(03-28-2017 10:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I get the feeling we will be scrambling for players just like last year.

We will know in less than 6 months.

Either he puts a good team on the floor with a lot of future pieces to sell the 2018/19 classes on playing with (like Cuonzo is currently doing at Missouri) or it will all be over.

In other words, Alex Lomax and Malcolm Dandridge aren't staying up late at night with fantasies of playing with Victor Enoh or Karim Azab or Kytrel Williams.

Bet that.

(03-28-2017 10:55 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I get the feeling we will be scrambling for players just like last year.

We will know in less than 6 months.

Either he puts a good team on the floor with a lot of future pieces to sell the 2018/19 classes on playing with (like Cuonzo is currently doing at Missouri) or it will all be over.

In other words, Alex Lomax and Malcolm Dandridge aren't staying up late at night with fantasies of playing with Victor Enoh or Karim Azab or Kytrel Williams.

Bet that.

You know it's ova when he don't get anyone locally for 2018

(03-28-2017 10:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 09:06 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 08:35 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 08:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 08:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The lack of depth is mainly attributed to Tubby's inability to recruit players able and willing to provide sufficient productivity or inability to maximize their talent. Tubby has another opportunity to find better players for the upcoming season and I hope he does it.

No, the lack of depth is attributed to the prior staff and its inability to maintain a roster. Tubby was handed a _hit sandwich, which some of you are confusing with steak. The Lawson situation is obviously a difficult one and the idea of recruiting quality depth in late April and May is ridiculous. Josh left behind a cancerous situation for the new coach to inherit, and there weren't enough graduate transfers to remedy it.

You do realize that we are only about two weeks out from the same time period last year in which Tubby was hired and Memphis is still in dire need of additional experienced depth.

Is he going to miraculously get "good" players this April when many here said it was impossible to get that same kind of player last April?

Can't have it both ways.

@mgiannotto Let's just say I don't think there's anything imminent on the recruiting front at the moment.

I get the feeling we will be scrambling for players just like last year.

I get a weaker feeling than last year.

(03-28-2017 10:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 09:56 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 08:35 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 08:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 08:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The lack of depth is mainly attributed to Tubby's inability to recruit players able and willing to provide sufficient productivity or inability to maximize their talent. Tubby has another opportunity to find better players for the upcoming season and I hope he does it.

No, the lack of depth is attributed to the prior staff and its inability to maintain a roster. Tubby was handed a _hit sandwich, which some of you are confusing with steak. The Lawson situation is obviously a difficult one and the idea of recruiting quality depth in late April and May is ridiculous. Josh left behind a cancerous situation for the new coach to inherit, and there weren't enough graduate transfers to remedy it.

You do realize that we are only about two weeks out from the same time period last year in which Tubby was hired and Memphis is still in dire need of additional experienced depth.

Is he going to miraculously get "good" players this April when many here said it was impossible to get that same kind of player last April?

Can't have it both ways.

2 different animals. Last year, was a transition year for which he deserves a pass.

This year, he's had a full year to evaluate and recruit to Memphis. Plenty of pieces still to fall before next season. No pass this year. Let's judge whether we have an improved product on the court in the Fall.

How is recruiting at the same period in time "two different animals?"

Because the expectation is that they've been recruiting Memphis for a full year now. Last year, during high school tourney, juco tourneys, and the NCAA tourney - Memphis wasn't even on the radar.

You're saying from this day forward is the same time frame. I'm saying they should have been laying groundwork for much longer.

We shall see.

(03-28-2017 10:10 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 09:56 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 08:35 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 08:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 08:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The lack of depth is mainly attributed to Tubby's inability to recruit players able and willing to provide sufficient productivity or inability to maximize their talent. Tubby has another opportunity to find better players for the upcoming season and I hope he does it.

No, the lack of depth is attributed to the prior staff and its inability to maintain a roster. Tubby was handed a _hit sandwich, which some of you are confusing with steak. The Lawson situation is obviously a difficult one and the idea of recruiting quality depth in late April and May is ridiculous. Josh left behind a cancerous situation for the new coach to inherit, and there weren't enough graduate transfers to remedy it.

You do realize that we are only about two weeks out from the same time period last year in which Tubby was hired and Memphis is still in dire need of additional experienced depth.

Is he going to miraculously get "good" players this April when many here said it was impossible to get that same kind of player last April?

Can't have it both ways.

2 different animals. Last year, was a transition year for which he deserves a pass.

This year, he's had a full year to evaluate and recruit to Memphis. Plenty of pieces still to fall before next season. No pass this year. Let's judge whether we have an improved product on the court in the Fall.

Sure, that's why there were coaches signing players who contributed up until last August.

Look, it's all an excuse - they did the bare minimum last year. It's obvious to anyone who doesn't want to bury their head in blue colored sand.

Hopefully we're not making excuses at the end of this summer too.

Who are all these tournament teams who had coaches in their first year there, who signed contributing players last summer?

Beard is your classic example. Only problem is he didn't make any postseason either, and they actually took a step backwards. So were his recruits really first year difference makers? I mean, someone had to score for them - so yeah, they got stats.

(03-28-2017 12:19 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:10 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 09:56 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 08:35 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 08:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  No, the lack of depth is attributed to the prior staff and its inability to maintain a roster. Tubby was handed a _hit sandwich, which some of you are confusing with steak. The Lawson situation is obviously a difficult one and the idea of recruiting quality depth in late April and May is ridiculous. Josh left behind a cancerous situation for the new coach to inherit, and there weren't enough graduate transfers to remedy it.

You do realize that we are only about two weeks out from the same time period last year in which Tubby was hired and Memphis is still in dire need of additional experienced depth.

Is he going to miraculously get "good" players this April when many here said it was impossible to get that same kind of player last April?

Can't have it both ways.

2 different animals. Last year, was a transition year for which he deserves a pass.

This year, he's had a full year to evaluate and recruit to Memphis. Plenty of pieces still to fall before next season. No pass this year. Let's judge whether we have an improved product on the court in the Fall.

Sure, that's why there were coaches signing players who contributed up until last August.

Look, it's all an excuse - they did the bare minimum last year. It's obvious to anyone who doesn't want to bury their head in blue colored sand.

Hopefully we're not making excuses at the end of this summer too.

Who are all these tournament teams who had coaches in their first year there, who signed contributing players last summer?

Beard is your classic example. Only problem is he didn't make any postseason either, and they actually took a step backwards. So were his recruits really first year difference makers? I mean, someone had to score for them - so yeah, they got stats.

Forget last year. Dedric is 99% gone. KJ, MC, maybe one other up in the air. Who the hell is going to score, rebound and defend this year? The leftovers and recruits that we fought low majors to sign?

(03-28-2017 12:19 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:10 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 09:56 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 08:35 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 08:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  No, the lack of depth is attributed to the prior staff and its inability to maintain a roster. Tubby was handed a _hit sandwich, which some of you are confusing with steak. The Lawson situation is obviously a difficult one and the idea of recruiting quality depth in late April and May is ridiculous. Josh left behind a cancerous situation for the new coach to inherit, and there weren't enough graduate transfers to remedy it.

You do realize that we are only about two weeks out from the same time period last year in which Tubby was hired and Memphis is still in dire need of additional experienced depth.

Is he going to miraculously get "good" players this April when many here said it was impossible to get that same kind of player last April?

Can't have it both ways.

2 different animals. Last year, was a transition year for which he deserves a pass.

This year, he's had a full year to evaluate and recruit to Memphis. Plenty of pieces still to fall before next season. No pass this year. Let's judge whether we have an improved product on the court in the Fall.

Sure, that's why there were coaches signing players who contributed up until last August.

Look, it's all an excuse - they did the bare minimum last year. It's obvious to anyone who doesn't want to bury their head in blue colored sand.

Hopefully we're not making excuses at the end of this summer too.

Who are all these tournament teams who had coaches in their first year there, who signed contributing players last summer?

Beard is your classic example. Only problem is he didn't make any postseason either, and they actually took a step backwards. So were his recruits really first year difference makers? I mean, someone had to score for them - so yeah, they got stats.

The ol RRR.

Been awhile.

Nicely done.

(03-28-2017 12:19 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:10 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 09:56 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 08:35 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 08:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  No, the lack of depth is attributed to the prior staff and its inability to maintain a roster. Tubby was handed a _hit sandwich, which some of you are confusing with steak. The Lawson situation is obviously a difficult one and the idea of recruiting quality depth in late April and May is ridiculous. Josh left behind a cancerous situation for the new coach to inherit, and there weren't enough graduate transfers to remedy it.

You do realize that we are only about two weeks out from the same time period last year in which Tubby was hired and Memphis is still in dire need of additional experienced depth.

Is he going to miraculously get "good" players this April when many here said it was impossible to get that same kind of player last April?

Can't have it both ways.

2 different animals. Last year, was a transition year for which he deserves a pass.

This year, he's had a full year to evaluate and recruit to Memphis. Plenty of pieces still to fall before next season. No pass this year. Let's judge whether we have an improved product on the court in the Fall.

Sure, that's why there were coaches signing players who contributed up until last August.

Look, it's all an excuse - they did the bare minimum last year. It's obvious to anyone who doesn't want to bury their head in blue colored sand.

Hopefully we're not making excuses at the end of this summer too.

Who are all these tournament teams who had coaches in their first year there, who signed contributing players last summer?

Beard is your classic example. Only problem is he didn't make any postseason either, and they actually took a step backwards. So were his recruits really first year difference makers? I mean, someone had to score for them - so yeah, they got stats.

At least he TRIED. Same for Josh.

And again, Memphis is in the AAC, not the Big 12 or ACC. He had the preseason POY and the eventual AAC ROY along with two other highly recruited players.

The main argument ALL season long was "we just aren't deep enough." It wasn't "we just aren't talented enough."

You can fix depth a lot easier than fixing talent.

We had enough talent and depth not to fall the flattest we've ever fallen at the end. It's gotta be more than talent and depth.

(03-28-2017 10:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 09:06 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 08:35 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 08:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  No, the lack of depth is attributed to the prior staff and its inability to maintain a roster. Tubby was handed a _hit sandwich, which some of you are confusing with steak. The Lawson situation is obviously a difficult one and the idea of recruiting quality depth in late April and May is ridiculous. Josh left behind a cancerous situation for the new coach to inherit, and there weren't enough graduate transfers to remedy it.

You do realize that we are only about two weeks out from the same time period last year in which Tubby was hired and Memphis is still in dire need of additional experienced depth.

Is he going to miraculously get "good" players this April when many here said it was impossible to get that same kind of player last April?

Can't have it both ways.

@mgiannotto Let's just say I don't think there's anything imminent on the recruiting front at the moment.

I get the feeling we will be scrambling for players just like last year.

Reminiscent of the opening scene in the movie "Summer School."

that's a hell of a reference.

(03-28-2017 12:41 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 09:06 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 08:35 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  You do realize that we are only about two weeks out from the same time period last year in which Tubby was hired and Memphis is still in dire need of additional experienced depth.

Is he going to miraculously get "good" players this April when many here said it was impossible to get that same kind of player last April?

Can't have it both ways.

@mgiannotto Let's just say I don't think there's anything imminent on the recruiting front at the moment.

I get the feeling we will be scrambling for players just like last year.

Reminiscent of the opening scene in the movie "Summer School."

that's a hell of a reference.

Appreciate the acknowledgement.

(03-28-2017 12:42 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 12:41 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 10:48 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 09:06 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  @mgiannotto Let's just say I don't think there's anything imminent on the recruiting front at the moment.

I get the feeling we will be scrambling for players just like last year.

Reminiscent of the opening scene in the movie "Summer School."

that's a hell of a reference.

Appreciate the acknowledgement.

Legends respect Legends

(03-28-2017 12:38 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  We had enough talent and depth not to fall the flattest we've ever fallen at the end. It's gotta be more than talent and depth.

It was the pre-game meals.

(03-28-2017 03:08 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 12:38 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  We had enough talent and depth not to fall the flattest we've ever fallen at the end. It's gotta be more than talent and depth.

It was the pre-game meals.

I thought Pastner fixed that a couple years ago during his soul searching. Along with getting to the arena 30 minutes earlier than the year before.