(06-28-2017 12:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 12:10 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  I just think you are talking about these newcomers with far more certainty re: future performance than there is in reality. Most D1 recruits at this level averaged 25 points a game in high school. Heck, Cane Broome (UC's new point guard) averaged 23 a game in COLLEGE and I think the majority of UC fans are still in a wait and see approach with him.

you guys are the ones downplaying the impact of our recruits...you guys are touting a far deep bench michigan player (who wasnt a untouted recruit) to come in and replace ucfs best shooter

a deep bench player from a bad arkansas team to come and be borderline elite at smu

despite your "downplaying" 99% of uc fans are thinking top 10 season with Cane Broome as your starting PG despite the fact that his is coming from a worse team than our grad transfer

but the crazy idea that we can somehow get dotsons 17 points a game from a mixture of 8 new new players, and the stepping of of current players..is somehow absurd...

we lost ONE!!! key player...on a very good team, get way more depth than we had in any previous year (from the coaches mouth himself).....somehow will finish similar to his worst team in year 1 with absolutely no talent .....

but like i said the court tells no lies...

I logged into Synergy and it shows that Dotson was the only wing that UH had that classified as a "Very Good" defender. Every one else was poor or below average besides Galen Robinson who is listed as "Good". So defensively you will miss him a lot.

Offensively, his PPP was better than 97% of college players. He was ranked 109th out of 4500 College players.

Compare that to Rob Gray who, himself was excellent offensively but better than 85% of college players. Dotson was a + player, who delivered rebounding, good defense, and when he was on the floor he was extremely efficient.

Dotson was a glue guy if their ever was one. And the stats back it up.

Im not saying Houston won't be good. But they will miss Dotson a ton.

Our eyes back it up.. Dotson was efficient he wasn't remotely a glue.. it is gray and anyone who watched us would know that

Gray missed 1 game last year (vs Tulsa) , we only scored 10 points by halfway through the first half (lucky Tulsa was just as bad and only scored 10 too).. note our fans were freaking out when gray considered going to Europe.

We ran plays for Dotson to get him open..The vast majority of his points came from assists.. I'm not worried about Dotson becuase we have similar sized player with similar shooting percentages as Dotson who can be put in his place on those plays

Gray on the other hand still draws constant doubles which open spaces for our shooters

If you want to believe dotsons 2 blocks all season is irreplaceable you might have a point..i question if any of you actually watched a single game last year

When conference award were being given out:cincy fans: dotson doesn't deserve first team all conference. All he does is shoot 3s

After dotson leaves: dotson was the glue to your team SMH

Cincy, definitely Smu, UCF all lost more than we did.. but our 1 guy is just so irreplaceable, while deep bench guys can come in easy for them..
Lets agree to disagree, you clearly don't know the dynamics of our team.. it'll be settled on the court.. you are nitpicking now

(06-28-2017 01:35 PM)pesik Wrote:  Our eyes back it up.. Dotson was efficient he wasn't remotely a glue.. it is gray and anyone who watched us would know that

Gray missed 1 game last year (vs Tulsa) , we only scored 10 points by halfway through the first half (lucky Tulsa was just as bad and only scored 10 too).. note our fans were freaking out when gray considered going to Europe.

We ran plays for Dotson to get him open..The vast majority of his points came from assists.. I'm not worried about Dotson becuase we have similar sized player with similar shooting percentages as Dotson who can be put in his place on those plays

Gray on the other hand still draws constant doubles which open spaces for our shooters

If you want to believe dotsons 2 blocks all season is irreplaceable you might have a point..i question if any of you actually watched a single game last year

When conference award were being given out:cincy fans: dotson doesn't deserve first team all conference. All he does is shoot 3s

After dotson leaves: dotson was the glue to your team SMH

Cincy, definitely Smu, UCF all lost more than we did.. but our 1 guy is just so irreplaceable, while deep bench guys can come in easy for them..
Lets agree to disagree, you clearly don't know the dynamics of our team.. it'll be settled on the court.. you are nitpicking now

no way will I agree that we lost more than you. UC returns its its top 3 scorers, its top 2 rebounders, its leader in steals, its top 5 leaders in blocked shots, its top 3 3-point shooters, Its top 6 FG% leaders.

What we lost was our best assist guy and clutch time scorer. And then we lost our best on-ball defender.

But we replace the PG with Cane Broome (who people call the fastest player Cronin ever recruited and scored 23PPG at scared Heart) and back up justin Jenifer. We replace Kevin Johnson with Jarron Cumberland, who should have won freshman of the year and did win 6th man of the year. He is miles away better than KJ and he is just a SOPH. He scored more points off the bench than KJ did starting, had rebounds and more assists in less minutes.

Cane Broome's game will translate perfectly with UC's starters who can ALL shoot the 3. He is such an amazing driver. And he did it against UC defender in the red and black game. He rarely misses at the rim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HJmKKE3REY

Funny thing is: Cane Broome is Rob Gray. They are the same player.

Jacob evans is a future pro, Jarron Cumberland is a scoring machine, Kyle Washington is unstoppable post scoring with the ability to shoot the 3 and Gary Clark is an elite defender, offensive rebounder and passer. Houston's roster looks like nothing UC's. its not eve close by any measure.


Like Evans will get more draft looks than Gray will. He is far more well rounded player.

Houston Lost its 2nd leading scorer, 2 out of 3 of its top rebounders, and its best volume 3 point shooter and its top 2 shot blockers.

Were not in the same boat at all. Maybe SMU. But not UC

so long stroy short: you are losing more players than houston, you just have confidence the guys replacing them are just as good or better....

just like houston fans...

"Cane Broome is Rob Gray. They are the same player" except gray won everywhere he plays and isnt just pilling points on a bad team..

"Like Evans will get more draft looks than Gray will. He is far more well rounded player. " probably more because evans is 6'6 and gray is 6'2 (short for a nba sg)

and your stats about houston are manipulating
" 2 out of 3 of its top rebounders"...chicken doing 3 rebounds a game as our main "center" is something you donnt worry about losing..rob gray (a 6'2 combo guard) had the same rebounding numbers

"best volume 3 point shooter"
vanbeck is by far the best 3 point shooter in the league by a margin...(this chart has a min shoot requirement)
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...eldGoalPct

"its top 2 shot blockers"
our best shot blocker got only played 10 minutes a game and mostly only played in blowout games..

you are completely manipulating everything..trying to over hype players of little consequence.. we lost 1 player of any consequence

and i can hype our new players to.. we added 8

1) 1st team all-national juco pg, on a 30-2 team...he shot 46% from 3 (would be second best in the AAC after vanbeck)
2) a grad transfer that almost averaged a double double (from a better team than broome) (rebounding numbers would be second only to tacko in the AAC)
3) 4star PF by espn
4) a 6'6 juco SF all-american honoree (did 18pts a game, 40% from 3)
5) the recipient of Texas's Mr Basketball (dominated in high school)/PF
6) a 4star center from 2 years ago (had grad issues)..#3 in all juco in blocks per game, but only played 17 mins a game (#1 if you incorporate mins)
7) a texas top 25 combo guard (ranked the same as your texas commit)
8) a juco 100 PF

you dont see it, you are trying to find ways to justify that we wont be good...not sure why..but like i said, you can discredit bama football as not good all you want, it wont stop them from running you over when you play them (not saying we are bama football in basketball, but discrediting wont matte when we get on the court)

(06-28-2017 03:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  so long stroy short: you are losing more players than houston, you just have confidence the guys replacing them are just as good or better....

just like houston fans...

"Cane Broome is Rob Gray. They are the same player" except gray won everywhere he plays and isnt just pilling points on a bad team..

"Like Evans will get more draft looks than Gray will. He is far more well rounded player. " probably more because evans is 6'6 and gray is 6'2 (short for a nba sg)

and your stats about houston are manipulating
" 2 out of 3 of its top rebounders"...chicken doing 3 rebounds a game as our main "center" is something you donnt worry about losing..rob gray (a 6'2 combo guard) had the same rebounding numbers

"best volume 3 point shooter"
vanbeck is by far the best 3 point shooter in the league by a margin...(this chart has a min shoot requirement)
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...eldGoalPct

"its top 2 shot blockers"
our best shot blocker got only played 10 minutes a game and mostly only played in blowout games..

you are completely manipulating everything..trying to over hype players of little consequence.. we lost 1 player of any consequence

and i can hype our new players to.. we added 8

1) 1st team all-national juco pg, on a 30-2 team...he shot 46% from 3 (would be second best in the AAC after vanbeck)
2) a grad transfer that almost averaged a double double (from a better team than broome) (rebounding numbers would be second only to tacko in the AAC)
3) 4star PF by espn
4) a 6'6 juco SF all-american honoree (did 18pts a game, 40% from 3)
5) the recipient of Texas's Mr Basketball (dominated in high school)/PF
6) a 4star center from 2 years ago (had grad issues)..#3 in all juco in blocks per game, but only played 17 mins a game (#1 if you incorporate mins)
7) a texas top 25 combo guard (ranked the same as your texas commit)
8) a juco 100 PF

you dont see it, you are trying to find ways to justify that we wont be good...not sure why..but like i said, you can discredit bama football as not good all you want, it wont stop them from running you over when you play them (not saying we are bama football in basketball, but discrediting wont matte when we get on the court)

Are you trying to say Houston is better than Cincy?? Yeah not buying that at all. Not even close in my eyes. Wichita, Cincy and SMU will be the top 3 in some order. the 4-7 will likely be Temple, Houston, UConn and UCF in some order. Followed closely by Tulsa then Memphis and then the bottom 3 although I feel like Tulane is going to be much improved. I also like what USF was able to do although it will likely take some time for them to gel. then ECU in last place.

(06-28-2017 03:32 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 03:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  so long stroy short: you are losing more players than houston, you just have confidence the guys replacing them are just as good or better....

just like houston fans...

"Cane Broome is Rob Gray. They are the same player" except gray won everywhere he plays and isnt just pilling points on a bad team..

"Like Evans will get more draft looks than Gray will. He is far more well rounded player. " probably more because evans is 6'6 and gray is 6'2 (short for a nba sg)

and your stats about houston are manipulating
" 2 out of 3 of its top rebounders"...chicken doing 3 rebounds a game as our main "center" is something you donnt worry about losing..rob gray (a 6'2 combo guard) had the same rebounding numbers

"best volume 3 point shooter"
vanbeck is by far the best 3 point shooter in the league by a margin...(this chart has a min shoot requirement)
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...eldGoalPct

"its top 2 shot blockers"
our best shot blocker got only played 10 minutes a game and mostly only played in blowout games..

you are completely manipulating everything..trying to over hype players of little consequence.. we lost 1 player of any consequence

and i can hype our new players to.. we added 8

1) 1st team all-national juco pg, on a 30-2 team...he shot 46% from 3 (would be second best in the AAC after vanbeck)
2) a grad transfer that almost averaged a double double (from a better team than broome) (rebounding numbers would be second only to tacko in the AAC)
3) 4star PF by espn
4) a 6'6 juco SF all-american honoree (did 18pts a game, 40% from 3)
5) the recipient of Texas's Mr Basketball (dominated in high school)/PF
6) a 4star center from 2 years ago (had grad issues)..#3 in all juco in blocks per game, but only played 17 mins a game (#1 if you incorporate mins)
7) a texas top 25 combo guard (ranked the same as your texas commit)
8) a juco 100 PF

you dont see it, you are trying to find ways to justify that we wont be good...not sure why..but like i said, you can discredit bama football as not good all you want, it wont stop them from running you over when you play them (not saying we are bama football in basketball, but discrediting wont matte when we get on the court)

Are you trying to say Houston is better than Cincy?? Yeah not buying that at all. Not even close in my eyes. Wichita, Cincy and SMU will be the top 3 in some order. the 4-7 will likely be Temple, Houston, UConn and UCF in some order. Followed closely by Tulsa then Memphis and then the bottom 3 although I feel like Tulane is going to be much improved. I also like what USF was able to do although it will likely take some time for them to gel. then ECU in last place.

please read the convo from the start if you are going to join in..

no one ever said houston would be better than cincy.. i have them as my favorite...

the debate is that houstonis projected 5/6 and below by everyone here and in general, and that ucf is a far better team.. im saying we finished 3rd, lost only 1 player of significance and bring in a great class that adds depth to an already decent team

the cincy/smu fans are saying that they dont see us competing with anyone in the top 4 that we are a whole tier below them...and we will be worse next year..

side note: smu is in in our tier just at the top of our tier...and ecu wont be last..they always win enough with lebo not to get fired, even though they have little chance of being good...usf/tulane have better fan optimism but ecu will likely be better, even though those teams have a higher ceiliing

(06-28-2017 03:32 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 03:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  so long stroy short: you are losing more players than houston, you just have confidence the guys replacing them are just as good or better....

just like houston fans...

"Cane Broome is Rob Gray. They are the same player" except gray won everywhere he plays and isnt just pilling points on a bad team..

"Like Evans will get more draft looks than Gray will. He is far more well rounded player. " probably more because evans is 6'6 and gray is 6'2 (short for a nba sg)

and your stats about houston are manipulating
" 2 out of 3 of its top rebounders"...chicken doing 3 rebounds a game as our main "center" is something you donnt worry about losing..rob gray (a 6'2 combo guard) had the same rebounding numbers

"best volume 3 point shooter"
vanbeck is by far the best 3 point shooter in the league by a margin...(this chart has a min shoot requirement)
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...eldGoalPct

"its top 2 shot blockers"
our best shot blocker got only played 10 minutes a game and mostly only played in blowout games..

you are completely manipulating everything..trying to over hype players of little consequence.. we lost 1 player of any consequence

and i can hype our new players to.. we added 8

1) 1st team all-national juco pg, on a 30-2 team...he shot 46% from 3 (would be second best in the AAC after vanbeck)
2) a grad transfer that almost averaged a double double (from a better team than broome) (rebounding numbers would be second only to tacko in the AAC)
3) 4star PF by espn
4) a 6'6 juco SF all-american honoree (did 18pts a game, 40% from 3)
5) the recipient of Texas's Mr Basketball (dominated in high school)/PF
6) a 4star center from 2 years ago (had grad issues)..#3 in all juco in blocks per game, but only played 17 mins a game (#1 if you incorporate mins)
7) a texas top 25 combo guard (ranked the same as your texas commit)
8) a juco 100 PF

you dont see it, you are trying to find ways to justify that we wont be good...not sure why..but like i said, you can discredit bama football as not good all you want, it wont stop them from running you over when you play them (not saying we are bama football in basketball, but discrediting wont matte when we get on the court)

Are you trying to say Houston is better than Cincy?? Yeah not buying that at all. Not even close in my eyes. Wichita, Cincy and SMU will be the top 3 in some order. the 4-7 will likely be Temple, Houston, UConn and UCF in some order. Followed closely by Tulsa then Memphis and then the bottom 3 although I feel like Tulane is going to be much improved. I also like what USF was able to do although it will likely take some time for them to gel. then ECU in last place.

This is what I see although UCF showed enough to elevate a tier. I did not even consider UConn. UConn will be much improved this year. No Cincy fan thinks that Houston or for that matter Temple and UConn will be pushovers.

EDIT: I think we can just wrap up the UH conversation, Pesik seems to think that all of the guys coming in are ready to go and proven and Dotson was just a contributor. Most other disagree. I don't think anyone is ready until they have done it at this level. Guys who played d1 ball, like UH's big and UCF 3 transfers all seem more likely to translate.

I have UH finishing 5th (UCF, Temple and UH all seem close). Could do better and I wouldn't be shocked if this was Sampson best team or at least even with others, but this might be the best AAC field yet. The season will tell.

FWIW, I appreciate your arguments for UH, Pesik. We just seem to be going in circles.

(06-28-2017 04:11 PM)PonyExpressHoops Wrote:  EDIT: I think we can just wrap up the UH conversation, Pesik seems to think that all of the guys coming in are ready to go and proven and Dotson was just a contributor. Most other disagree. I don't think anyone is ready until they have done it at this level. Guys who played d1 ball, like UH's big and UCF 3 transfers all seem more likely to translate.

I have UH finishing 5th (UCF, Temple and UH all seem close). Could do better and I wouldn't be shocked if this was Sampson best team or at least even with others, but this might be the best AAC field yet. The season will tell.

You are twisting my words.
You lost semi and sterling ... You lost a ton more than us and yet you think you'll be fine.. and are Basing it off a transfer who won't play till December who was bench on a bad Arkansas team

The hypocrisy on these projections are crazy..

No one said all our guys are proven..I said we can replace Dotson's 17 points a game with a combination of our new players and stepping up by some returning guys

I even noted earlier that lets say 4 flop, we still have 4 players that could do 5 points per game and we'd more than make up for what we lost .. don't act like I'm calling all conference type hype

(Something you guys are actually doing with your transfers)

And most of our "juco" would have played major D1 ball had they not had academic issues in high school...Harris was a 4star ranked, the 3rd best player in Houston when he finished high school...Davis had numerous D1 offers in high school and his JC.. is your logic because they stepped foot in a JC they are now less likely to be good??? (So going to a big school getting deep bench and not playing would have given them a better chance at success)

And ps Rob gray was a juco .. You can more or less tell which juco will translate from their offers .. Rob chose us over Tennessee. One of Wichita's best players is a juco, Jimmy Butler was a juco, our best player in 2015 was a juco (pollard).

We don't need stars we just need role players

(06-28-2017 03:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  so long stroy short: you are losing more players than houston, you just have confidence the guys replacing them are just as good or better....

just like houston fans...

"Cane Broome is Rob Gray. They are the same player" except gray won everywhere he plays and isnt just pilling points on a bad team..

"Like Evans will get more draft looks than Gray will. He is far more well rounded player. " probably more because evans is 6'6 and gray is 6'2 (short for a nba sg)

and your stats about houston are manipulating
" 2 out of 3 of its top rebounders"...chicken doing 3 rebounds a game as our main "center" is something you donnt worry about losing..rob gray (a 6'2 combo guard) had the same rebounding numbers

"best volume 3 point shooter"
vanbeck is by far the best 3 point shooter in the league by a margin...(this chart has a min shoot requirement)
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...eldGoalPct

"its top 2 shot blockers"
our best shot blocker got only played 10 minutes a game and mostly only played in blowout games..

you are completely manipulating everything..trying to over hype players of little consequence.. we lost 1 player of any consequence

and i can hype our new players to.. we added 8

1) 1st team all-national juco pg, on a 30-2 team...he shot 46% from 3 (would be second best in the AAC after vanbeck)
2) a grad transfer that almost averaged a double double (from a better team than broome) (rebounding numbers would be second only to tacko in the AAC)
3) 4star PF by espn
4) a 6'6 juco SF all-american honoree (did 18pts a game, 40% from 3)
5) the recipient of Texas's Mr Basketball (dominated in high school)/PF
6) a 4star center from 2 years ago (had grad issues)..#3 in all juco in blocks per game, but only played 17 mins a game (#1 if you incorporate mins)
7) a texas top 25 combo guard (ranked the same as your texas commit)
8) a juco 100 PF

you dont see it, you are trying to find ways to justify that we wont be good...not sure why..but like i said, you can discredit bama football as not good all you want, it wont stop them from running you over when you play them (not saying we are bama football in basketball, but discrediting wont matte when we get on the court)

1. I didn't cherry pick any stats. I used the same measuring stick for UC. I don't care the stipulations behind it, the fact i said was true and all based on per game totals. Its not like I cherry picked Per 40 minutes. If you leading rebounder only played spot minutes, then it means the guy who didn't play spot minutes are terrible rebounders.

2. If Broome is a straight up flop, UC is still a top 25 team. Broome will be the 5th best player on the court for UC in the starting lineup. Anything we get from is extra. Evans, Cumberland, Clark and Washington will carry the load and have the bulk of the possessions. IF Houston's new comers contribute nothing, they will be worse than last year.

3. How is Gray a winning player? He is 0-4 in elimination games. And 17 of his teams 43 wins came against 200+ competition. Cane Broome played on a bad team, was the focus of the defense and was double teamed every time he touched the ball and still managed 23PPG and the NEC player of the year. If he scores 10ppg, he will give us what Caupain did. I think he capable. And because he is a transfer, we've already had insiders have in depth looks at him. They all call him an impact player. He went from benching 95 pounds when he got on campus last year, to benching 185. His weight went from 147 to 163 in less than a year. He maybe a dud, but I'd take our 2 top comers over any 2 Houston has.

When I made the comparison to gray, I was pointing at the way that he plays. Watch the video and tell me that he doesn't play just like Gray does. A shifty scorer who under sized but is athletic enough to score on big men and dunk the ball in game at 6'0.

4. VanBeck shot the 3rd most 3 point attempts on the team. He might be a great shooter but he doesn't take them in volume like Dotson does, who took 2.5x more 3 point shots as Van Beck and still put up over 40%. Thats insane. Dotson was 8th in the entire country on 3 point field goals MADE per game.
Vanbeck is not in the top 251 in 3 pointers made by game.

5. So you really think UC lost more than Houston? In a vacuum, you could debate Caupain vs Dotson, but looking at the roster, UC is in much better shape than Houston.



UC has very little to be worried about on the court against Houston IMO. Gary clark and Kyle Washington will utterly dominate any freshman or juco guy Houston has. And thats not a diss on Houston, they can dominate a lot of players.

Also, I've only mention Cane Broome because he will certainly start for us. But UC also brings in 4 Freshman.
1. Keith Williams: 4 Star Recruit out of NYC. 6'5 SG/SF. Good defender, can score on all 3 levels, and athletic as ever. Will push for 10-15 minutes a game
2. Trevor Moore: 3 Star recruit 6'5 SG who is lights out 3 point shooter and good defender. is the definition of 3 and D. If he were white, he would be a 4 star recruit. For some reason its ok for White guys to be pure shooters who don't do much else but not black guys (not an original statement, stolen from UC's recruiting analyst)
3. Mamadou Diallo: 3 Star recruit 6'9 forward who can shoot, wants to be a SF but will probably be a stretch 4. Athletic and tons of potential. Stolen from UCONN
4. Elil Nsesome 6'9 PF/C. 3 Star high motor high energy inside post player. is a project. Will likely redshirt


I mean, Houston is touting their Recruiting class like its the second coming but everyone else is recruiting too. This is a very unheralded class from UC. probably the least unherladed in the last few years, yet I wouldn't trade it with Houstons

Also bringing in 8 new players on any team is ridiculously hard for team chemistry and just hard on the coaches.

Even UK struggles for a while when they have 8 new players and they are 8 elite athletes.

A non heralded 8 man class is more cause for concern than praise, at least in that first year.

(06-28-2017 05:02 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  1. I didn't cherry pick any stats. I used the same measuring stick for UC. I don't care the stipulations behind it, the fact i said was true and all based on per game totals. Its not like I cherry picked Per 40 minutes. If you leading rebounder only played spot minutes, then it means the guy who didn't play spot minutes are terrible rebounders.

2. If Broome is a straight up flop, UC is still a top 25 team. Broome will be the 5th best player on the court for UC in the starting lineup. Anything we get from is extra. Evans, Cumberland, Clark and Washington will carry the load and have the bulk of the possessions. IF Houston's new comers contribute nothing, they will be worse than last year.

3. How is Gray a winning player? He is 0-4 in elimination games. And 17 of his teams 43 wins came against 200+ competition. Cane Broome played on a bad team, was the focus of the defense and was double teamed every time he touched the ball and still managed 23PPG and the NEC player of the year. If he scores 10ppg, he will give us what Caupain did. I think he capable. And because he is a transfer, we've already had insiders have in depth looks at him. They all call him an impact player. He went from benching 95 pounds when he got on campus last year, to benching 185. His weight went from 147 to 163 in less than a year. He maybe a dud, but I'd take our 2 top comers over any 2 Houston has.

When I made the comparison to gray, I was pointing at the way that he plays. Watch the video and tell me that he doesn't play just like Gray does. A shifty scorer who under sized but is athletic enough to score on big men and dunk the ball in game at 6'0.

4. VanBeck shot the 3rd most 3 point attempts on the team. He might be a great shooter but he doesn't take them in volume like Dotson does, who took 2.5x more 3 point shots as Van Beck and still put up over 40%. Thats insane. Dotson was 8th in the entire country on 3 point field goals MADE per game.
Vanbeck is not in the top 251 in 3 pointers made by game.

5. So you really think UC lost more than Houston? In a vacuum, you could debate Caupain vs Dotson, but looking at the roster, UC is in much better shape than Houston.



UC has very little to be worried about on the court against Houston IMO. Gary clark and Kyle Washington will utterly dominate any freshman or juco guy Houston has. And thats not a diss on Houston, they can dominate a lot of players.

Also, I've only mention Cane Broome because he will certainly start for us. But UC also brings in 4 Freshman.
1. Keith Williams: 4 Star Recruit out of NYC. 6'5 SG/SF. Good defender, can score on all 3 levels, and athletic as ever. Will push for 10-15 minutes a game
2. Trevor Moore: 3 Star recruit 6'5 SG who is lights out 3 point shooter and good defender. is the definition of 3 and D. If he were white, he would be a 4 star recruit. For some reason its ok for White guys to be pure shooters who don't do much else but not black guys (not an original statement, stolen from UC's recruiting analyst)
3. Mamadou Diallo: 3 Star recruit 6'9 forward who can shoot, wants to be a SF but will probably be a stretch 4. Athletic and tons of potential. Stolen from UCONN
4. Elil Nsesome 6'9 PF/C. 3 Star high motor high energy inside post player. is a project. Will likely redshirt


I mean, Houston is touting their Recruiting class like its the second coming but everyone else is recruiting too. This is a very unheralded class from UC. probably the least unherladed in the last few years, yet I wouldn't trade it with Houstons

1) i agree we had horrible rebounders and shot blockers in the post from our bigs last year...our 2 bigs last year played guards (point forwards) in high school (meyer & chicken) ..they had a hard time transitioning to being a true post...this is why houston fans are excited about next year..we have a ton of new true bigs

3) gray has taken 2 teams to NITs.. he has takens us to our 2 best back to back teams since 1992
and gray doesn't get double teamed?? literally the scouting report for everyone says to focus on gray as he was the only one that could create his own shot constantly (and we played at a way hard level than sacred heart, who won 12 games in 2015) ... think about it everyone knew we had no post, and that only 2 players could score regularly and we still finished 3rd in the league and he won the league scoring champ

and broome doesn't remind me of gray at all, gray isnt shifty like that or play small/elusive like broome ( i watched the reel)..gray mostly tries to be more physical, he is short for a sg, but he is stronger than most and tries muscle his way in .
broome actually remind me more of the PG you are trying to down play, corey davis (all american juco pg)
https://youtu.be/zTGsDp3kU4A (they even shoot the ball weirdly the same, kicking their legs forward)

4) dotson wasn't a volume shooter his junior year...vanbeck..or brooks..or davis (a 50% 3point shooter) can pick up their volume like he did

5) and uc on paper is better, thats not a debate...but i think we have a fighting chance

6) 4 of our top 5 players return..we arent mixing 8 new players together who we expect to carry us..we just need them to play a role to those guys already here

It will be interesting to see what Jank can do without the two rocks, Ben Moore and Sterling Brown. They did everything asked of them and moore (pardon the pun). Team players par excellence. One thing Larry did for Jank is bring in Semi. Jank has brought in Whitt and McMurray. Let's see if they can pay off like Semi did. Will be an exciting year with the addition of WSU and maybe the resurgence of UConn and Temple. Can't wait! And if they pay off, we're almost thru the scholarship restriction without losing a step.

I would not be surprised to see UH finish anywhere in the top 5. With UC, WSU, SMU, UCF, UH, and do not count out UCONN, teams will have to steal victories on the road if they want to win the title. I think it will be a very good year for the conference in basketball. Houston has surely up graded their talent level over the last few years. As far as if Broome is a flop, UC will still be great? I am not so sure about that. You need a steady hand at point when games come down to the wire, and he has some big shoes to fill as Caupain was very clutch in key moments.

(06-28-2017 04:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 04:11 PM)PonyExpressHoops Wrote:  EDIT: I think we can just wrap up the UH conversation, Pesik seems to think that all of the guys coming in are ready to go and proven and Dotson was just a contributor. Most other disagree. I don't think anyone is ready until they have done it at this level. Guys who played d1 ball, like UH's big and UCF 3 transfers all seem more likely to translate.

I have UH finishing 5th (UCF, Temple and UH all seem close). Could do better and I wouldn't be shocked if this was Sampson best team or at least even with others, but this might be the best AAC field yet. The season will tell.

You are twisting my words.
You lost semi and sterling ... You lost a ton more than us and yet you think you'll be fine.. and are Basing it off a transfer who won't play till December who was bench on a bad Arkansas team


We don't need stars we just need role players

Whitt is our Arkansas transfer, and he is eligible to play all year. He put up good numbers for a freshman in the SEC. McMurray from USF is not eligible until December.

Also, everyone needs stars....

(06-28-2017 07:17 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  It will be interesting to see what Jank can do without the two rocks, Ben Moore and Sterling Brown. They did everything asked of them and moore (pardon the pun). Team players par excellence. One thing Larry did for Jank is bring in Semi. Jank has brought in Whitt and McMurray. Let's see if they can pay off like Semi did. Will be an exciting year with the addition of WSU and maybe the resurgence of UConn and Temple. Can't wait! And if they pay off, we're almost thru the scholarship restriction without losing a step.

Will be fun to see how they all mix together. Shake, Whitt, and Jarrey have such great chemistry together. Whitt is gonna be fun to watch, not the shooter Semi was, but man can he play (showing why he was a top 65 recruit nationally). Looks awesome in summer workouts. Explosive and real good defender. That will be a scary trio. Shake looks unreal.

We are gonna be a real nice defensive team again. McMurray will be interesting to see how he fits in, he seems to have similar questions to Broome at Cincy. It's gonna be about how all the guys like him mesh together with our core of Shake, Jarrey, Gu and Whitt.

FWIW Ponyfans, Isiaha Mike did we hit the jackpot beating out Oregon for him. He looks better than his tape and has a year to work on his perimeter game to be that hybrid 3/4. For those who haven't seen his freshman highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-1J4xdkykY

(06-28-2017 11:28 PM)PonyUpTempo Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 04:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 04:11 PM)PonyExpressHoops Wrote:  EDIT: I think we can just wrap up the UH conversation, Pesik seems to think that all of the guys coming in are ready to go and proven and Dotson was just a contributor. Most other disagree. I don't think anyone is ready until they have done it at this level. Guys who played d1 ball, like UH's big and UCF 3 transfers all seem more likely to translate.

I have UH finishing 5th (UCF, Temple and UH all seem close). Could do better and I wouldn't be shocked if this was Sampson best team or at least even with others, but this might be the best AAC field yet. The season will tell.

You are twisting my words.
You lost semi and sterling ... You lost a ton more than us and yet you think you'll be fine.. and are Basing it off a transfer who won't play till December who was bench on a bad Arkansas team


We don't need stars we just need role players

Whitt is our Arkansas transfer, and he is eligible to play all year. He put up good numbers for a freshman in the SEC. McMurray from USF is not eligible until December.

Also, everyone needs stars....

Yeah that's my main point. You need stars (or a great system) to make the NCAAT.

Houston right now has Gray and a bunch of question marks. If Davis makes the leap or one of the newcomers is an impact guy, then I could see Houston at 3 or 4 in the AAC. Houston just hasn't shown me enough under Sampson to think they can be really good unless they have a couple of offensive stars. They haven't rebounded well and they don't defend...

UCF's formula is defense and rebounding. I honestly don't think losing Matt Williams is a big deal at all, as long as they can find someone to stretch the defense. Doesn't have to be a 15 ppg scorer, but they'll need a guy or two that are threats from 3 to prevent defenses from collapsing down on Tacko every possession. They'll be elite defensively and on the glass again this year. Their pieces fit their system better than Houston's, in my opinion. Although there is the caveat that some of these Houston newcomers could be very good, but they aren't ranked highly enough to think they are slam dunk impact guys at this point.

(06-28-2017 07:17 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  I would not be surprised to see UH finish anywhere in the top 5. With UC, WSU, SMU, UCF, UH, and do not count out UCONN, teams will have to steal victories on the road if they want to win the title. I think it will be a very good year for the conference in basketball. Houston has surely up graded their talent level over the last few years. As far as if Broome is a flop, UC will still be great? I am not so sure about that. You need a steady hand at point when games come down to the wire, and he has some big shoes to fill as Caupain was very clutch in key moments.

If Broome can't handle the starting role then you have 2 options:

1. Start Justin Jenifer: He is pass first and can break down the defense to get Evans, Cumberland, Clark and Washington Open

2. Start Keith Williams: Move Jacob Evans to the point, he played PG in high school and could easily run it in Mick's offensive and have Keith play the wing in his place.

And thats if Broome is a flop. I have a ton of faith in him. He has put in serious work in the off season to change his body and even last year UC defenders couldn't keep up with him in practice. I've read many reports where the second team, lead by Jarron and Cane, beat the first team.

I Loved Troy. He is a winning player. But the reality is, Mick had to keep the offense at a certain pace for him to be successful. He is a strong gaurd who plays slow and steady. But UC was one of the best transistion teams in college basketbll last year because of Evans and Cumberland. Slow and steady is not their cup of tea.

(06-29-2017 12:51 AM)PonyExpressHoops Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 07:17 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  It will be interesting to see what Jank can do without the two rocks, Ben Moore and Sterling Brown. They did everything asked of them and moore (pardon the pun). Team players par excellence. One thing Larry did for Jank is bring in Semi. Jank has brought in Whitt and McMurray. Let's see if they can pay off like Semi did. Will be an exciting year with the addition of WSU and maybe the resurgence of UConn and Temple. Can't wait! And if they pay off, we're almost thru the scholarship restriction without losing a step.

Will be fun to see how they all mix together. Shake, Whitt, and Jarrey have such great chemistry together. Whitt is gonna be fun to watch, not the shooter Semi was, but man can he play (showing why he was a top 65 recruit nationally). Looks awesome in summer workouts. Explosive and real good defender. That will be a scary trio. Shake looks unreal.

We are gonna be a real nice defensive team again. McMurray will be interesting to see how he fits in, he seems to have similar questions to Broome at Cincy. It's gonna be about how all the guys like him mesh together with our core of Shake, Jarrey, Gu and Whitt.

FWIW Ponyfans, Isiaha Mike did we hit the jackpot beating out Oregon for him. He looks better than his tape and has a year to work on his perimeter game to be that hybrid 3/4. For those who haven't seen his freshman highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-1J4xdkykY

I kinda hate the way he looks (He looks like a movie villian) but I think Jank is a really good coach.

He got the most out of his 6 man rotation last year.

IMO its Shake Milton's year to bust out and have a year that will send him to the NBA. I do worry about their post players but they way they played Defense and gang rebounded last year, they proved they didn't need a true big.

I think on paper were better than SMU but I don't want to play them in Moody

I've was told Mike has been a beast early on. The coaches are raving about him.

As justinhub mentioned, inside play is our big question mark. A lot of pressure on Agau, Ray and Chargois.