(03-25-2017 08:11 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 04:56 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 01:22 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  I just wonder what you're going to say once Tubby starts winning? This program is downtrodden and has to be rebuilt. It's going to take a little time. Patience.

I'd be more surprised if Tubby started recruiting at a winning level, than I'd be surprised if he started winning at a tolerable level. But he'll never get to an Elite Eight. He's been a pretty good floor coach, over the years, given mediocre talent. His nickname is ten-loss Tubby and there's a reason for the nickname.

And it means he will never rebuild Memphis.

The knock on Tubby isn't that he can't win with good talent. It's that he won't (as opposed to can't) recruit great talent. He COULD recruit great talent. But he won't. To Tubby, recruiting is "beneath" him.

The only exception was the one great recruiting class he had at Kentucky two or three years in, but that class was made up of guys who kept getting into trouble off the court. They underperformed as a result.

It is no secret that Tubby hates the hassles of recruiting. Most coaches like the challenge of competing for top talent. Tubby sees it as a chore, something to disdain (appealing to young kids' egos) and delegates it.

And once in a while, when he does somehow manage to land a high four star or five star recruit, there's a more than likely chance the kid will have questionable character issues, and will either transfer or get booted-off the team within a couple of years because he'll clash with Tubby (or the law).

Tubby can win big only when he inherits great talent. If Memphis had great talent when he got here, he'd have done a great job his first year, because he's always done great coaching with great talent.

But then he'd have done what he always does, and recruit only mediocre talent going forward, and the program won't ever reach great heights again, under him.

Obviously, Pastner didn't leave Memphis with great talent, so the one chance to see Tubby reach greatness at Memphis never even happened. And it won't happen now.

It's precisely because he'll only recruit to a mediocre level, that he'll never make it past a sweet sixteen at Memphis or anywhere else. He's NEVER made it past the sweet sixteen anywhere, when he's played with only his own players, that have been recruited solely by him/his staff. Never. Not once. Don't take my word for it. Check his track record and you'll see what I'm saying is the truth.

Wow! If Tubby hates recruiting so much, why didn't he hire a top notch recruiter instead of the scrubs he has on staff currently? I don't believe Pooh Williams or Joe Esposito are great or even decent recruiters. I truly believe the guy can flat out coach but you need talent to coach ( i.e. John Calipari). Great informational post!

No offense, but you're kinda making my point. A great recruiter isn't just a great recruiter himself; he hires great assistant recruiters. That's because a great recruiter surrounds himself with other great recruiters. Look at how Calipari recruited (still recruits). He's hustling for players, and his staff has a great reputation. Who was Pastner before he was coach at Memphis? A great recruiter for Cal. Tubby isn't a full of energy type of guy. He relies on others to recruit great players. But then he doesn't hire great recruiters, either. You just pointed out that his staff ain't so hot when it comes to recruiting, right? Since Tubby's not going to put a lot of personal effort into recruiting great players, how is Memphis going to get them?

(03-25-2017 10:15 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 08:11 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 04:56 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 01:22 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  I just wonder what you're going to say once Tubby starts winning? This program is downtrodden and has to be rebuilt. It's going to take a little time. Patience.

I'd be more surprised if Tubby started recruiting at a winning level, than I'd be surprised if he started winning at a tolerable level. But he'll never get to an Elite Eight. He's been a pretty good floor coach, over the years, given mediocre talent. His nickname is ten-loss Tubby and there's a reason for the nickname.

And it means he will never rebuild Memphis.

The knock on Tubby isn't that he can't win with good talent. It's that he won't (as opposed to can't) recruit great talent. He COULD recruit great talent. But he won't. To Tubby, recruiting is "beneath" him.

The only exception was the one great recruiting class he had at Kentucky two or three years in, but that class was made up of guys who kept getting into trouble off the court. They underperformed as a result.

It is no secret that Tubby hates the hassles of recruiting. Most coaches like the challenge of competing for top talent. Tubby sees it as a chore, something to disdain (appealing to young kids' egos) and delegates it.

And once in a while, when he does somehow manage to land a high four star or five star recruit, there's a more than likely chance the kid will have questionable character issues, and will either transfer or get booted-off the team within a couple of years because he'll clash with Tubby (or the law).

Tubby can win big only when he inherits great talent. If Memphis had great talent when he got here, he'd have done a great job his first year, because he's always done great coaching with great talent.

But then he'd have done what he always does, and recruit only mediocre talent going forward, and the program won't ever reach great heights again, under him.

Obviously, Pastner didn't leave Memphis with great talent, so the one chance to see Tubby reach greatness at Memphis never even happened. And it won't happen now.

It's precisely because he'll only recruit to a mediocre level, that he'll never make it past a sweet sixteen at Memphis or anywhere else. He's NEVER made it past the sweet sixteen anywhere, when he's played with only his own players, that have been recruited solely by him/his staff. Never. Not once. Don't take my word for it. Check his track record and you'll see what I'm saying is the truth.

Wow! If Tubby hates recruiting so much, why didn't he hire a top notch recruiter instead of the scrubs he has on staff currently? I don't believe Pooh Williams or Joe Esposito are great or even decent recruiters. I truly believe the guy can flat out coach but you need talent to coach ( i.e. John Calipari). Great informational post!

No offense, but you're kinda making my point. A great recruiter isn't just a great recruiter himself; he hires great assistant recruiters. That's because a great recruiter surrounds himself with other great recruiters. Look at how Calipari recruited (still recruits). He's hustling for players, and his staff has a great reputation. Who was Pastner before he was coach at Memphis? A great recruiter for Cal. Tubby isn't a full of energy type of guy. He relies on others to recruit great players. But then he doesn't hire great recruiters, either. You just pointed out that his staff ain't so hot when it comes to recruiting, right? Since Tubby's not going to put a lot of personal effort into recruiting great players, how is Memphis going to get them?

Great point! If I'm not mistaken, Tubby had a great recruiter on his staff @ Texas Tech. I don't know why he didn't bring him to Memphis. You made a valid point but take Justin Fuente for debating sake...he won a bowl game with 2 and 3* type players because he's a helluva coach. Great coaches can coach up players. I'm excited about Jamal Johnson, Victor Enoch, and Nickleberry. Throw in some talented Juco players along with Keon, Jeremiah, or hopefully Dedric stays! Then watch Tubby work his magic. Tubby's a competitor and a winner!

Tubby's not used to losing. He was devastatingly despondent over having lost the way we did this season. I'm enjoying watching the NCAA tourney right now. Teams are playing hard, battling, playing with a sense of urgency, team ball, defense, great offense, executing plays from the coaches, etc. Granted, these players are elite type of players but they're putting it all out there on the court. They're not lying down when faced with adversity. I miss the mentally tough and talented teams Tiger basketball used to encapsulate for the university and city. Tubby needs to bring Antonio Anderson to help with defensive intensity. We will be back!

(03-25-2017 10:41 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  Tubby's not used to losing. He was devastatingly despondent over having lost the way we did this season. I'm enjoying watching the NCAA tourney right now. Teams are playing hard, battling, playing with a sense of urgency, team ball, defense, great offense, executing plays from the coaches, etc. Granted, these players are elite type of players but they're putting it all out there on the court. They're not lying down when faced with adversity. I miss the mentally tough and talented teams Tiger basketball used to encapsulate for the university and city. Tubby needs to bring Antonio Anderson to help with defensive intensity. We will be back!

That won't help

He needs to recruit that type of player

Tough

(03-25-2017 10:42 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 10:41 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  Tubby's not used to losing. He was devastatingly despondent over having lost the way we did this season. I'm enjoying watching the NCAA tourney right now. Teams are playing hard, battling, playing with a sense of urgency, team ball, defense, great offense, executing plays from the coaches, etc. Granted, these players are elite type of players but they're putting it all out there on the court. They're not lying down when faced with adversity. I miss the mentally tough and talented teams Tiger basketball used to encapsulate for the university and city. Tubby needs to bring Antonio Anderson to help with defensive intensity. We will be back!

That won't help

He needs to recruit that type of player

Tough

Absolutely, he needs to recruit tough, killer mentality type of players.

(03-25-2017 10:42 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 10:41 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  Tubby's not used to losing. He was devastatingly despondent over having lost the way we did this season. I'm enjoying watching the NCAA tourney right now. Teams are playing hard, battling, playing with a sense of urgency, team ball, defense, great offense, executing plays from the coaches, etc. Granted, these players are elite type of players but they're putting it all out there on the court. They're not lying down when faced with adversity. I miss the mentally tough and talented teams Tiger basketball used to encapsulate for the university and city. Tubby needs to bring Antonio Anderson to help with defensive intensity. We will be back!

That won't help

He needs to recruit that type of player

Tough

Is Tubby targeting tough type players now? If not, what type of players is he targeting? Thanks for your insight.

(03-25-2017 10:15 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 08:11 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 04:56 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 01:22 PM)Ttaylor Wrote:  I just wonder what you're going to say once Tubby starts winning? This program is downtrodden and has to be rebuilt. It's going to take a little time. Patience.

I'd be more surprised if Tubby started recruiting at a winning level, than I'd be surprised if he started winning at a tolerable level. But he'll never get to an Elite Eight. He's been a pretty good floor coach, over the years, given mediocre talent. His nickname is ten-loss Tubby and there's a reason for the nickname.

And it means he will never rebuild Memphis.

The knock on Tubby isn't that he can't win with good talent. It's that he won't (as opposed to can't) recruit great talent. He COULD recruit great talent. But he won't. To Tubby, recruiting is "beneath" him.

The only exception was the one great recruiting class he had at Kentucky two or three years in, but that class was made up of guys who kept getting into trouble off the court. They underperformed as a result.

It is no secret that Tubby hates the hassles of recruiting. Most coaches like the challenge of competing for top talent. Tubby sees it as a chore, something to disdain (appealing to young kids' egos) and delegates it.

And once in a while, when he does somehow manage to land a high four star or five star recruit, there's a more than likely chance the kid will have questionable character issues, and will either transfer or get booted-off the team within a couple of years because he'll clash with Tubby (or the law).

Tubby can win big only when he inherits great talent. If Memphis had great talent when he got here, he'd have done a great job his first year, because he's always done great coaching with great talent.

But then he'd have done what he always does, and recruit only mediocre talent going forward, and the program won't ever reach great heights again, under him.

Obviously, Pastner didn't leave Memphis with great talent, so the one chance to see Tubby reach greatness at Memphis never even happened. And it won't happen now.

It's precisely because he'll only recruit to a mediocre level, that he'll never make it past a sweet sixteen at Memphis or anywhere else. He's NEVER made it past the sweet sixteen anywhere, when he's played with only his own players, that have been recruited solely by him/his staff. Never. Not once. Don't take my word for it. Check his track record and you'll see what I'm saying is the truth.

Wow! If Tubby hates recruiting so much, why didn't he hire a top notch recruiter instead of the scrubs he has on staff currently? I don't believe Pooh Williams or Joe Esposito are great or even decent recruiters. I truly believe the guy can flat out coach but you need talent to coach ( i.e. John Calipari). Great informational post!

No offense, but you're kinda making my point. A great recruiter isn't just a great recruiter himself; he hires great assistant recruiters. That's because a great recruiter surrounds himself with other great recruiters. Look at how Calipari recruited (still recruits). He's hustling for players, and his staff has a great reputation. Who was Pastner before he was coach at Memphis? A great recruiter for Cal. Tubby isn't a full of energy type of guy. He relies on others to recruit great players. But then he doesn't hire great recruiters, either. You just pointed out that his staff ain't so hot when it comes to recruiting, right? Since Tubby's not going to put a lot of personal effort into recruiting great players, how is Memphis going to get them?

I hope you are wrong but I have a feeling that you are spot on

(03-25-2017 09:19 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  Memphis got in very late on him.

It really sucks to watch Memphis talent playing well for other teams in the tournament. What coulda been...

We didn't even offer, according to Rivals.

(03-25-2017 09:30 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  Kentucky looks and plays like a team that could possibly win it all if last night's performance was any indication. How in the hell did we not land Memphis own Chiozza? If I remember correctly he was not considered a priority to Pastner at the time. I think the kid had a major interest to play for Memphis too! Yet, one of countless poor decisions made by the beloved JP.

Now with Kansas gone, thanks to a poor shooting night, UK has to be favored to win it all. I personally think they are better than UNC.

(03-26-2017 10:13 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 09:30 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  Kentucky looks and plays like a team that could possibly win it all if last night's performance was any indication. How in the hell did we not land Memphis own Chiozza? If I remember correctly he was not considered a priority to Pastner at the time. I think the kid had a major interest to play for Memphis too! Yet, one of countless poor decisions made by the beloved JP.

Now with Kansas gone, thanks to a poor shooting night, UK has to be favored to win it all. I personally think they are better than UNC.

Unfortunately, Kentucky is looking like the team to beat. UNC is talented but to the level of Kentucky talented. They're insanely quick and difficult to guard. Oregon is looking pretty good too! I bet Cal is thinking we just need to get the final four and the rest is history. Right now Oregon and Gonzaga are already headed to the final four. We can hate all we want but that Kentucky team is phenomenal and fun to watch right here in our hometown.

Yes.

Monk and Fox are arguably the most talented kids left...especially for their age. Fox nearly single handedly beat UCLA with an outrageous effort.

Should be a good game today, NC pretty good too.

NC -2.5

Exposed?

Heard it here first

(03-26-2017 03:43 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  Exposed?

Heard it here first

He is not a star...

Good role player who plays hard and does a good job setting other guys up.

(03-26-2017 03:43 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  Exposed?

Heard it here first

Womp Womp.

Brutal ending for Florida.

They could not make a three in the second half.

And the no travel call and the foul on Chiozza on his strip were just brutal.

(03-26-2017 03:56 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Brutal ending for Florida.

They could not make a three in the second half.

And the no travel call and the foul on Chiozza on his strip were just brutal.

It was clean

If Monk is hot from 3 Kensucky wins, if not they lose.. It's really that simple.. Kentucky ain't gonna beat NC inside!!

(03-26-2017 04:12 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 03:56 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Brutal ending for Florida.

They could not make a three in the second half.

And the no travel call and the foul on Chiozza on his strip were just brutal.

It was clean

That non travel call? How could they miss that??

(03-26-2017 04:16 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 04:12 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 03:56 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Brutal ending for Florida.

They could not make a three in the second half.

And the no travel call and the foul on Chiozza on his strip were just brutal.

It was clean

That non travel call? How could they miss that??

That was bad

It's been bad during the tournament