Since there is so much talk about the issues of getting teams in tournaments and how SOS affects that and how the league should step in and create some guidelines on nonconference schedules.
Here is some data from cbssports and including Wichita State
Overall SOS rank- nonconference SOS rank- record in nonconference games
1. UConn - #57-#72-(4-7)
2. UC- #63- #31-(11-2)
3. Tulsa- #73- #58-(6-6)
4. SMU- #77- #139-(10-2)
5. Houston-#80-#102-(9-3)
6. Temple-#85-#83-(9-4)
7. UCF-#101-#249-(9-3)
8. Tulane-#125-#297-(3-9)
9. Memphis -#129-#231(10-3)
10. Wichita State-#140-#163-(9-3)
11. ECU -#150-#315(8-5)
12. USF-#168- #309(6-5)

#297 despite playing UNC, Arizona St, GT, Mizzou, and a few other decent teams. Wow.

Tulsa fans knew we had a good schedule going into the season but it turned out to be much tougher than anyone realized. TU should be significantly better next season so I hope we have a comparable schedule.

(03-26-2017 12:01 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  #297 despite playing UNC, Arizona St, GT, Mizzou, and a few other decent teams. Wow.

Playing some top teams doesn't make up for playing some truly awful teams. Unfortunately you don't always know how good any particular team will be going into the season. TU fans were up in arms about losing the opener to Jacksonville State but they went on to win their conference and play in the tourney. We still shouldn't have lost to them but it wasn't the disaster people thought it was at the time.

We probably need to do what the SEC did and pass some minimum standards for OOC scheduling. Its really paid dividends for the SEC. No reason it wouldn't result in improvement in the AAC.

Arizona State and Mizzou were not decent teams this year. They were horrible.

Wichita thought we had a strong schedule, then Oklahoma took a nose dive, Long Beach State had their worst season in forever, South Dakota State was unexpectedly bad. Saint Louis was also stronger when we signed the contract with them and Tulsa wasn't as strong as they'd been previously.

It happens.

SOS wouldn't be as big of an issue if we won games in ooc. When the bottom losses to multiple sub 200 the conference is toast.

(03-26-2017 11:10 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Since there is so much talk about the issues of getting teams in tournaments and how SOS affects that and how the league should step in and create some guidelines on nonconference schedules.
Here is some data from cbssports and including Wichita State
Overall SOS rank- nonconference SOS rank- record in nonconference games
1. UConn - #57-#72-(4-7)
2. UC- #63- #31-(11-2)
3. Tulsa- #73- #58-(6-6)
4. SMU- #77- #139-(10-2)
5. Houston-#80-#102-(9-3)
6. Temple-#85-#83-(9-4)
7. UCF-#101-#249-(9-3)
8. Tulane-#125-#297-(3-9)
9. Memphis -#129-#231(10-3)
10. Wichita State-#140-#163-(9-3)
11. ECU -#150-#315(8-5)
12. USF-#168- #309(6-5)

The number that looms large in this analysis in the Nonconference SOS rank.

That's the only statistic the coaches have control over.

It's inexcusable to be over 200. How does an AAC coach get OVER 300!? How many teams are there in CBB? A mandate goes without saying. I'm confident Brian Gregory is acquainted with big boy scheduling, but Jeff Lebo is going on Year 8 of this practice.

Non-conference SOS rank
ECU -#315
USF-#309

(03-27-2017 09:21 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 11:10 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Since there is so much talk about the issues of getting teams in tournaments and how SOS affects that and how the league should step in and create some guidelines on nonconference schedules.
Here is some data from cbssports and including Wichita State
Overall SOS rank- nonconference SOS rank- record in nonconference games
1. UConn - #57-#72-(4-7)
2. UC- #63- #31-(11-2)
3. Tulsa- #73- #58-(6-6)
4. SMU- #77- #139-(10-2)
5. Houston-#80-#102-(9-3)
6. Temple-#85-#83-(9-4)
7. UCF-#101-#249-(9-3)
8. Tulane-#125-#297-(3-9)
9. Memphis -#129-#231(10-3)
10. Wichita State-#140-#163-(9-3)
11. ECU -#150-#315(8-5)
12. USF-#168- #309(6-5)

The number that looms large in this analysis in the Nonconference SOS rank.

That's the only statistic the coaches have control over.

It's inexcusable to be over 200. How does an AAC coach get OVER 300!? How many teams are there in CBB? A mandate goes without saying. I'm confident Brian Gregory is acquainted with big boy scheduling, but Jeff Lebo is going on Year 8 of this practice.

Non-conference SOS rank
ECU -#315
USF-#309

Nothing disgusts you more in life than Jeff Lebo and ECU basketball BEH hahahaha...I'm that way about college football teams that play in NFL stadiums so I won't judge. Plus Lebo sucks!!!

(03-27-2017 09:48 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-27-2017 09:21 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 11:10 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Since there is so much talk about the issues of getting teams in tournaments and how SOS affects that and how the league should step in and create some guidelines on nonconference schedules.
Here is some data from cbssports and including Wichita State
Overall SOS rank- nonconference SOS rank- record in nonconference games
1. UConn - #57-#72-(4-7)
2. UC- #63- #31-(11-2)
3. Tulsa- #73- #58-(6-6)
4. SMU- #77- #139-(10-2)
5. Houston-#80-#102-(9-3)
6. Temple-#85-#83-(9-4)
7. UCF-#101-#249-(9-3)
8. Tulane-#125-#297-(3-9)
9. Memphis -#129-#231(10-3)
10. Wichita State-#140-#163-(9-3)
11. ECU -#150-#315(8-5)
12. USF-#168- #309(6-5)

The number that looms large in this analysis in the Nonconference SOS rank.

That's the only statistic the coaches have control over.

It's inexcusable to be over 200. How does an AAC coach get OVER 300!? How many teams are there in CBB? A mandate goes without saying. I'm confident Brian Gregory is acquainted with big boy scheduling, but Jeff Lebo is going on Year 8 of this practice.

Non-conference SOS rank
ECU -#315
USF-#309

Nothing disgusts you more in life than Jeff Lebo and ECU basketball BEH hahahaha...I'm that way about college football teams that play in NFL stadiums so I won't judge. Plus Lebo sucks!!!

lol.

315!! Can it get worse? If Lebo has done nothing else he's given the program the solid foundation of bedrock bottom. I'm waiting for the ECU Lakers to someday rise up from the depths.

(03-26-2017 11:10 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Since there is so much talk about the issues of getting teams in tournaments and how SOS affects that and how the league should step in and create some guidelines on nonconference schedules.
Here is some data from cbssports and including Wichita State
Overall SOS rank- nonconference SOS rank- record in nonconference games
1. UConn - #57-#72-(4-7)
2. UC- #63- #31-(11-2)
3. Tulsa- #73- #58-(6-6)
4. SMU- #77- #139-(10-2)
5. Houston-#80-#102-(9-3)
6. Temple-#85-#83-(9-4)
7. UCF-#101-#249-(9-3)
8. Tulane-#125-#297-(3-9)
9. Memphis -#129-#231(10-3)
10. Wichita State-#140-#163-(9-3)
11. ECU -#150-#315(8-5)
12. USF-#168- #309(6-5)

Including WSU in this is kind of stupid.

(03-26-2017 12:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  We probably need to do what the SEC did and pass some minimum standards for OOC scheduling. Its really paid dividends for the SEC. No reason it wouldn't result in improvement in the AAC.

Agree 100%. That and tweak the conference scheduling. Currently we play an 18 game season. We faced 2 teams only one time. That said....

The top 9 teams shouldn't have to play the bottom 2 two times, ever. Adjust schedules accordingly based on the previous seasons RPI finishes.

(03-27-2017 09:21 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 11:10 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Since there is so much talk about the issues of getting teams in tournaments and how SOS affects that and how the league should step in and create some guidelines on nonconference schedules.
Here is some data from cbssports and including Wichita State
Overall SOS rank- nonconference SOS rank- record in nonconference games
1. UConn - #57-#72-(4-7)
2. UC- #63- #31-(11-2)
3. Tulsa- #73- #58-(6-6)
4. SMU- #77- #139-(10-2)
5. Houston-#80-#102-(9-3)
6. Temple-#85-#83-(9-4)
7. UCF-#101-#249-(9-3)
8. Tulane-#125-#297-(3-9)
9. Memphis -#129-#231(10-3)
10. Wichita State-#140-#163-(9-3)
11. ECU -#150-#315(8-5)
12. USF-#168- #309(6-5)

The number that looms large in this analysis in the Nonconference SOS rank.

That's the only statistic the coaches have control over.

It's inexcusable to be over 200. How does an AAC coach get OVER 300!? How many teams are there in CBB? A mandate goes without saying. I'm confident Brian Gregory is acquainted with big boy scheduling, but Jeff Lebo is going on Year 8 of this practice.

Non-conference SOS rank
ECU -#315
USF-#309

ECU should be threatened with football only membership.

We need a scheduling mandate. If a school doesn't meet the guidelines, they lose their share of the tournament credits for the year.

Our OOC SoS will be bad again next year too.

I'd like to hear an interview with Lebo and scheduling philosophy. The coaches have the most to do with it and he could be playing at some ACC schools as 1 and dones or maybe 2 for 1's even. The buzz the UNC game on tv a few years ago was exciting for the program. Also, ECU didn't get embarrassed in that game. No more scheduling of 300 plus RPI games and a couple Duke/UNC/ACC whoever road games a year to boost SOS and fan interest. No more bonus for wins. Bonus for conference wins and conference titles only.

Speaking of strength of schedule... without doing research, I can remember a few STOUT opponents ECU has taken on in recent years.



UVA-Wise


Coker College


Lee University (We lost this one to an NAIA team)


Fayetteville State University


Belmont Abbey College

Tulane played UNC, Oklahoma, Arizona State, St. John's, Georgia Tech, Missouri. Some of them turned out to be a lot worse than expected, but out of 13 games, that's not the schedule of a coach (Dunleavy) who is afraid of hard games.

(03-27-2017 02:47 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Tulane played UNC, Oklahoma, Arizona State, St. John's, Georgia Tech, Missouri. Some of them turned out to be a lot worse than expected, but out of 13 games, that's not the schedule of a coach (Dunleavy) who is afraid of hard games.

I agree...

The fact that Dunleavy snagged that UNC game, while TarHeel Lebo was scheduling 5 HBCU's and an OOC SOS of 300+ is mildly amusing.

ECU needs to be forced to stop playing girls jr high schools...Lebo is killing us. Just because your inept administration doesnt give a rats about hoops doesnt mean the rest of us should pay. If they dont lik it and/or wont comply I'd kick their arse out; their fb isnt good enough to off set this BS basketball scheduling.