(03-23-2017 04:42 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 03:47 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 09:50 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Big government cant do any wrong in your eyes.

The "free" market can do no wrong in your eyes.

The difference is that the free market can be held accountable for their errors. The almighty federal government claims sovereign immunity so they can't.

And as has been proven in this thread this incident isn't an isolated occurrence yet the federal government continues to set these literal death traps where innocent citizens can be effected by them.

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(03-22-2017 10:26 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Someone needs to be held accountable.

I'm sure they'll review it and update the training for people who install the coyote management tools.

There ya go.

(03-22-2017 10:28 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  “Wildlife Services has removed M-44s in that immediate area … and is completing a thorough review of the circumstances of this incident … to determine whether improvements can be made to reduce the likelihood of similar occurrences happening in the future.”

See. The accident has prompted corrective action. Done.

So why has it taken over 25 years and well over 20 people that we know of being effected by these devices for them to take action? I'd really love to know the true number of people that have been effected by these things because the article that lists 18 people and "several" citizens is close to five years old. If they were as negligent in placing these devices as they were in this case I would imagine that number is much. much higher than 20.

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(03-22-2017 10:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  That's all we need to know to say it was gross incompetence.

Next year you'll be posting a thread about how the federal government is at fault for allowing an Idaho town to be overrun by coyotes.

I highly doubt it because the people of Idaho aren't as helpless as you city trash from the People's Republic of Minnesota. They know how to take care of things themselves.

https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/envir...yote-derby

Quote:The only incompetence in this thread lies solely with the mental disease of blaming all the world's problems on the federal government.

The only mental disease in this thread is the absolute dependence on the feds by a statist like you. The federal government could cease to exist tomorrow and I would thrive. You'd likely die curled up in the fetal position.

I'm to all......but the last one was a home-fk'n-run!

(03-23-2017 03:47 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 10:28 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  “Wildlife Services has removed M-44s in that immediate area … and is completing a thorough review of the circumstances of this incident … to determine whether improvements can be made to reduce the likelihood of similar occurrences happening in the future.”

See. The accident has prompted corrective action. Done.

Right because if a private company had done this I'm sure you'd take a "oh we will update our procedures" as an appropriate sanction.

(03-22-2017 08:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If a civilian had done this they would be in prison for attempted murder.

We'll see how many people even lose their job(s) over this, my guess would be none.

But, hey! They apologized and promised a "review".

We'll see if the ASPCA will protest over this or is this out of bounds because it was done by the Oblunder gov'mint?

(03-23-2017 04:42 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 03:47 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 09:50 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Big government cant do any wrong in your eyes.

The "free" market can do no wrong in your eyes.

The difference is that the free market can be held accountable for their errors. The almighty federal government claims sovereign immunity so they can't.

And as has been proven in this thread this incident isn't an isolated occurrence yet the federal government continues to set these literal death traps where innocent citizens can be effected by them.

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(03-22-2017 10:26 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Someone needs to be held accountable.

I'm sure they'll review it and update the training for people who install the coyote management tools.

There ya go.

(03-22-2017 10:28 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  “Wildlife Services has removed M-44s in that immediate area … and is completing a thorough review of the circumstances of this incident … to determine whether improvements can be made to reduce the likelihood of similar occurrences happening in the future.”

See. The accident has prompted corrective action. Done.

So why has it taken over 25 years and well over 20 people that we know of being effected by these devices for them to take action? I'd really love to know the true number of people that have been effected by these things because the article that lists 18 people and "several" citizens is close to five years old. If they were as negligent in placing these devices as they were in this case I would imagine that number is much. much higher than 20.

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(03-22-2017 10:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  That's all we need to know to say it was gross incompetence.

Next year you'll be posting a thread about how the federal government is at fault for allowing an Idaho town to be overrun by coyotes.

I highly doubt it because the people of Idaho aren't as helpless as you city trash from the People's Republic of Minnesota. They know how to take care of things themselves.

https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/envir...yote-derby

Quote:The only incompetence in this thread lies solely with the mental disease of blaming all the world's problems on the federal government.

The only mental disease in this thread is the absolute dependence on the feds by a statist like you. The federal government could cease to exist tomorrow and I would thrive. You'd likely die curled up in the fetal position.

I bet they could kill a lot of coyotes if the dropped a nuke on Pocatello. I wonder if Bison would support that. too? How much collateral damage is acceptable in order to take out a few coyotes?

Remember when Sarah Palin was a monster for shooting wolves from a helicopter... You're telling me that is in any way not better than this?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/21/usd...-says.html

Quote:Critics, including Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., say the government’s taxpayer-funded Predator Control program and its killing methods are random -- and at times, illegal.

"The recent death of dogs in Idaho and Wyoming are the latest unnecessary tragedies of USDA’s Wildlife Services use of M-44 cyanide traps,” DeFazio told Fox News. “These deadly traps have killed scores of domestic animals, and sooner or later, they will kill a human."

"It’s time to stop subsidizing ranchers’ livestock protection efforts with taxpayer dollars and end the unchecked authority of Wildlife Services once and for all," he said.

DeFazio's office said the lawmaker plans to reintroduce a House bill this week that, if passed into law, would ban the use of the devices for predator control.

Quote:The government claims the devices are not capable of killing a child. But Idaho authorities do not agree in the case of Canyon Mansfield, who weighs only 20 pounds more than his 80-pound dog.

"He's very lucky to be alive," Capt. Dan Argyle of the Bannock County Sheriff's Office said of Canyon, whose blood is still being checked for levels of cyanide.

"We're still trying to figure out how he wasn't affected," Argyle told Fox News. "We think a strong wind blew it [the cyanide] downhill when the device went off -- right in the dog's direction."

Argyle said Wildlife Services is required by law to post warning signs around the devices but said, "We did not observe any signs at the location." Upon further inspection, authorities found a second device within yards of the Mansfield home. Both devices were planted in the ground on Feb. 25 without the family's knowledge or consent.

Days earlier, a family walking in an area 52 miles northwest of Casper, Wyo., lost two dogs from an M-44 that detonated near a hiking trail they have walked for 20 years.

(03-23-2017 05:20 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 08:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If a civilian had done this they would be in prison for attempted murder.

We'll see how many people even lose their job(s) over this, my guess would be none.

My guess will be none if they followed the "government regulations" in planting these things.

That being said.. why the hell are we using FRICKIN' CYANIDE GAS???

And Bison, I think Bull is 100% right. if some private rancher or some company had done this, you'd be raising holy hell right now.. but because it's the US govt, it was an unfortunate accident.

Coyotes terrorizing farms? Get the rifle.. plain and simple.

Rifle won't do much of anything to impact population. Believe me, I've whacked and stacked the disease ridden beasts. To impact population, you need a mass trapping program or these types of chemical lethal measures.