(03-23-2017 10:42 AM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 10:33 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:45 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:21 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 06:34 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Wichita is paying Marshall $3.3 million per year. If and when he leaves, the school should be able to hire another top coach.

No doubt Wichita State can afford a top coach, but can they get one? Most $3.3 million coaches are not going to the MVC because they have already reached a level where they have better options. Marshall makes $3.3 million because that is what they have had to do to keep him there. When he arrived at the Shockers he was a low minor (?) coach at Winthrop (Big South conference) and WSU was a nice step up.

At a time when all of the non-P5 conferences are starting to see the writing on the wall that the TV money is crumbling along with ESPN, most schools are asking if conference consolidation would make more sense. WSU is pretty late to the party if they are trying to figure out if travelling 1300 miles to play volleyball makes sense.

If and when Marshall leaves Wichita, I don't think the school has any intention of paying anyone a top ten starting salary which is what they pay now. What the money means is that they can easily offer a new coach substantially more than the vast majority of non-P6 schools, well into 7 figures. And they would have an easier time recruiting that coach to the AAC rather than to the MVC or, for that matter, keeping Marshall.

It's up to Wichita if its interests are better served by consolidating conferences or traveling 1300 miles to play volleyball in a new conference. Its main concern seems to be basketball seeding.

I said P5, and you said P6. I like that you believe that.

Well, there's the Big East. That would make 6. I'm assuming that's not what he meant, but...

Again that plays into the complete assinine use of the term when talking college hoops.

(03-23-2017 11:04 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 10:33 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:45 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:21 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 06:34 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Wichita is paying Marshall $3.3 million per year. If and when he leaves, the school should be able to hire another top coach.

No doubt Wichita State can afford a top coach, but can they get one? Most $3.3 million coaches are not going to the MVC because they have already reached a level where they have better options. Marshall makes $3.3 million because that is what they have had to do to keep him there. When he arrived at the Shockers he was a low minor (?) coach at Winthrop (Big South conference) and WSU was a nice step up.

At a time when all of the non-P5 conferences are starting to see the writing on the wall that the TV money is crumbling along with ESPN, most schools are asking if conference consolidation would make more sense. WSU is pretty late to the party if they are trying to figure out if travelling 1300 miles to play volleyball makes sense.

If and when Marshall leaves Wichita, I don't think the school has any intention of paying anyone a top ten starting salary which is what they pay now. What the money means is that they can easily offer a new coach substantially more than the vast majority of non-P6 schools, well into 7 figures. And they would have an easier time recruiting that coach to the AAC rather than to the MVC or, for that matter, keeping Marshall.

It's up to Wichita if its interests are better served by consolidating conferences or traveling 1300 miles to play volleyball in a new conference. Its main concern seems to be basketball seeding.

I said P5, and you said P6. I like that you believe that.

For basketball I include the Big East, the SEC, the ACC, the BIG, the Pac, and the Big12 as the P6. That's six. Most others do as well, though I dislike the creep of football terminology into basketball.

Stand corrected.

I despise the use of hoops terms like mid major etc and how the BCS Era and the Disney/ABC/ESPN Media Marketing ploy dumbed down the general public and their perception of college athletic conferences.

(03-23-2017 01:17 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 11:04 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 10:33 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:45 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:21 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  No doubt Wichita State can afford a top coach, but can they get one? Most $3.3 million coaches are not going to the MVC because they have already reached a level where they have better options. Marshall makes $3.3 million because that is what they have had to do to keep him there. When he arrived at the Shockers he was a low minor (?) coach at Winthrop (Big South conference) and WSU was a nice step up.

At a time when all of the non-P5 conferences are starting to see the writing on the wall that the TV money is crumbling along with ESPN, most schools are asking if conference consolidation would make more sense. WSU is pretty late to the party if they are trying to figure out if travelling 1300 miles to play volleyball makes sense.

If and when Marshall leaves Wichita, I don't think the school has any intention of paying anyone a top ten starting salary which is what they pay now. What the money means is that they can easily offer a new coach substantially more than the vast majority of non-P6 schools, well into 7 figures. And they would have an easier time recruiting that coach to the AAC rather than to the MVC or, for that matter, keeping Marshall.

It's up to Wichita if its interests are better served by consolidating conferences or traveling 1300 miles to play volleyball in a new conference. Its main concern seems to be basketball seeding.

I said P5, and you said P6. I like that you believe that.

For basketball I include the Big East, the SEC, the ACC, the BIG, the Pac, and the Big12 as the P6. That's six. Most others do as well, though I dislike the creep of football terminology into basketball.

I just call them "High Major" or just "The Power Conferences." Most of the time people understand what I am saying eventually. I agree that football terminology shouldn't be used when describing basketball.

Everyone that watched/followed college basketball at any point in the past 30 years knows that the 320 something schools in the 30 something conferences were all broken up terms like low major, mid major, major, high major etc...

Then along comes Roy Kramer & Co. and start using the term "mid-major" aka not BCS to segregate college football. ESPN/ABC workers are directed to use the term exclusively and like a well oiled machine it just kept going and to Roy Kramer's delight not only did it continue but it's evolved into "Power 5" after they booted the Big East to the curb

Wichita wont have an affect CUSA.

However, there is a Sports Business Daily article that might have an affect on CUSA. The article is about digital media moving into sports. It talks about twiiter and YouTube beginning to dip their toe into the sports waters by buying rights to some smaller professional leagues like the NBA D1. CUSA isn't mentioned in the actual article, but the article features a small box chart showing recent sports acquisitions by digital media platforms. CUSA is listed in that box. According to that chart, Facebook has obtained streaming rights to some CUSA football games via BeIN (they had some A-10 basketball as well). That was news to me---Have you guys heard anything about that?

■ Twitter: NFL ‘Thursday Night Football;” MLS; NBA; Copa America via Univision and Fox; Wimbledon; MLB and NHL games via MLBAM; PGA Tour; UFC 207; NLL

■ Facebook: NBA D-League: USA Basketball exhibition games; MLS via Univision; World Surf League; CONCACAF Champions League; Liga MX via Univision; IOC; PGA Tour; College Coach’s Corner Series presented by Nissan; MLB World Series pregame shows via Sports Illustrated and Fox; Conference USA football via BeIN Sports; Atlantic 10 basketball; WTA Dubai Duty Free Tennis Championships via BeIN Sports



http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...deals.aspx

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(03-23-2017 08:43 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 10:33 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:45 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:21 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 06:34 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Wichita is paying Marshall $3.3 million per year. If and when he leaves, the school should be able to hire another top coach.

No doubt Wichita State can afford a top coach, but can they get one? Most $3.3 million coaches are not going to the MVC because they have already reached a level where they have better options. Marshall makes $3.3 million because that is what they have had to do to keep him there. When he arrived at the Shockers he was a low minor (?) coach at Winthrop (Big South conference) and WSU was a nice step up.

At a time when all of the non-P5 conferences are starting to see the writing on the wall that the TV money is crumbling along with ESPN, most schools are asking if conference consolidation would make more sense. WSU is pretty late to the party if they are trying to figure out if travelling 1300 miles to play volleyball makes sense.

If and when Marshall leaves Wichita, I don't think the school has any intention of paying anyone a top ten starting salary which is what they pay now. What the money means is that they can easily offer a new coach substantially more than the vast majority of non-P6 schools, well into 7 figures. And they would have an easier time recruiting that coach to the AAC rather than to the MVC or, for that matter, keeping Marshall.

It's up to Wichita if its interests are better served by consolidating conferences or traveling 1300 miles to play volleyball in a new conference. Its main concern seems to be basketball seeding.

I said P5, and you said P6. I like that you believe that.

I like that the poster uses a lame ass football term when talking college hoops.

(03-23-2017 08:48 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 11:04 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 10:33 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:45 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:21 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  No doubt Wichita State can afford a top coach, but can they get one? Most $3.3 million coaches are not going to the MVC because they have already reached a level where they have better options. Marshall makes $3.3 million because that is what they have had to do to keep him there. When he arrived at the Shockers he was a low minor (?) coach at Winthrop (Big South conference) and WSU was a nice step up.

At a time when all of the non-P5 conferences are starting to see the writing on the wall that the TV money is crumbling along with ESPN, most schools are asking if conference consolidation would make more sense. WSU is pretty late to the party if they are trying to figure out if travelling 1300 miles to play volleyball makes sense.

If and when Marshall leaves Wichita, I don't think the school has any intention of paying anyone a top ten starting salary which is what they pay now. What the money means is that they can easily offer a new coach substantially more than the vast majority of non-P6 schools, well into 7 figures. And they would have an easier time recruiting that coach to the AAC rather than to the MVC or, for that matter, keeping Marshall.

It's up to Wichita if its interests are better served by consolidating conferences or traveling 1300 miles to play volleyball in a new conference. Its main concern seems to be basketball seeding.

I said P5, and you said P6. I like that you believe that.

For basketball I include the Big East, the SEC, the ACC, the BIG, the Pac, and the Big12 as the P6. That's six. Most others do as well, though I dislike the creep of football terminology into basketball.

Stand corrected.

I despise the use of hoops terms like mid major etc and how the BCS Era and the Disney/ABC/ESPN Media Marketing ploy dumbed down the general public and their perception of college athletic conferences.

Agree. And hearing these AAC clowns saying P6 is like hearing ULL calling themselves University of Louisiana. They are the only ones doing it, and it sounds kind of silly.

(03-25-2017 11:14 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Wichita wont have an affect CUSA.

However, there is a Sports Business Daily article that might have an affect on CUSA. The article is about digital media moving into sports. It talks about twiiter and YouTube beginning to dip their toe into the sports waters by buying rights to some smaller professional leagues like the NBA D1. CUSA isn't mentioned in the actual article, but the article features a small box chart showing recent sports acquisitions by digital media platforms. CUSA is listed in that box. According to that chart, Facebook has obtained streaming rights to some CUSA football games via BeIN (they had some A-10 basketball as well). That was news to me---Have you guys heard anything about that?

■ Twitter: NFL ‘Thursday Night Football;” MLS; NBA; Copa America via Univision and Fox; Wimbledon; MLB and NHL games via MLBAM; PGA Tour; UFC 207; NLL

■ Facebook: NBA D-League: USA Basketball exhibition games; MLS via Univision; World Surf League; CONCACAF Champions League; Liga MX via Univision; IOC; PGA Tour; College Coach’s Corner Series presented by Nissan; MLB World Series pregame shows via Sports Illustrated and Fox; Conference USA football via BeIN Sports; Atlantic 10 basketball; WTA Dubai Duty Free Tennis Championships via BeIN Sports



http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...deals.aspx

If the link is behind a pay wall, use their twitter link below to get past it. Hit the twitter link below and just scroll down the twitter until you see the post that says "Digital media companies embrace sports with recent rush of rights deals". It will contain a link to the story that jumps the pay way.

https://twitter.com/SBJSBD

Yes, at the beginning of this past FB season BEIN televised the NMSU at UTEP game and had a very low viewership of 13k but a digital audience on FB of over 150k. That was surprising to me.

(03-22-2017 03:45 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Would the AAC extend an invitation to a basketball-only school once Gregg Marshall takes the Indiana job? I guess we will see.

Dayton will be so relieved to know that Arch Miller is not going to IU, after all.

(03-23-2017 05:09 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  Not sure why the Koch Brothers don't take some of their spare millions and underwrite a FB Team at Wichita State to go along with the BB Program they have already funded

That may, indeed, happen. But it seems like WSU has stepped back from the football idea for now.

Quote:With ARESCO at the helm of AAC, won't surprise me to see WSU head in that direction with no visible impact on [C-USA] either way.

Agreed.

Basketball only school in a football conference, where have I seen this before?

(03-31-2017 10:38 AM)wh49er Wrote:  Basketball only school in a football conference, where have I seen this before?

It won't be long until the football schools start complaining about the "basketball only" school having an advantage simply because they don't have to use their school's resources to support a football program like everyone else in the conference.

(03-31-2017 12:45 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 10:38 AM)wh49er Wrote:  Basketball only school in a football conference, where have I seen this before?

It won't be long until the football schools start complaining about the "basketball only" school having an advantage simply because they don't have to use their school's resources to support a football program like everyone else in the conference.

Exactly, WSU is putting itself on an island. I'm surprised we haven't heard anything about them and the Big East.

If CUSA and the AAC ever realigned WSU would be a good fit for the south west part of the redistribution. The MVC is a good conference and if the NCAA was fair in giving access to the tourney, it would be the perfect place for WSU. I'm surprised they are not looking at the MWC as well.

(03-31-2017 05:31 PM)monarx Wrote:  If CUSA and the AAC ever realigned WSU would be a good fit for the south west part of the redistribution. The MVC is a good conference and if the NCAA was fair in giving access to the tourney, it would be the perfect place for WSU. I'm surprised they are not looking at the MWC as well.

I think they did look at the MWC but there wasn't mutual interest

Keitha adams leaving utep for Wsu should have signaled us something was happening.

I think their is an indirect affect on C-USA.

The AAC was the 7th conference per rpi this year and will be strengthened by WSU.

The MVC was the 12th conference per rpi this year and will be weakened with the loss of WSU.

If our conference can produce a few more winning records next season there is always a chance to move up from 23rd. That is horrible. C-USA with the historically good programs we have should be in the top 12 or so leagues each year.

If we can't pass the MVC(w/o WSU) their is no hope.




P.S.--STILL WAITING

There has been zero news of any reforms by the conference concerning basketball.Action needs to be taken---NOW PLEASE.

What if you let the teams that make it to the NCAA tournament keep 75% of the money for themselves like the A10 does. That way you incentivise teams to do better and you dont let the teams that dont care spend the money on football or elsewhere.

50% and you gotta deal!

IMO--something has got to give or we are all gonna go down like the Titanic.

(04-01-2017 04:58 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  What if you let the teams that make it to the NCAA tournament keep 75% of the money for themselves like the A10 does. That way you incentivise teams to do better and you dont let the teams that dont care spend the money on football or elsewhere.

That's a great idea. And maybe CUSA's conference revenue sharing shouldn't be equal, but rather match how a school finishes a year in each sport. For example, if a school finishes 4th in football, they'll get the 4th highest amount of revenue distribution generated by football. SAme for other sports. So it PAYS to be good in the major sports (football, basketball, etc...) because they'll generate the most revenues.

At the very least you shouldn't get post-season money if you don't play in the post-season.

(04-01-2017 11:52 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 04:58 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  What if you let the teams that make it to the NCAA tournament keep 75% of the money for themselves like the A10 does. That way you incentivise teams to do better and you dont let the teams that dont care spend the money on football or elsewhere.

That's a great idea. And maybe CUSA's conference revenue sharing shouldn't be equal, but rather match how a school finishes a year in each sport. For example, if a school finishes 4th in football, they'll get the 4th highest amount of revenue distribution generated by football. SAme for other sports. So it PAYS to be good in the major sports (football, basketball, etc...) because they'll generate the most revenues.

Great ideas! Just look how stable the big 12 is with their unequal revenue sharing! And look at the instability in the Pac, Big10 and SEC with equal distribution.

the successful conferences all have equal rev distribution outside the extra cut you get from the bowl and ncaa tourney games. you want more wins go to the post season