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(03-20-2017 09:13 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 09:03 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I legitimately think (and expect) that next year will be a vast improvement in all areas. We will be replacing a timid "PG" with a scoring guard who loves to attack and still shoots at the same rate as Troy (Broome),

This is what I am most interested in seeing next year. Watching the Broome highlights I would say your projection of his game is right on. That style does not seem to be what Mick wants in a PG though.

Last night I saw a senior PG, who has been a four year starter, playing in his last game turn the ball over because he was completely turned around looking to his coach for instruction. That blew my mind. If Mick still has to tell Troy Caupain what to run at that point in his career then either Troy never understood the system or Mick is a complete control freak and gives his PG no freedom. Which do we really think it is?

Agreed. Mick control freak.
 
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(03-20-2017 09:55 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  * I know Louisville lost yesterday, but gawd I'd kill to have their athletic department right now. They have Top 15 money, are in the ACC, have a top 25 football programs with a Heisman Trophy QB, their basketball team has won so much in the past 10-15 years, they have a top 25 women's team, their baseball team is #1 in America, their men and women's soccer team is Top 25, etc. etc. UC's teams are all good, but we are perpetually a day late and a dollar short.

And I know you completely understand this.... at one time UC and UofL were darn near identical. What happened? My only answer is leadership and vision. They had it, we did not.
 
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If Mick could somehow pull in one legitimate blue chip to join a team like next year's I think we could have a shot. Year after year we are consistently missing the elite level talent it takes. Cumberland has that potential, and if we could give him one top 25 type player to go along side him, we would be a legitimate final 4 team.

I know that will never happen though because of how hard it is to recruit those guys. Recruiting isn't like it was in the 90's when Huggins was here. The top players used to get spread around a lot more, all of the top 20-30 players are going to about 4-5 schools with a couple random FSU'S and LSU's who get one a year too.
 
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(03-20-2017 10:04 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 09:55 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  * I know Louisville lost yesterday, but gawd I'd kill to have their athletic department right now. They have Top 15 money, are in the ACC, have a top 25 football programs with a Heisman Trophy QB, their basketball team has won so much in the past 10-15 years, they have a top 25 women's team, their baseball team is #1 in America, their men and women's soccer team is Top 25, etc. etc. UC's teams are all good, but we are perpetually a day late and a dollar short.

And I know you completely understand this.... at one time UC and UofL were darn near identical. What happened? My only answer is leadership and vision. They had it, we did not.

Money happened
 
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(03-20-2017 10:15 AM)cpawstoney Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 10:04 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 09:55 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  * I know Louisville lost yesterday, but gawd I'd kill to have their athletic department right now. They have Top 15 money, are in the ACC, have a top 25 football programs with a Heisman Trophy QB, their basketball team has won so much in the past 10-15 years, they have a top 25 women's team, their baseball team is #1 in America, their men and women's soccer team is Top 25, etc. etc. UC's teams are all good, but we are perpetually a day late and a dollar short.

And I know you completely understand this.... at one time UC and UofL were darn near identical. What happened? My only answer is leadership and vision. They had it, we did not.

Money happened

In Lousiville's case, debt happened.
 
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(03-20-2017 08:28 AM)wanes Wrote:  Woke up pissed this morning. Angry that the committee screwed us, angry kyle washington doesnt show up for road games, angry X is in the S16. Id rather of only won 20 games but still be playing. Sick of seeing teams with Cincinnati on their chest have great regular seasons then exit quickly in the post season.

Did this wake you up pissed back then? It did for me.

1996–97 Cincinnati 26–8 NCAA Round of 32
1997–98 Cincinnati 27–6 NCAA Round of 32
1998–99 Cincinnati 27–6 NCAA Round of 32
1999–00 Cincinnati 29–4 NCAA Round of 32
2000–01 Cincinnati 25–10 NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2001–02 Cincinnati 31–4 NCAA Round of 32
2002–03 Cincinnati 17–12 NCAA Round of 64
2003–04 Cincinnati 25–7 NCAA Round of 32
2004–05 Cincinnati 25–8 NCAA Round of 32

This season looks almost identical to the '01-'02 season.

Oh yeah. I look at what we've done in the past 20 years, then I see what Xavier has done and i throw up a little bit.
 
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(03-20-2017 10:13 AM)jarr Wrote:  If Mick could somehow pull in one legitimate blue chip to join a team like next year's I think we could have a shot. Year after year we are consistently missing the elite level talent it takes. Cumberland has that potential, and if we could give him one top 25 type player to go along side him, we would be a legitimate final 4 team.

I know that will never happen though because of how hard it is to recruit those guys. Recruiting isn't like it was in the 90's when Huggins was here. The top players used to get spread around a lot more, all of the top 20-30 players are going to about 4-5 schools with a couple random FSU'S and LSU's who get one a year too.

Agreed. I'd prefer to never know what it takes to make it happen, but to be honest I really don't care at this point.

Plan B would be a a grad transfer with some serious skills which I am not sure exists.
 
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(03-20-2017 08:03 AM)doss2 Wrote:  We need to adjust expectations. We are a good Mid Major Team. We have went about as fare as we can go being in the America and with coach Mick. Would any of us have been shocked to have lost to KSU? I doubt it. Disappointed yes, shocked no.

Look at the recruits for next year. All are 3 Stars. The only wiff of McDonalds they ever got was at the checkout saying "Make that a value meal." No Flight White, no Damon Flint, no Satterfield, no Born Ready, etc.

don't forget mike williams! that seems like ages ago. born ready wasn't an all american.

while i'm not disappointed by the loss, mick won't take it to the next level if he continues trying to overachieve with three star talent. whatever the hindrances are, ie conference affiliation, shoestring budget... it's time to stop letting your talent overachieve and overachieve yourself.

it's hard to fault any of the players he has gotten. very few would any of had wanted to kick off the team. but perhaps that's just adjusted perspective, lowered expectations. that's the phrase i was looking for. i think he's playing it too safe as a recruiter. gametime's gonna come in here and rip me a new one. fingers crossed
 
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(03-20-2017 10:04 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 09:55 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  * I know Louisville lost yesterday, but gawd I'd kill to have their athletic department right now. They have Top 15 money, are in the ACC, have a top 25 football programs with a Heisman Trophy QB, their basketball team has won so much in the past 10-15 years, they have a top 25 women's team, their baseball team is #1 in America, their men and women's soccer team is Top 25, etc. etc. UC's teams are all good, but we are perpetually a day late and a dollar short.

And I know you completely understand this.... at one time UC and UofL were darn near identical. What happened? My only answer is leadership and vision. They had it, we did not.

We both invested heavily in anticipation for the Big East. The only exceptions were were didnt touch the Shoe or Nippert, and Louisville built brand new everything. So yes, better leadership and vision along with further investment in the money making sports. Decisions 13+ years ago lead to them getting into the ACC and not UC.
 
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I'd like to give the board a huge pat on the back. I avoided this place last night, but I will say I am pretty impressed with the posts in this thread. Aside from the one usual person who can't move on from two decades ago there are some really great, thought out and disciplined posts.
 
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Really pleased with KW and JC, glad they are back next year.
 
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What do we know about the next schedule next year?

Cayman Island tournament. Iowa, UAB, and Wyoming are other "top names"
at Xavier
Home games at NKU

Lot of blanks to be filled in.
 
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(03-20-2017 11:14 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  What do we know about the next schedule next year?

Cayman Island tournament. Iowa, UAB, and Wyoming are other "top names"
at Xavier
Home games at NKU

Lot of blanks to be filled in.

Next year's schedule has me worried as of now. As good as this team could be they need some big games to build their resume.
 
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(03-20-2017 10:31 AM)wanes Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 10:04 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 09:55 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  * I know Louisville lost yesterday, but gawd I'd kill to have their athletic department right now. They have Top 15 money, are in the ACC, have a top 25 football programs with a Heisman Trophy QB, their basketball team has won so much in the past 10-15 years, they have a top 25 women's team, their baseball team is #1 in America, their men and women's soccer team is Top 25, etc. etc. UC's teams are all good, but we are perpetually a day late and a dollar short.

And I know you completely understand this.... at one time UC and UofL were darn near identical. What happened? My only answer is leadership and vision. They had it, we did not.

We both invested heavily in anticipation for the Big East. The only exceptions were were didnt touch the Shoe or Nippert, and Louisville built brand new everything. So yes, better leadership and vision along with further investment in the money making sports. Decisions 13+ years ago lead to them getting into the ACC and not UC.

And didn't Louisville essentially get a free ride on the Yum Center? Kentucky has exactly zero major league professional teams in the state. Yum may have been a "build it and they will come" for an NBA franchise and U of L was the beneficiary.

So yes, U of L did a fine job driving a rebuild of athletic facilities and programs. But their local corporations have no major league franchises dividing their loyalty and dollars.

I'm fine with the premise here: Pitt competes in similar conditions to Cincinnati and they are in the ACC now and we're not. It's a complex equation but facilities are certainly a factor. They were busy building an outstanding college arena while UC may have presumed the good life in the Big East would last forever.
 
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(03-20-2017 11:15 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 11:14 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  What do we know about the next schedule next year?

Cayman Island tournament. Iowa, UAB, and Wyoming are other "top names"
at Xavier
Home games at NKU

Lot of blanks to be filled in.

Next year's schedule has me worried as of now. As good as this team could be they need some big games to build their resume.

Me too. I haven't heard anything other those games I listed above. No reason to play more than six home games in the non-conference next season. Play on weekends if you can for home games and then schedule some made for TV road games and neutral site games. No reason not to challenge yourself and in my view going west is the easiest way to do it. The top teams in the PAC-12, WCC, and MWC are usually desperate for good non-conference games. Heck I would go to UCLA without a return game if it was national TV game on CBS, Fox, or ESPN. Home and home with Gonzaga, BYU, St. Mary's, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado State, SDSU, New Mexico State, and company should be easy to schedule. Even some of the Big XII of Big East teams might be open to scheduling UC.
 
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(03-20-2017 08:28 AM)wanes Wrote:  Woke up pissed this morning. Angry that the committee screwed us, angry kyle washington doesnt show up for road games, angry X is in the S16. Id rather of only won 20 games but still be playing. Sick of seeing teams with Cincinnati on their chest have great regular seasons then exit quickly in the post season.

I'm still trying to figure out how the committee screwed us.
 
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If the bball team starts the season already ranked in the top 20 - is there any reason to believe they couldn't be top 10 for several weeks next year?
 
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(03-20-2017 06:55 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  UC did exactly what was expected after the committee screw job. Beat a decent K-State team convincingly and then had nowhere near the roster to compete for 40 minutes in what was effectively a home game for a UCLA roster that looks more like a NBA team than it does an AAC team.

I know what people hoped for. What did they honestly expect? Did they even watch UCLA this year? That second half is exactly what they have done all year even against better teams than UC.

It's one of the best shooting and passing teams I've ever seen.

Agree, it was a tale of two halves... I'm proud of the team.
 
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(03-20-2017 11:43 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  If the bball team starts the season already ranked in the top 20 - is there any reason to believe they couldn't be top 10 for several weeks next year?

We can only hope.........03-cloud9
 
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(03-20-2017 09:38 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(03-20-2017 08:03 AM)doss2 Wrote:  We need to adjust expectations. We are a good Mid Major Team. We have went about as fare as we can go being in the America and with coach Mick. Would any of us have been shocked to have lost to KSU? I doubt it. Disappointed yes, shocked no.

Look at the recruits for next year. All are 3 Stars. The only wiff of McDonalds they ever got was at the checkout saying "Make that a value meal." No Flight White, no Damon Flint, no Satterfield, no Born Ready, etc.

Adjust expectations. Sadly, you are correct. Mid-major in line ordering at the neighborhood McDonald's. That's UC. 6th Seed is the cap for this league. Mathematically that does not get anyone to the second weekend. We will eventually bank one in from 60 feet or get an easy draw in order to get crushed a game later, but that's all its ever going to be.

Mick has done an outstanding job bringing UC back from the self-imposed death penalty to a 30 win season and 7 straight tournament appearances. Bill Self, Sean Miller, Mark Few, and whoever you think is a future hall-of-fame coach is not coming to UC - ever. There is no money for that. You want Akron's coach? UCF's? I'll pass because I know that whoever replaces Mick will be hamstrung with the same crappy league and limited revenues. Plus Mick's kids are excellent ambassadors for the University.

Adjust expectations. Williams, Ono, and the BOT have made it so.

Can you really put too much blame on the university though? Isn't it just what has become of college athletics? It's just a glorified major sports league now. It's a lot closer to being a system like MLB than amateur athletics. The P5 is the Yankees. We are the Reds. Small market teams can still win occasionally but they face a much harder road to get there.
 
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