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I think if it had been Tubby's idea to bring in Nick, those who rag on him would've been all over him for bringing in stiffs because Nick hasn't shown that he can play DI basketball all that well. But since Nick was, possibly, told thanks, but no thanks by our staff, all of a sudden he would've been better than anybody else we could get in the late period.

But that's how it works. When Pastner's act finally wore thin on me, nothing he could do was right. And that's how it is now with Tubby to some people -- and that coming one year in rather than the five or six the last coach got.

And I know about numbers on recruiting classes, but to tell you the truth, I've seen what an inexperienced coach can do with a bunch of 4 and 5 star players, and I don't mind waiting to see what an experienced one can do with whatever kind of players he thinks will win. If we slide, I doubt it will even approach going from E8, E8, runner up, S16 to seven years with two wins. Not unless we go 6-20 or whatever Moe Iba sank to, like one of our fans keeps suggesting will happen, and I don't see that happening. I think we're going to climb out of it, but maybe not in the time period that some think it should take.

But hey, it's a message board. If you had to be patient, consistent, and rational to post, most of us would only be allowed to lurk.
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(03-30-2017 12:13 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 12:08 PM)jgardne Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 12:06 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 12:04 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 11:59 AM)jgardne Wrote:  think how f&&&&ing bad our program is that I say something like that and sincerely mean it.

My god.


We're recruiting from the benches of weak conference JUCO teams for the players Tubby likes to coach....I think that pretty much sums it up.

We are all waiting for the ace or two he might pull out of his sleeve--as if that might happen still.

I really wish that I didn't pay for the premium board. As if I needed constant bad news updates on how inept our coaching staff is haha

you mean even the premium board says our coaches are incompetent?

Then we're truly sunk. That place would pump sunshine to no end. It must be pretty bleak

That board has done a complete 180. The premium threads are filled with terrible news and basically no one (there are a few) is siding with Tubby at this point. The transformation has been nothing short of amazing.

Why would anyone feel otherwise? Tubby was a bad hire; he obviously can't recruit and Memphis will not come out in force and watch TTU/Minny type teams that are 18-15 or 19-14. Just not happening.
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(03-30-2017 01:10 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 12:58 PM)450bench Wrote:  Guarantee that Tubby doesn't know nor care what people on this board think or say.

Sounds like a post from the Pastner era lol

I guarantee you he knows most Memphis fans aren't happy or most don't even care. He could tell that by looking up at the games.
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(03-30-2017 02:37 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 09:53 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Nick Marshall
Nick King

Both told NO.

So, therefore, we have to assume that they have 2 better recruits lined up.

Correct?

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07-coffee3 Maybe he just does not like the name Nick.
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(03-31-2017 06:55 AM)TIGERBUDDY Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 02:37 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 09:53 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Nick Marshall
Nick King

Both told NO.

So, therefore, we have to assume that they have 2 better recruits lined up.

Correct?

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07-coffee3 Maybe he just does not like the name Nick.
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I liked Nick King...and wish him well, but, and correct me if I am wrong, didn't he average something like 3 and 3 at Alabama?

Quick edit, he did average about 3 and 3, played in 7 games, so may have been hurt.
He averaged 7 and 5 here his last season...so he regressed..just looking at the stats.

Quite possible he explodes as an older graduate transfer, but...
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(03-30-2017 03:24 PM)dfwtxtiger Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 10:15 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 10:04 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Someone please Tweet this dweeb that it's not about rankings...it's about getting players period.

@mgiannotto Fans honestly need to stop thinking about recruiting rankings w/ Tubby. You'll drive yourself crazy. He just doesn't recruit w/ that in mind

More like he just doesn't recruit at all
Bingo!
Wait a minute. I thought twitter said all recruits could reach out.
Sounds like bulls*** to me.
These guys want to come back and play for Memphis and are being turned down? Meanwhile, still no commits, visits, etc lined up from any of these other players.

What is happening up there?

We heard this story with tommy west ad nauseam. He has his own ratings, don't worry you only get unranked and two star players etc etc. and then our talent level sucked for 5 years and we had a 5'3" guy playing qb
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(03-30-2017 10:24 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I think if it had been Tubby's idea to bring in Nick, those who rag on him would've been all over him for bringing in stiffs because Nick hasn't shown that he can play DI basketball all that well. But since Nick was, possibly, told thanks, but no thanks by our staff, all of a sudden he would've been better than anybody else we could get in the late period.

But that's how it works. When Pastner's act finally wore thin on me, nothing he could do was right. And that's how it is now with Tubby to some people -- and that coming one year in rather than the five or six the last coach got.

And I know about numbers on recruiting classes, but to tell you the truth, I've seen what an inexperienced coach can do with a bunch of 4 and 5 star players, and I don't mind waiting to see what an experienced one can do with whatever kind of players he thinks will win. If we slide, I doubt it will even approach going from E8, E8, runner up, S16 to seven years with two wins. Not unless we go 6-20 or whatever Moe Iba sank to, like one of our fans keeps suggesting will happen, and I don't see that happening. I think we're going to climb out of it, but maybe not in the time period that some think it should take.

But hey, it's a message board. If you had to be patient, consistent, and rational to post, most of us would only be allowed to lurk.

Your take is hilariously wrong. We all saw Nick play decent D-1 basketball for 2 years. Try again
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(03-31-2017 07:46 AM)Mimi Wrote:  I liked Nick King...and wish him well, but, and correct me if I am wrong, didn't he average something like 3 and 3 at Alabama?

Quick edit, he did average about 3 and 3, played in 7 games, so may have been hurt.
He averaged 7 and 5 here his last season...so he regressed..just looking at the stats.

Quite possible he explodes as an older graduate transfer, but...

How many open scholarships do we have? How many guys are we going to bring it who have even been that productive at the freaking JUCO level? It's not just about Nick, it's about the fact that we aren't going to bring in better alternatives. I'll guarantee it to you now if you want to wager on it that we won't bring in 3-5 players (or however many schoolers we end up with) with such proven production potential
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(03-31-2017 08:29 AM)jgardne Wrote:  
(03-31-2017 07:46 AM)Mimi Wrote:  I liked Nick King...and wish him well, but, and correct me if I am wrong, didn't he average something like 3 and 3 at Alabama?

Quick edit, he did average about 3 and 3, played in 7 games, so may have been hurt.
He averaged 7 and 5 here his last season...so he regressed..just looking at the stats.

Quite possible he explodes as an older graduate transfer, but...

How many open scholarships do we have? How many guys are we going to bring it who have even been that productive at the freaking JUCO level? It's not just about Nick, it's about the fact that we aren't going to bring in better alternatives. I'll guarantee it to you now if you want to wager on it that we won't bring in 3-5 players (or however many schoolers we end up with) with such proven production potential

Right.

Like was said on the radio yesterday, he's better than Jimario Rivers.

There's your starting point.

We're nearly a month from the conclusion of the season, nearly a year since Tubby and company have been here, yet no late period commitments yet.

Figure after the season they had and the downswing in PR, they would have had at least one player lined up and ready to pledge to the Tigers as a show of good faith.

Nope. Nothing. Nada.

Radio silence.

Penny was at the Dick's National tournament last night.

Where was Tubby and company?
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(03-30-2017 10:24 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I think if it had been Tubby's idea to bring in Nick, those who rag on him would've been all over him for bringing in stiffs because Nick hasn't shown that he can play DI basketball all that well. But since Nick was, possibly, told thanks, but no thanks by our staff, all of a sudden he would've been better than anybody else we could get in the late period.

But that's how it works. When Pastner's act finally wore thin on me, nothing he could do was right. And that's how it is now with Tubby to some people -- and that coming one year in rather than the five or six the last coach got.

And I know about numbers on recruiting classes, but to tell you the truth, I've seen what an inexperienced coach can do with a bunch of 4 and 5 star players, and I don't mind waiting to see what an experienced one can do with whatever kind of players he thinks will win. If we slide, I doubt it will even approach going from E8, E8, runner up, S16 to seven years with two wins. Not unless we go 6-20 or whatever Moe Iba sank to, like one of our fans keeps suggesting will happen, and I don't see that happening. I think we're going to climb out of it, but maybe not in the time period that some think it should take.

But hey, it's a message board. If you had to be patient, consistent, and rational to post, most of us would only be allowed to lurk.

I'm not sure what world you live in, but losing Nick hurt the Tigers two years ago.

He was progressing nicely as a player and averaged 7 and 5 in less than 20 mpg as a soph--very decent numbers that projected him to be a 10 and 6 as a jr and around 12 and 7 as a senior.

Tyler Roberson, a SF at Syracuse who was two spots above Nick in the rankings averaged 7 and 6 for his career, with his best year (jr year) at 8 and 8. JWIII was about 10 spots ahead of Nick and averaged 9 ppg at Mizzou and just did 10 and 7 at Gonzaga.
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(03-31-2017 08:36 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(03-31-2017 08:29 AM)jgardne Wrote:  
(03-31-2017 07:46 AM)Mimi Wrote:  I liked Nick King...and wish him well, but, and correct me if I am wrong, didn't he average something like 3 and 3 at Alabama?

Quick edit, he did average about 3 and 3, played in 7 games, so may have been hurt.
He averaged 7 and 5 here his last season...so he regressed..just looking at the stats.

Quite possible he explodes as an older graduate transfer, but...

How many open scholarships do we have? How many guys are we going to bring it who have even been that productive at the freaking JUCO level? It's not just about Nick, it's about the fact that we aren't going to bring in better alternatives. I'll guarantee it to you now if you want to wager on it that we won't bring in 3-5 players (or however many schoolers we end up with) with such proven production potential

Right.

Like was said on the radio yesterday, he's better than Jimario Rivers.

There's your starting point.

We're nearly a month from the conclusion of the season, nearly a year since Tubby and company have been here, yet no late period commitments yet.

Figure after the season they had and the downswing in PR, they would have had at least one player lined up and ready to pledge to the Tigers as a show of good faith.

Nope. Nothing. Nada.

Radio silence.

Penny was at the Dick's National tournament last night.

Where was Tubby and company?

Agree.

He would likely be a stronger player than Rivers and a solid contributor, as she was before leaving for Alabama, I simply thought he had elevated his game at Alabama and was possibly a 12 and 8 type of player. He very well could be that at Middle, but simply looking at his stats, I was surprised.
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(03-31-2017 08:42 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 10:24 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I think if it had been Tubby's idea to bring in Nick, those who rag on him would've been all over him for bringing in stiffs because Nick hasn't shown that he can play DI basketball all that well. But since Nick was, possibly, told thanks, but no thanks by our staff, all of a sudden he would've been better than anybody else we could get in the late period.

But that's how it works. When Pastner's act finally wore thin on me, nothing he could do was right. And that's how it is now with Tubby to some people -- and that coming one year in rather than the five or six the last coach got.

And I know about numbers on recruiting classes, but to tell you the truth, I've seen what an inexperienced coach can do with a bunch of 4 and 5 star players, and I don't mind waiting to see what an experienced one can do with whatever kind of players he thinks will win. If we slide, I doubt it will even approach going from E8, E8, runner up, S16 to seven years with two wins. Not unless we go 6-20 or whatever Moe Iba sank to, like one of our fans keeps suggesting will happen, and I don't see that happening. I think we're going to climb out of it, but maybe not in the time period that some think it should take.

But hey, it's a message board. If you had to be patient, consistent, and rational to post, most of us would only be allowed to lurk.

I'm not sure what world you live in, but losing Nick hurt the Tigers two years ago.

He was progressing nicely as a player and averaged 7 and 5 in less than 20 mpg as a soph--very decent numbers that projected him to be a 10 and 6 as a jr and around 12 and 7 as a senior.

Tyler Roberson, a SF at Syracuse who was two spots above Nick in the rankings averaged 7 and 6 for his career, with his best year (jr year) at 8 and 8. JWIII was about 10 spots ahead of Nick and averaged 9 ppg at Mizzou and just did 10 and 7 at Gonzaga.

Apparently, in order to wear the Tiger blue, you either have to be a complete player NBA lottery pick or you're garbage.

So Nick couldn't shoot the 3 or guard small forwards, it doesn't mean he couldn't contribute.

I'm sure Tubby has better players lined up in the late period though.
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(03-31-2017 08:50 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Quick edit, he did average about 3 and 3, played in 7 games, so may have been hurt.

He had a lung infection that was difficult to diagnose.

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Wolo just trashed him on 560

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(03-31-2017 09:10 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Wolo just trashed him on 560

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Gotta love it

And therein is the problem with this staff and it has nothing to do with Nick King per se, but everything else going on with the program.

I don't care if they pass on Nick King, but it needs to be because they have a better option coming in next year.

If Wolo can't go on the radio and say simply - don't worry about Nick King, good luck to the young man, there are better things on the horizon for the late period - then that tells you all you really need to know.

They have to resort to trashing the kid instead.

They have nothing to build up therefore they have to tear down.

It's deplorable and sad.
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(03-30-2017 10:24 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I think if it had been Tubby's idea to bring in Nick, those who rag on him would've been all over him for bringing in stiffs because Nick hasn't shown that he can play DI basketball all that well. But since Nick was, possibly, told thanks, but no thanks by our staff, all of a sudden he would've been better than anybody else we could get in the late period.

But that's how it works. When Pastner's act finally wore thin on me, nothing he could do was right. And that's how it is now with Tubby to some people -- and that coming one year in rather than the five or six the last coach got.

And I know about numbers on recruiting classes, but to tell you the truth, I've seen what an inexperienced coach can do with a bunch of 4 and 5 star players, and I don't mind waiting to see what an experienced one can do with whatever kind of players he thinks will win. If we slide, I doubt it will even approach going from E8, E8, runner up, S16 to seven years with two wins. Not unless we go 6-20 or whatever Moe Iba sank to, like one of our fans keeps suggesting will happen, and I don't see that happening. I think we're going to climb out of it, but maybe not in the time period that some think it should take.

But hey, it's a message board. If you had to be patient, consistent, and rational to post, most of us would only be allowed to lurk.

Nick King was one of those 4 star players recruited by our former inexperienced coach, why would you not want to see what an experienced coach could do with him?

And if you have on one hand a coach who recruits 4 and 5 star players but once they get here they perform like 3 star players, and then on the other hand you have a coach who recruits 1 and 2 star players and "coaches them up" to perform like 3 star players, in the end you still have a bunch of guys performing at the level of 3 star players. What have you gained?
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(03-31-2017 09:52 AM)idroot4russia Wrote:  Nick King was one of those 4 star players recruited by our former inexperienced coach, why would you not want to see what an experienced coach could do with him?

Right.

Anyone who has watched Wichita or VCU, etc. understands what putting a 6-7 220 pound guy in the right system with a competent coach looks like.

The Tigers are not going to overwhelm any quality team with talent next year, therefore they need to overwhelm with depth and DI talent. Run waves of players at people.

It's a mind boggling decision, but we don't know the entire story and they surely have their reasons.
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(03-31-2017 10:00 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(03-31-2017 09:52 AM)idroot4russia Wrote:  Nick King was one of those 4 star players recruited by our former inexperienced coach, why would you not want to see what an experienced coach could do with him?

Right.

Anyone who has watched Wichita or VCU, etc. understands what putting a 6-7 220 pound guy in the right system with a competent coach looks like.

The Tigers are not going to overwhelm any quality team with talent next year, therefore they need to overwhelm with depth and DI talent. Run waves of players at people.

It's a mind boggling decision, but we don't know the entire story and they surely have their reasons.

Yep. Turn up the defense, which in theory should work with a guy like Martin. But you need a full roster to do it, or the team is going to break down at the end of the season like this year.
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(03-31-2017 09:52 AM)idroot4russia Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 10:24 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  I think if it had been Tubby's idea to bring in Nick, those who rag on him would've been all over him for bringing in stiffs because Nick hasn't shown that he can play DI basketball all that well. But since Nick was, possibly, told thanks, but no thanks by our staff, all of a sudden he would've been better than anybody else we could get in the late period.

But that's how it works. When Pastner's act finally wore thin on me, nothing he could do was right. And that's how it is now with Tubby to some people -- and that coming one year in rather than the five or six the last coach got.

And I know about numbers on recruiting classes, but to tell you the truth, I've seen what an inexperienced coach can do with a bunch of 4 and 5 star players, and I don't mind waiting to see what an experienced one can do with whatever kind of players he thinks will win. If we slide, I doubt it will even approach going from E8, E8, runner up, S16 to seven years with two wins. Not unless we go 6-20 or whatever Moe Iba sank to, like one of our fans keeps suggesting will happen, and I don't see that happening. I think we're going to climb out of it, but maybe not in the time period that some think it should take.

But hey, it's a message board. If you had to be patient, consistent, and rational to post, most of us would only be allowed to lurk.

Nick King was one of those 4 star players recruited by our former inexperienced coach, why would you not want to see what an experienced coach could do with him?

And if you have on one hand a coach who recruits 4 and 5 star players but once they get here they perform like 3 star players. And then on the other hand you have a coach who recruits 1 and 2 star players and "coaches them up" to perform like 3 start players, in the end you still have a bunch of guys performing at the level of 3 star players. What have you gained?

All of you need to look at recruiting rankings and get an idea of what to expect from recruits slotted in certain spots.

A average recruit in the 40's (depending on PT availability) would be a 13 and 7 guy by his senior year. He won't play in the NBA but will likely earn a living playing elsewhere.

At Memphis, Nick was on that trajectory.

Those who think a 40th ranked guy is a lottery pick or a one and done, just don't get it.

Look at it this way, if rankings remain relatively consistent from year to year, a guy ranked 45th would be about the 180th best player in CBB in any of his years (by ranking).

Antonio Anderson was ranked 41st. He finished his senior year averaging 10 and 5 while shooting 25% from three.

Kuran was 36th and just finished his 5th year averaging 10 and 7.
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