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Makes some sense to me. Pittsburgh is nearby but a bigger more interesting city. Dambrot can rely on existing regional recruiting and basketball connections. it won't be a big upheaval for family. it's a better conference. it's good money. it's a challenge. he'd dominated the MAC. never quite got the zips to make a national run, but was successful. akron fans will be a little sore but in 10 years when he retires and akron puts up a banner to honor him everyone will cheer.
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(03-27-2017 11:00 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  Leaving the MAC for Duquesne...says a lot about this crap conference.

The city of Pittsburgh has gotten EMU's AD and Akron's MBB coach.

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(03-28-2017 03:23 AM)pono Wrote:  Makes some sense to me. Pittsburgh is nearby but a bigger more interesting city. Dambrot can rely on existing regional recruiting and basketball connections. it won't be a big upheaval for family. it's a better conference. it's good money. it's a challenge. he'd dominated the MAC. never quite got the zips to make a national run, but was successful. akron fans will be a little sore but in 10 years when he retires and akron puts up a banner to honor him everyone will cheer.

I have no hard feelings against Dambrot for leaving as he's done so much. What I'm bitter about is him poaching our recruits and, more importantly, players currently on our roster. He talks about how he has built Akron up and now he wants the same opportunity for his 2nd home. In the process of trying to build up Duquesne, he will single handedly set Akron basketball back the 13 years he put into it is as he's going to leave a gutted roster for whoever the next coach is.
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BTW, who is the assoc HC for Akron?

What happens with the assistant coaches?

Curious about Charles Thomas, a fmr. EMU player.
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(03-27-2017 11:47 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(03-27-2017 11:00 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  Leaving the MAC for Duquesne...says a lot about this crap conference.

leaving the MAC for Dewkesney says nothing about the MAC and everything about Keith "whoa is me" Dambrot.

Keep telling yourself that. The MAC is a crapshoot, 1 bid basketball conference.
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(03-28-2017 06:21 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 03:23 AM)pono Wrote:  Makes some sense to me. Pittsburgh is nearby but a bigger more interesting city. Dambrot can rely on existing regional recruiting and basketball connections. it won't be a big upheaval for family. it's a better conference. it's good money. it's a challenge. he'd dominated the MAC. never quite got the zips to make a national run, but was successful. akron fans will be a little sore but in 10 years when he retires and akron puts up a banner to honor him everyone will cheer.

I have no hard feelings against Dambrot for leaving as he's done so much. What I'm bitter about is him poaching our recruits and, more importantly, players currently on our roster. He talks about how he has built Akron up and now he wants the same opportunity for his 2nd home. In the process of trying to build up Duquesne, he will single handedly set Akron basketball back the 13 years he put into it is as he's going to leave a gutted roster for whoever the next coach is.

So.....he is doing what literally every coach in America does after they get a new job elsewhere?
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(03-28-2017 07:54 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 06:21 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 03:23 AM)pono Wrote:  Makes some sense to me. Pittsburgh is nearby but a bigger more interesting city. Dambrot can rely on existing regional recruiting and basketball connections. it won't be a big upheaval for family. it's a better conference. it's good money. it's a challenge. he'd dominated the MAC. never quite got the zips to make a national run, but was successful. akron fans will be a little sore but in 10 years when he retires and akron puts up a banner to honor him everyone will cheer.

I have no hard feelings against Dambrot for leaving as he's done so much. What I'm bitter about is him poaching our recruits and, more importantly, players currently on our roster. He talks about how he has built Akron up and now he wants the same opportunity for his 2nd home. In the process of trying to build up Duquesne, he will single handedly set Akron basketball back the 13 years he put into it is as he's going to leave a gutted roster for whoever the next coach is.

So.....he is doing what literally every coach in America does after they get a new job elsewhere?

So...doesn't mean I have to like it.
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(03-28-2017 07:54 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 06:21 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 03:23 AM)pono Wrote:  Makes some sense to me. Pittsburgh is nearby but a bigger more interesting city. Dambrot can rely on existing regional recruiting and basketball connections. it won't be a big upheaval for family. it's a better conference. it's good money. it's a challenge. he'd dominated the MAC. never quite got the zips to make a national run, but was successful. akron fans will be a little sore but in 10 years when he retires and akron puts up a banner to honor him everyone will cheer.

I have no hard feelings against Dambrot for leaving as he's done so much. What I'm bitter about is him poaching our recruits and, more importantly, players currently on our roster. He talks about how he has built Akron up and now he wants the same opportunity for his 2nd home. In the process of trying to build up Duquesne, he will single handedly set Akron basketball back the 13 years he put into it is as he's going to leave a gutted roster for whoever the next coach is.

So.....he is doing what literally every coach in America does after they get a new job elsewhere?

I hated to see it when Hurley did it, and I hate to see it now...

And to be fair, when John Groce left Ohio for Illinois he didn't take the only recruit he had coming in (Caris LeVert) with him. When Christian left Ohio for BC, he didn't take any recruits (granted none were as good as LeVert). So I would say a lot but not "literally every coach".
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(03-28-2017 08:28 AM)Eagle66 Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 07:54 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 06:21 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 03:23 AM)pono Wrote:  Makes some sense to me. Pittsburgh is nearby but a bigger more interesting city. Dambrot can rely on existing regional recruiting and basketball connections. it won't be a big upheaval for family. it's a better conference. it's good money. it's a challenge. he'd dominated the MAC. never quite got the zips to make a national run, but was successful. akron fans will be a little sore but in 10 years when he retires and akron puts up a banner to honor him everyone will cheer.

I have no hard feelings against Dambrot for leaving as he's done so much. What I'm bitter about is him poaching our recruits and, more importantly, players currently on our roster. He talks about how he has built Akron up and now he wants the same opportunity for his 2nd home. In the process of trying to build up Duquesne, he will single handedly set Akron basketball back the 13 years he put into it is as he's going to leave a gutted roster for whoever the next coach is.

So.....he is doing what literally every coach in America does after they get a new job elsewhere?

I hated to see it when Hurley did it, and I hate to see it now...

And to be fair, when John Groce left Ohio for Illinois he didn't take the only recruit he had coming in (Caris LeVert) with him. When Christian left Ohio for BC, he didn't take any recruits (granted none were as good as LeVert). So I would say a lot but not "literally every coach".

There is a bit of a different between going from a MAC school to a Big Ten/ACC school and going from a MAC school to an A10 school.

But technically you are correct.
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(03-28-2017 07:58 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 07:54 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 06:21 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-28-2017 03:23 AM)pono Wrote:  Makes some sense to me. Pittsburgh is nearby but a bigger more interesting city. Dambrot can rely on existing regional recruiting and basketball connections. it won't be a big upheaval for family. it's a better conference. it's good money. it's a challenge. he'd dominated the MAC. never quite got the zips to make a national run, but was successful. akron fans will be a little sore but in 10 years when he retires and akron puts up a banner to honor him everyone will cheer.

I have no hard feelings against Dambrot for leaving as he's done so much. What I'm bitter about is him poaching our recruits and, more importantly, players currently on our roster. He talks about how he has built Akron up and now he wants the same opportunity for his 2nd home. In the process of trying to build up Duquesne, he will single handedly set Akron basketball back the 13 years he put into it is as he's going to leave a gutted roster for whoever the next coach is.

So.....he is doing what literally every coach in America does after they get a new job elsewhere?

So...doesn't mean I have to like it.

I don't blame you, I would not like it either. That's just the state of college sports these days.

Will someone poach Montgomery from NIU please?
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(03-28-2017 06:30 AM)emu steve Wrote:  BTW, who is the assoc HC for Akron?

What happens with the assistant coaches?

Curious about Charles Thomas, a fmr. EMU player.

I guess McFadden is the big dog of the assistant coaches.

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(03-28-2017 06:30 AM)emu steve Wrote:  BTW, who is the assoc HC for Akron?

What happens with the assistant coaches?

Curious about Charles Thomas, a fmr. EMU player.

Yes, he plans on taking the staff.
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Wow... Some serious salt over on Zipsnation. They were taking a dump all over Duquesne a couple of days ago..
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Fans are completely unreasonable: that's what a fanatic is. They want loyalty from their players and coaches, but only from successful players and coaches. When a coach starts losing, fans quit talking about loyalty. Yeah, it's hypocritical but fans by definition are not going to be logical, consistent, or right. Only fans are going to be unwaveringly loyal. For players, coaches, and AD's, it's a job and they will be "loyal" for only as long as it's in their best interests to be there. When they are better off leaving, they leave, unless they get fired or encouraged to go play elsewhere.
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(03-28-2017 11:18 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Wow... Some serious salt over on Zipsnation. They were taking a dump all over Duquesne a couple of days ago..
It can be justified. Duquesne is a Dead End in Basketball. I understand why he did it, but why go there, do a major rebuild and hope that you get a At-Large bid before the contract is up?

The A-10 may be a multi-bid League, but dead weight is still dead weight and this could not end well, especially if what people was saying is true about other coaches saying pass on that job......

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He did all he could with the built-in limitations at Akron. With an upgraded facility and a little better conference at Duq. he will be able to do a little more and earn a little more. Good for him.
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He's 59 and has another 5yrs, $2.0M-$2.5M left on his contract with Akron. He goes to Dewdsasaadwjs and get $7M over 7yrs. After 3yrs he can either retire early at 62 with more than he would've made at Akron, or rides it out till he's 66 and call it quits with 7 large in his pocket. Either way, its not a bad move.
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(03-28-2017 11:18 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Wow... Some serious salt over on Zipsnation. They were taking a dump all over Duquesne a couple of days ago..

And why wouldn't people dump all over Duquesne (BTW, can't count me in on the zipsnation crowd, since I haven't said a word there).

Outside of A-10, what does Duquesne have going for it?

Great local recruiting base? Name me the last big-time recruit from the Pittsburgh area. It's probably Zeke Marshall, or DeJuan Blair. That's now going back almost 10 years since his recruitment started. In fact, Dambrot had as many NBA players from his own backyard who wanted to come to Akron but weren't offered (C.J. McCollum and Larry Nance Jr.) than the entire W. Pa. region has produced in the past 10 years.

Out of the shadow of a bigger program? Well, Pitt (which hasn't exactly relied on in-region recruiting to build its profile) is right next door.

Local media? I see some on Zipsnation talked about how the Pittsburgh media has covered the hire makes that job bigger than Akron. ... Well, because it was a hire between professional football season and the start of MLB. Plus, how much does local media really mean if you're a second-tier school in your own league, who is second-tier in your own city and located in a city that doesn't produce much talent, anyway? Hell, the Terry Bowden hire made Cleveland media waves when it was announced.

I do understand the personal connection Dambrot has to Duquesne, and I understand that Duquesne is investing in the program. I also understand his frustration for the perceived notion that the MAC is simply a "one-bid league."

However, part of the reason the MAC has been a one-bid league is because of his lack of taking what has been the marquee team in the league to anything other than a bunch of MAC title game appearances and first-round knockouts. So, part of that is on his shoulders. Especially since, it's not like he started whatever MAC East arms race there is to begin with. Gary Waters (Kent) started that; it led to Akron hiring Dambrot; led to Ohio getting more serious about it's coaching budget; and all that led to Buffalo building what it has/is built under Hurley/Oates.

I'm not going to wish any ill-will toward Dambrot, but if he thought he had it rough at Akron, he's going to have it twice as rough at Duquesne. ... He has less of a recruiting base (unless he thinks he can draw Philly area kids to Duquesne ... kids that could go to LaSalle if they dream of the A-10). In Ohio, to get a better tier of recruits, he is now definitely competing against Dayton, Xavier and the rest of the MAC (combined) ... along with Cincinnati and Ohio State. But he now has to sell them on an out of state school with no tradition.

Basically, I don't see how this is going to work for him, other than he's 58 years old and sees that he has $1 million a year coming for the next seven ... so not a bad retirement plan. More power to him for that.

For Akron, the program is at a crossroads for sure. The university lost its high floor, low ceiling coach for ?????. If they are willing to invest in the program at the same level they invested in it under Dambrot, things will be fine.

If they decide to go the cheap route (and finances may dictate that), then the program could be in for some trouble.

But lets just say the school is serious about maintaining its hoops program, there is a lot more upside (even in the MAC) than there is at Duquesne and Akron could come out of this ahead in the long term.

Akron still has all the same negatives (that KD liked to play up). But it also has some positives that I don't think KD acknowledged enough:

1. Talent: Northeast Ohio (due to the LeBron in the early 2000s) has taken major strides in becoming a H.S. hoops hotbed. Just this past weekend, all four state champion schools in Ohio came from within 40 miles of the UA campus (and Kent's). Over the past decade, look at the overall amount of talent the state has produced, it definitely trends towards the northeast part of the state.

2. Success: You have to credit Dambrot for this, because despite whatever failures he has had in MAC tournaments, he makes up for in consistency. Coaches at least know this can/will be a stable position (and probably now be a stepping stone like Kent or Ohio) if they win.

3. Location: Yes, Akron and Kent compete against each other (and there is YSU and CSU locally), but there is not a major program within 100 miles. You have to go to Pitt (east), Ohio State (South), Michigan (north) to find the nearest high-major. To the west, what is it ... Indiana/Northwestern/Wisconsin? Unlike, say Miami, which is in the middle of a ton of marquee teams, you don't have that in Akron.

Personally, I hope Akron can land former assistant Lamont Paris (Wisconsin) then bring in Akron St. Vincent-St. Mary High School head coach Dru Joyce III as a top assistant. If they can do that, and Paris gets higher offers, it could set up similar to what Buffalo has had to deal with when Hurley left and they turned things over to Oates ... or even a bit like Akron when they turned things over from Hipsher to Dambrot (who was one-year removed from the HS ranks ... also at St. Vincent-St. Mary)
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I fully expect Dambrot to use his name and LeBron connection to recruit NEO heavily. I see it as an obstacle that the next coach will have to overcome. On ZN.o I threw out the same idea of making Joyce an assistant. Having a coach on staff to help us keep the local talent home would be a valuable asset to have.
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(03-28-2017 08:59 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I fully expect Dambrot to use his name and LeBron connection to recruit NEO heavily. I see it as an obstacle that the next coach will have to overcome. On ZN.o I threw out the same idea of making Joyce an assistant. Having a coach on staff to help us keep the local talent home would be a valuable asset to have.

In the grand scheme of things, how much did the LeBron name really help Akron in terms of locking down a local player? Josh Williams? That's about it in the last 10 years.

Yeah, there was Demetrius Treadwell, Nick Harney, Jimond Ivey (all from east side of Cleveland... a place Dambrot hardly recruited until being over athleted by Kent and such for years), but those guys weren't pushed to UA simply due to some LeBron relationship.

If anything, if LeBron meant that much to locking down "local" talent, no way does Dambrot leave, or does Buffalo land Jayvon Graves (SVSM kid). But guess what, Graves (who may legitimately be the best player in Ohio) is going to Buffalo, and Dambrot is gone.

The LeBron relationship (apparel deal) will remain. In a push comes to shove argument between Akron and Duquesne, LeBron will still push kids toward UA (has millions of reasons to do so in his scholarship efforts to inner city kids).

So if Dambrot is going into this new gig thinking he's going to suddenly land guys simply due to a LeBron relationship, he's foolish, especially since LeBron was selling the name "Akron" way more than "Dambrot" to whatever kids were brought in.
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