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RE: Doc: Don't criticize Mick Cronin
(03-22-2017 11:08 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  To go along with the theme of this thread, I happened to catch a segment of WLW Sportstalk last night and Lance was telling everyone how they should be happy that Mick has made so many consecutive NCAA appearances. Also said because UC gets about 1/10th of revenue money that the P5 schools get, and that because they play in a Mickey Mouse (his words) basketball conference, this is about as good as it gets.

I'm not sure I understand that rationale of complacency. 01-wingedeagle

He went on to point out that Huggs was 0-5 against higher seeds, and lost 9 times (64%) against teams lower seeded than them. Yet no one dares criticize Huggs, but want to run Mick out of town. THAT was laughable. I recall plenty of people who grew tired of Huggs' struggles in March.

The Cincy mentality. "We could never do better than this so why try. And all you who want more are delusional and stupid."
 
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RE: Doc: Don't criticize Mick Cronin
(03-22-2017 11:18 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 11:08 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  To go along with the theme of this thread, I happened to catch a segment of WLW Sportstalk last night and Lance was telling everyone how they should be happy that Mick has made so many consecutive NCAA appearances. Also said because UC gets about 1/10th of revenue money that the P5 schools get, and that because they play in a Mickey Mouse (his words) basketball conference, this is about as good as it gets.

I'm not sure I understand that rationale of complacency. 01-wingedeagle

He went on to point out that Huggs was 0-5 against higher seeds, and lost 9 times (64%) against teams lower seeded than them. Yet no one dares criticize Huggs, but want to run Mick out of town. THAT was laughable. I recall plenty of people who grew tired of Huggs' struggles in March.

The Cincy mentality. "We could never do better than this so why try. And all you who want more are delusional and stupid."

It is definitely the mentality of many - resignation to a level of performance due to X,Y, Z.

If not for ________ we could be at the top.
 
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RE: Doc: Don't criticize Mick Cronin
(03-22-2017 10:48 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  The last team before Villanova to win the title without fielding a 1A football team was Villanova 30 years ago. There is absolutely no validity to it. I'd argue that building the brand name through football is an advantage

Absolutely. Football and basketball both add to the brand name, and it's the brand name that draws players.

Why did Kevin Durant go to Texas? Why did OJ Mayo go to USC (I'm sure lots of other schools tried to bribe him)? Why did Auburn land a top-20 recruit who lives in Connecticut in 2016? Why did Texas A&M and LSU both get 2 top-30 recruits in 2015? Why does Alabama have 2 top-30 recruits for 2017? It ain't because of their basketball programs - it's because of the brand name, and the brand names of those schools are 95% driven by football.
 
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RE: Doc: Don't criticize Mick Cronin
(03-22-2017 12:00 PM)Eastside_J Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 11:18 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 11:08 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  To go along with the theme of this thread, I happened to catch a segment of WLW Sportstalk last night and Lance was telling everyone how they should be happy that Mick has made so many consecutive NCAA appearances. Also said because UC gets about 1/10th of revenue money that the P5 schools get, and that because they play in a Mickey Mouse (his words) basketball conference, this is about as good as it gets.

I'm not sure I understand that rationale of complacency. 01-wingedeagle

He went on to point out that Huggs was 0-5 against higher seeds, and lost 9 times (64%) against teams lower seeded than them. Yet no one dares criticize Huggs, but want to run Mick out of town. THAT was laughable. I recall plenty of people who grew tired of Huggs' struggles in March.

The Cincy mentality. "We could never do better than this so why try. And all you who want more are delusional and stupid."

It is definitely the mentality of many - resignation to a level of performance due to X,Y, Z.

If not for ________ we could be at the top.

Hey, it's a good coping skill for living in the city which now holds the record for consecutive years without a professional sports championship. Half a century plus since a collegiate one too.
 
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RE: Doc: Don't criticize Mick Cronin
(03-22-2017 12:12 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 10:48 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  The last team before Villanova to win the title without fielding a 1A football team was Villanova 30 years ago. There is absolutely no validity to it. I'd argue that building the brand name through football is an advantage

Absolutely. Football and basketball both add to the brand name, and it's the brand name that draws players.

Why did Kevin Durant go to Texas? Why did OJ Mayo go to USC (I'm sure lots of other schools tried to bribe him)? Why did Auburn land a top-20 recruit who lives in Connecticut in 2016? Why did Texas A&M and LSU both get 2 top-30 recruits in 2015? Why does Alabama have 2 top-30 recruits for 2017? It ain't because of their basketball programs - it's because of the brand name, and the brand names of those schools are 95% driven by football.

OJ Mayo went to USC because they had salary cap room.
 
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RE: Doc: Don't criticize Mick Cronin
Mick: Don't criticize Doc -- it's not his fault that he is a moron.
 
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RE: Doc: Don't criticize Mick Cronin
(03-22-2017 01:16 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 12:12 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 10:48 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  The last team before Villanova to win the title without fielding a 1A football team was Villanova 30 years ago. There is absolutely no validity to it. I'd argue that building the brand name through football is an advantage

Absolutely. Football and basketball both add to the brand name, and it's the brand name that draws players.

Why did Kevin Durant go to Texas? Why did OJ Mayo go to USC (I'm sure lots of other schools tried to bribe him)? Why did Auburn land a top-20 recruit who lives in Connecticut in 2016? Why did Texas A&M and LSU both get 2 top-30 recruits in 2015? Why does Alabama have 2 top-30 recruits for 2017? It ain't because of their basketball programs - it's because of the brand name, and the brand names of those schools are 95% driven by football.

OJ Mayo went to USC because they had salary cap room.
It merely cost USC 21 wins which were vacated. Who is someday with the one and done players more likely to have some years vacated UK or UCLA ?
 
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(03-22-2017 02:50 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 01:16 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 12:12 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 10:48 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  The last team before Villanova to win the title without fielding a 1A football team was Villanova 30 years ago. There is absolutely no validity to it. I'd argue that building the brand name through football is an advantage

Absolutely. Football and basketball both add to the brand name, and it's the brand name that draws players.

Why did Kevin Durant go to Texas? Why did OJ Mayo go to USC (I'm sure lots of other schools tried to bribe him)? Why did Auburn land a top-20 recruit who lives in Connecticut in 2016? Why did Texas A&M and LSU both get 2 top-30 recruits in 2015? Why does Alabama have 2 top-30 recruits for 2017? It ain't because of their basketball programs - it's because of the brand name, and the brand names of those schools are 95% driven by football.

OJ Mayo went to USC because they had salary cap room.
It merely cost USC 21 wins which were vacated. Who is someday with the one and done players more likely to have some years vacated UK or UCLA ?

UK. Calipari has wins vacated at both Memphis and UMass already.
 
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Quote:....resignation to a level of performance due to X,Y, Z
Reality is one way, not two. Whether you resign yourself to it, is irrelevant. You can take whatever attitude you like, the world doesn't care. There is no substitute for skill and talent. Attitude is meaningless.
 
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(03-22-2017 10:18 AM)cpawfan Wrote:  The football anchor theory is an offshoot of the old Mike DeCourcy theory that UC should have invested in the basketball arena instead of redoing Nippert.

I think it is older than that. Koch always had a maybe UC should drop football, do I really have to cover this team, Nippert is falling apart (which was true at one time) mentality. Although Doc arrived in the early 90's, if it isn't OSU it must be an anchor.
 
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RE: Doc: Don't criticize Mick Cronin
Every other day: Man I hate Doc, he always has it out for UC.

Today: Man, I hate Doc. He doesn't understand the issues within our program.


If there's a mentality that I've noticed growing up in Cincinnati, it's that we react to adversity like 5-year old girls.

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One of the great lessons of chat boards is that the word fan is truly derived from the word fanatic.

Only true fanatics do not realize the reality of our situation being on the outside of P5 looking.

Our fanatics think we should be playing football on New Years Day and only a coaching failure is to blame. Our fanatics think we should be playing in the final four and only a coaching failure is to blame.

Guys - the probability that someone could come here and be better than Mick is slim and none.

Realistic goals are to compete to win the AAC, We came close in BBall. Tuberville is what a coaching failure looks like. What a mistake that hire was.
 
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(03-22-2017 03:56 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(03-22-2017 10:18 AM)cpawfan Wrote:  The football anchor theory is an offshoot of the old Mike DeCourcy theory that UC should have invested in the basketball arena instead of redoing Nippert.

I think it is older than that. Koch always had a maybe UC should drop football, do I really have to cover this team, Nippert is falling apart (which was true at one time) mentality. Although Doc arrived in the early 90's, if it isn't OSU it must be an anchor.

Do you remember when they were researching the Cincinnati proposal to host the Summer Olympics in the late 70's or early 80's, where the proposal was to cover over Nippert so that it would have become a domed stadium for Basketball, Gymnastics, etc...and eventually a home for Bearcat Basketball? I know I saw old renderings of a converted Nippert...

I think it goes back at least that far.

EDIT... Sorry, I was incorrect... The proposal was for the 2012 Summer games... Back then, I thought it was a proposal for an earlier games that was getting rehashed, but apparently I was mistaken.
http://www.cincinnativseveryone.com/5-ci...have-been/
 
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(03-22-2017 05:58 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  One of the great lessons of chat boards is that the word fan is truly derived from the word fanatic.

Only true fanatics do not realize the reality of our situation being on the outside of P5 looking.

Our fanatics think we should be playing football on New Years Day and only a coaching failure is to blame. Our fanatics think we should be playing in the final four and only a coaching failure is to blame.

Guys - the probability that someone could come here and be better than Mick is slim and none.

Realistic goals are to compete to win the AAC, We came close in BBall. Tuberville is what a coaching failure looks like. What a mistake that hire was.

I don't follow basketball too closely but were those the goals for basketball pre Big East? In other words, are the goals basically the same now as they always were except during the Big East years?
 
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