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WTF is wrong with people? Like even if you're such an ass, that you'd think molestation is okay so long as the victims becomes wealthy, why would you say that out loud? You know the average person isn't pro-child molestation. There's no positive way to spin that. I really think some places in college football have become like cults. These people are lost from a moral standpoint.

You will never find a more delusional group than the Ped State diehards. "Cover up and aid & abet child rape for 3 decades? No problem! FOOTBALL!!"

They should have been banned from the NCAA. All sports.

(03-30-2017 08:37 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  You will never find a more delusional group than the Ped State diehards. "Cover up and aid & abet child rape for 3 decades? No problem! FOOTBALL!!"

They should have been banned from the NCAA. All sports.

Agreed 100%. And the university's actions since being let off the hook make it even more obvious they should have gotten the death penalty. I heard two of the Paternos were trying to get on the board recently. Why won't they just go away?

(03-30-2017 08:37 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  You will never find a more delusional group than the Ped State diehards. "Cover up and aid & abet child rape for 3 decades? No problem! FOOTBALL!!"

They should have been banned from the NCAA. All sports.

No reason to punish the athletes.

I would have dissolved the football program for 8-10 years. Allowing all players to transfer to any other program with immediate eligibility

I wanted Pediphile State U to get the death penalty and subsequent events reinforce that feeling.

Being heartless is bad enough but being dumb enough to say it is STUPID.

The NCAA is a paper tiger with big names.

I have never felt any punishment from the NCAA was warranted. This was and always has been a legal issue.

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(03-31-2017 06:12 AM)subflea Wrote:  I have never felt any punishment from the NCAA was warranted. This was and always has been a legal issue.

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Completely agree. NCAA should be dealing with competitive balance issues. This is an issue of criminal behavior

The rapes were criminal conduct by Sandusky, yes. The cover up was behavior by Ped State with the intent of benefitting the football program. That makes it an NCAA issue. The sole reason they buried this and kept Sandusky on was for Ws. They are disgusting human beings and the NCAA should refuse to associate with them. Let the NAIA have them.

Look at it this way: if I owned a McDonalds and my manager raped a bunch of boys but I covered it up because he was really good at his job and I didn't want the bad press, how long do you think I'd be able to keep my franchise? 0.1 seconds, maybe? If the NCAA had a shred of integrity they'd cut ties with an organization that covers up boy rape for 3 decades.

I wouldn't have punished the athletes, either. Simply remove Ped State from the NCAA and make all athletes free to transfer.

(03-31-2017 06:19 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 06:12 AM)subflea Wrote:  I have never felt any punishment from the NCAA was warranted. This was and always has been a legal issue.

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Completely agree. NCAA should be dealing with competitive balance issues. This is an issue of criminal behavior

If it was just about what Sandusky did I would agree. The problem was there was a cover up by university employees with intent to protect the football program. I absolutely believe the NCAA was warranted in punishing Penn State.

I am against the death penalty for the program. There are a finite number of athletic scholarships available and eliminating the penn state program gets rid of what 20-25 scholarships a year? The kids that would have gone to penn state don't suffer, but the kids that would have gone to various small schools whose scholarships are now going to different kids will. To me that is a high cost to pay.

I personally believe financial costs would be better. Foregoing TV money for X years, sending a portion of ticket gate to the NCAA...etc.

Lastly, what this guy said in this article is despicable. I don't get how anyone could even think that kind of thing, but I am really baffled by how anyone could lack the common sense to keep that opinion to themselves. What would possess someone to think saying that would go over in anyway other than awful?

(03-31-2017 06:12 AM)subflea Wrote:  I have never felt any punishment from the NCAA was warranted. This was and always has been a legal issue.

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If the school/AD office had intervened when they first found out what was happening, I would agree with you. That would be an example of a criminal act that was out of their control and had nothing to do with the FB program.

But they not only kept a lid on what they knew and retained the guy, they were letting the him hold kids FB camps at their FB facilities for years.

Penn State's motives were clearly to protect Penn State and Penn State FB. Maybe that was more to protect the school's reputation from damage, maybe it was more to shield a guy who was a big part in bringing in and coaching a lot of seriously strong LB talent. Tough to say - but it went on long enough that I don't see any reason to give Penn State the benefit of the doubt either way.

(03-31-2017 07:21 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 06:19 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 06:12 AM)subflea Wrote:  I have never felt any punishment from the NCAA was warranted. This was and always has been a legal issue.

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Completely agree. NCAA should be dealing with competitive balance issues. This is an issue of criminal behavior

If it was just about what Sandusky did I would agree. The problem was there was a cover up by university employees with intent to protect the football program. I absolutely believe the NCAA was warranted in punishing Penn State.

I am against the death penalty for the program. There are a finite number of athletic scholarships available and eliminating the penn state program gets rid of what 20-25 scholarships a year? The kids that would have gone to penn state don't suffer, but the kids that would have gone to various small schools whose scholarships are now going to different kids will. To me that is a high cost to pay.

I personally believe financial costs would be better. Foregoing TV money for X years, sending a portion of ticket gate to the NCAA...etc.

Lastly, what this guy said in this article is despicable. I don't get how anyone could even think that kind of thing, but I am really baffled by how anyone could lack the common sense to keep that opinion to themselves. What would possess someone to think saying that would go over in anyway other than awful?

I am not exaggerating when I say there is a common belief among the Penn State faithful that sees PENN STATE as the "Victims" in this...not the young men who were raped.

So honestly, the "common sense" is severely hampered. The trustee, honestly doesn't see the young men as "victims" but rather he sees them as beneficiaries of Penn State. And he is not an "isolated" person in this. I don't live far from the PA border and I have heard other Penn State people state a similar view on radio call in shows and in polite conversation.

In short, he sees no reason to "keep it to himself" because he honestly thinks he's part of the "innocent" victim group.

(03-31-2017 07:21 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 06:19 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 06:12 AM)subflea Wrote:  I have never felt any punishment from the NCAA was warranted. This was and always has been a legal issue.

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Completely agree. NCAA should be dealing with competitive balance issues. This is an issue of criminal behavior

If it was just about what Sandusky did I would agree. The problem was there was a cover up by university employees with intent to protect the football program. I absolutely believe the NCAA was warranted in punishing Penn State.

I am against the death penalty for the program. There are a finite number of athletic scholarships available and eliminating the penn state program gets rid of what 20-25 scholarships a year? The kids that would have gone to penn state don't suffer, but the kids that would have gone to various small schools whose scholarships are now going to different kids will. To me that is a high cost to pay.

I personally believe financial costs would be better. Foregoing TV money for X years, sending a portion of ticket gate to the NCAA...etc.

Lastly, what this guy said in this article is despicable. I don't get how anyone could even think that kind of thing, but I am really baffled by how anyone could lack the common sense to keep that opinion to themselves. What would possess someone to think saying that would go over in anyway other than awful?

That is a take (regarding scholarships) I have never considered. Although I am not sure the accounting would have quite worked out that way. Available scholarship numbers across schools flex constantly through redshirting, kids deciding to stop playing FB, injuries etc.

Anyway, I think, using the same line of reason, you might predict a bigger and very direct impact on Penn State's non-revenue producing and "title IX" sport athletes. PA State would lose 100+ scholarships and the massive amount of FB revenue (tix, conessions, tv) that supported those scholarships and pretty much all the other non-revenue sports scholarships combined.

I think it would have been very tough for Penn State to bite the bullet and spend many 100s of millions to fully fund those other sports until FB was reinstated. The B1G may have rules dictating their options under their conference agreement but by title IX rules I believe they could elect to cut any number of scholarships up to the 100+ that FB vacated.

The university and athletic department looked the other way and tried to cover it up to protect their football program, it's coach, and it's money.

Because of that they should have received the 'death penalty' for a few years.

Penn State is but one of many circumstances that has turned me away from college sports.

Al Lord already WAS an idiot who swims in the gutters. He's made stupid comments before, he's currently involved in multiple (not just one!) FBI investigations as regards politician bribes, and he was fairly corrupt in how he made his millions as the CEO of Sallie Mae.

I wasn't surprised yesterday when I read that he has decided to swim at even lower levels.

I am baffled people who know they're in a high profile situation and have an unpopular opinion think it's wise to voice that opinion. What is in it for them? Was it worth it?

I am even more baffled that people get in these positions in the first place that don't understand basic PR or common sense, nevermind the lack of tact in saying something like this. It definitely makes you wonder how that person was successful at anything.

(03-31-2017 06:12 AM)subflea Wrote:  I have never felt any punishment from the NCAA was warranted. This was and always has been a legal issue.

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Disagree. It was the ultimate case of Lack of Institutional Control. The football coach was literally running the entire university. They AD didn't comply with the Clery Act on his orders. A university VP was fired on his orders for suggesting that football players go through the same disciplinary channels as normal students. And of course, a pedophile was not reported to the authorities on his orders. All of this was done to not only protect the football program from any scandal but to protect his personal myth and cult as holier-than-thou and better than everyone else in college athletics.

As for his cult, they can never accept the reality of what he was and what he did. Over the decades, Paterno instilled a belief in them that they weren't just rooting for a better football team and football coach than the other guys. They believed that they were better, more moral people because they were attached to Paterno's football program. Their sense of self-worth came to be wrapped up in Paterno's "Grand Experiment" and "Success With Honor" BS, and they can never let it go. I doubt Ped State can ever be a normal university until much of the alumni who came of age in the Paterno years dies off.

(03-31-2017 08:54 AM)uccheese Wrote:  I am baffled people who know they're in a high profile situation and have an unpopular opinion think it's wise to voice that opinion. What is in it for them? Was it worth it?

I am even more baffled that people get in these positions in the first place that don't understand basic PR or common sense, nevermind the lack of tact in saying something like this. It definitely makes you wonder how that person was successful at anything.

I disagree. I wish it was more common for people to say what they actually believe rather than what they think people want to hear. And that holds even if I disagree with their true opinion. In fact that holds especially if I disagree with their true opinion.

(03-31-2017 11:23 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 08:54 AM)uccheese Wrote:  I am baffled people who know they're in a high profile situation and have an unpopular opinion think it's wise to voice that opinion. What is in it for them? Was it worth it?

I am even more baffled that people get in these positions in the first place that don't understand basic PR or common sense, nevermind the lack of tact in saying something like this. It definitely makes you wonder how that person was successful at anything.

I disagree. I wish it was more common for people to say what they actually believe rather than what they think people want to hear. And that holds even if I disagree with their true opinion. In fact that holds especially if I disagree with their true opinion.

That's why I like UBER. They're despicable, but they're willing to speak and act the way 99% of Silicon Valley actually feels behind closed doors but is too savvy to let out. It helps strip away the myth of SV as some geeky, cool, hoodie wearing benign force in the American economy and society.

Ped St and Baylor shouldnt even have football right now...unreal