Western Michigan away from the NCHC, bringing in Bowling Green and some of the eastern WCHA schools, and bringing in Robert Morris and other western New York schools as well.

With North Dakota heading to the B1G, BGSU should make a play for the NCHC.

Bowling Green is definitely monitoring that situation. Other schools are as well. Minnesota State Mankato applied to the NCHC last year, but the conference decided not to expand. (They were apparently also considering Arizona State.)

If North Dakota were to leave, would the NCHC be as attractive? I'm not sure.

In my heart, I think the MAC hockey schools would be better off in a more Great Lakes-oriented conference, and I hope we can make that happen someday.

(04-06-2017 08:09 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Schools are in business to provide education. Scholarships help accomplish that by providing education to people who otherwise perhaps wouldn't be able to afford it. I hate seeing sport programs cut just so schools have more money to pay coaches and athletic directors or overspend on facilities unrelated to education.

I agree with much of what you say.

A scholarship, academic or athletic, may, indeed, help a prospective student get an education he or she may not have gotten.

We seem to have a bias toward those with great GPAs and test scores, but there is no sin even giving a half scholarship to an Olympic sport athlete and help him or her get a college education.

Typically Olympic sports athletes tend to be good students and would be the first to lose their scholarships if the athletic department cuts sports to save $.

(04-06-2017 08:09 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Schools are in business to provide education. Scholarships help accomplish that by providing education to people who otherwise perhaps wouldn't be able to afford it. I hate seeing sport programs cut just so schools have more money to pay coaches and athletic directors or overspend on facilities unrelated to education.

I don't disagree with this, but this isn't why our four sports were cut. The $2 million is not being reinvested into athletics. Its is going to a different part of the University.

(04-06-2017 10:19 AM)BullBoy Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 08:09 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Schools are in business to provide education. Scholarships help accomplish that by providing education to people who otherwise perhaps wouldn't be able to afford it. I hate seeing sport programs cut just so schools have more money to pay coaches and athletic directors or overspend on facilities unrelated to education.

I don't disagree with this, but this isn't why our four sports were cut. The $2 million is not being reinvested into athletics. Its is going to a different part of the University.

What I'm saying is I hate seeing such a large % of athletic expenses going to pay inflated coach salaries. Akron when it cut baseball said it saved them $700k annually. Assuming that is roughly what Buffalo's cost that means those other 3 sports cost on average about $430k. Lance Leipold alone makes $400k+ before incentives despite coaching a 2-10 football team.

Akron spent $10.5 million on staff compared to just $7.25 million on scholarships. That's what I have a problem with. In my opinion those numbers should be reversed.

(04-06-2017 11:46 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:19 AM)BullBoy Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 08:09 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Schools are in business to provide education. Scholarships help accomplish that by providing education to people who otherwise perhaps wouldn't be able to afford it. I hate seeing sport programs cut just so schools have more money to pay coaches and athletic directors or overspend on facilities unrelated to education.

I don't disagree with this, but this isn't why our four sports were cut. The $2 million is not being reinvested into athletics. Its is going to a different part of the University.

What I'm saying is I hate seeing such a large % of athletic expenses going to pay inflated coach salaries. Akron when it cut baseball said it saved them $700k annually. Assuming that is roughly what Buffalo's cost that means those other 3 sports cost on average about $430k. Lance Leipold alone makes $400k+ before incentives despite coaching a 2-10 football team.

Akron spent $10.5 million on staff compared to just $7.25 million on scholarships. That's what I have a problem with. In my opinion those numbers should be reversed.

As fans of Buffalo and Akron, i think you and I are in the same boat when we say that football does get too much of the pie and I would love for those resources to go to our successful basketball programs.

(04-06-2017 11:46 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:19 AM)BullBoy Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 08:09 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Schools are in business to provide education. Scholarships help accomplish that by providing education to people who otherwise perhaps wouldn't be able to afford it. I hate seeing sport programs cut just so schools have more money to pay coaches and athletic directors or overspend on facilities unrelated to education.

I don't disagree with this, but this isn't why our four sports were cut. The $2 million is not being reinvested into athletics. Its is going to a different part of the University.

What I'm saying is I hate seeing such a large % of athletic expenses going to pay inflated coach salaries. Akron when it cut baseball said it saved them $700k annually. Assuming that is roughly what Buffalo's cost that means those other 3 sports cost on average about $430k. Lance Leipold alone makes $400k+ before incentives despite coaching a 2-10 football team.

Akron spent $10.5 million on staff compared to just $7.25 million on scholarships. That's what I have a problem with. In my opinion those numbers should be reversed.

I hate that coaches make more than the president of the university. How many businesses are there that an individual can make more than his boss and the company president? Hell there are assistant coaches making more than the president. Which translates to making more than your boss's boss's boss...

(04-06-2017 01:24 PM)BullBoy Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 11:46 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:19 AM)BullBoy Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 08:09 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Schools are in business to provide education. Scholarships help accomplish that by providing education to people who otherwise perhaps wouldn't be able to afford it. I hate seeing sport programs cut just so schools have more money to pay coaches and athletic directors or overspend on facilities unrelated to education.

I don't disagree with this, but this isn't why our four sports were cut. The $2 million is not being reinvested into athletics. Its is going to a different part of the University.

What I'm saying is I hate seeing such a large % of athletic expenses going to pay inflated coach salaries. Akron when it cut baseball said it saved them $700k annually. Assuming that is roughly what Buffalo's cost that means those other 3 sports cost on average about $430k. Lance Leipold alone makes $400k+ before incentives despite coaching a 2-10 football team.

Akron spent $10.5 million on staff compared to just $7.25 million on scholarships. That's what I have a problem with. In my opinion those numbers should be reversed.

As fans of Buffalo and Akron, i think you and I are in the same boat when we say that football does get too much of the pie and I would love for those resources to go to our successful basketball programs.

Spending at UB per scholarship football student athlete was about 88K
Spending at UB per scholarship baseball student athlete was about 72K

Not a huge difference.

(04-07-2017 10:18 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 01:24 PM)BullBoy Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 11:46 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:19 AM)BullBoy Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 08:09 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Schools are in business to provide education. Scholarships help accomplish that by providing education to people who otherwise perhaps wouldn't be able to afford it. I hate seeing sport programs cut just so schools have more money to pay coaches and athletic directors or overspend on facilities unrelated to education.

I don't disagree with this, but this isn't why our four sports were cut. The $2 million is not being reinvested into athletics. Its is going to a different part of the University.

What I'm saying is I hate seeing such a large % of athletic expenses going to pay inflated coach salaries. Akron when it cut baseball said it saved them $700k annually. Assuming that is roughly what Buffalo's cost that means those other 3 sports cost on average about $430k. Lance Leipold alone makes $400k+ before incentives despite coaching a 2-10 football team.

Akron spent $10.5 million on staff compared to just $7.25 million on scholarships. That's what I have a problem with. In my opinion those numbers should be reversed.

As fans of Buffalo and Akron, i think you and I are in the same boat when we say that football does get too much of the pie and I would love for those resources to go to our successful basketball programs.

Spending at UB per scholarship football student athlete was about 88K
Spending at UB per scholarship baseball student athlete was about 72K

Not a huge difference.

16k X 85 = $1.36 million. I'd say that's a huge difference.

(04-07-2017 10:18 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Spending at UB per scholarship football student athlete was about 88K
Spending at UB per scholarship baseball student athlete was about 72K

Not a huge difference.

Is that per scholarship student, or per FTE scholarship?

(04-07-2017 06:56 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 10:18 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 01:24 PM)BullBoy Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 11:46 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 10:19 AM)BullBoy Wrote:  I don't disagree with this, but this isn't why our four sports were cut. The $2 million is not being reinvested into athletics. Its is going to a different part of the University.

What I'm saying is I hate seeing such a large % of athletic expenses going to pay inflated coach salaries. Akron when it cut baseball said it saved them $700k annually. Assuming that is roughly what Buffalo's cost that means those other 3 sports cost on average about $430k. Lance Leipold alone makes $400k+ before incentives despite coaching a 2-10 football team.

Akron spent $10.5 million on staff compared to just $7.25 million on scholarships. That's what I have a problem with. In my opinion those numbers should be reversed.

As fans of Buffalo and Akron, i think you and I are in the same boat when we say that football does get too much of the pie and I would love for those resources to go to our successful basketball programs.

Spending at UB per scholarship football student athlete was about 88K
Spending at UB per scholarship baseball student athlete was about 72K

Not a huge difference.

16k X 85 = $1.36 million. I'd say that's a huge difference.

Not enough to save the sports.... 2 million in cuts meant rowing, rowing meant 20 mens scholarships had to go...

(04-07-2017 08:28 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 10:18 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Spending at UB per scholarship football student athlete was about 88K
Spending at UB per scholarship baseball student athlete was about 72K

Not a huge difference.

Is that per scholarship student, or per FTE scholarship?

Per FTE scholarship.

(04-09-2017 04:02 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 08:28 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 10:18 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Spending at UB per scholarship football student athlete was about 88K
Spending at UB per scholarship baseball student athlete was about 72K

Not a huge difference.

Is that per scholarship student, or per FTE scholarship?

Per FTE scholarship.

So if the average baseball scholarship is a 3/4 ride, that's $54k per scholarship baseball athlete. If the average baseball scholarship is a 1/2 ride, that's $36K per scholarship baseball athlete.

And baseball is the most expensive of the subsidy sports (maybe other than hockey, with a different mix of facilities and travel costs, but the MAC does not sponsor hockey).

(04-09-2017 04:02 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 06:56 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(04-07-2017 10:18 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 01:24 PM)BullBoy Wrote:  

(04-06-2017 11:46 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  What I'm saying is I hate seeing such a large % of athletic expenses going to pay inflated coach salaries. Akron when it cut baseball said it saved them $700k annually. Assuming that is roughly what Buffalo's cost that means those other 3 sports cost on average about $430k. Lance Leipold alone makes $400k+ before incentives despite coaching a 2-10 football team.

Akron spent $10.5 million on staff compared to just $7.25 million on scholarships. That's what I have a problem with. In my opinion those numbers should be reversed.

As fans of Buffalo and Akron, i think you and I are in the same boat when we say that football does get too much of the pie and I would love for those resources to go to our successful basketball programs.

Spending at UB per scholarship football student athlete was about 88K
Spending at UB per scholarship baseball student athlete was about 72K

Not a huge difference.

16k X 85 = $1.36 million. I'd say that's a huge difference.

Not enough to save the sports.... 2 million in cuts meant rowing, rowing meant 20 mens scholarships had to go...

Baseball alone costs ~700k so it would have been enough to save 3 of the 4 sports.

Actually believe it or not Rowing was the most expensive sport we cut. The roster alone is 85 to help with Football for Title IX.. Between that and buying rowing shells and shipping them across the country for races, you are looking at close to a $1 million budget.. Problem is when you cut a sport of 85, you need to do some serious work on the men's side to keep those Title IX numbers in compliance