RE: Pete Thamel of SI saying Wichita St AAC could happen in few months
(03-24-2017 12:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:
(03-23-2017 03:36 PM)HuskyHawk Wrote:
(03-23-2017 03:06 PM)SubGod22 Wrote: Gregg Marshall has been leaving for the past 6 years according to the media. He's still here and probably will be for some time. And if he does leave, Wichita has the fan support and financial backing to make a good hire, or get rid of a bad hire.
I like WSU, and have several relatives who are grads and live in the area. But the reality is that he likely will move on at some point, and that it would be nearly impossible to find anyone half as good. It would require a lot of luck.
Yep, eventually a P5 is going to wave $5m under his nose and WSU won't be able to match, and he'll be gone.
And then some conference like the AAC will have added a suddenly mediocre "basketball school".
Not many "mediocre" basketball schools have huge budgets. More times than not, big budgets in basketball result in good basketball programs. They are a cheap add (only get a "basketball share of revenue")and have a large basketball budget. Thats why they are a good add.
(This post was last modified: 03-24-2017 11:20 AM by Attackcoog.)
RE: Pete Thamel of SI saying Wichita St AAC could happen in few months
Yeah ... I don't really get why quo is so against adding WSU.
Like you say, they're a cheap add. They won't get football money from the AAC. And they round out the full membership to 12, while giving Tulsa (especially), SMU, Houston, Memphis, and even Tulane a good team in the Central Timezone.
Who would you rather add for #12??
(This post was last modified: 03-24-2017 10:05 AM by MplsBison.)
RE: Pete Thamel of SI saying Wichita St AAC could happen in few months
Nobody says Marshall will never leave. But the ignorant thought that any P5 program can wave some money at him and he's gone is laughable as he's already turned down a number of P5 offers in the past. He will only leave for a top program in the right area that requires no rebuild at all. He's basically said as much in the past. He's a top 10 paid coach right now and there aren't a lot of opportunities going to be available. And he will leave or retire at some point and Wichita has shown it'll pay a winner and it will attract good candidates.
RE: Pete Thamel of SI saying Wichita St AAC could happen in few months
(03-24-2017 10:15 AM)SubGod22 Wrote: Nobody says Marshall will never leave. But the ignorant thought that any P5 program can wave some money at him and he's gone is laughable as he's already turned down a number of P5 offers in the past. He will only leave for a top program in the right area that requires no rebuild at all. He's basically said as much in the past. He's a top 10 paid coach right now and there aren't a lot of opportunities going to be available. And he will leave or retire at some point and Wichita has shown it'll pay a winner and it will attract good candidates.
I'm not sure that he will ever leave. If WSU are really going to the AAC he will get another increase in pay and be in a much better conference which will just increase his ability to recruit top talent. Marshall has a great thing going. He doesn't have to fight with football for money or relevance, he's king. It is why I don't believe WSU will ever add FB, a smart move in my opinion.
RE: Pete Thamel of SI saying Wichita St AAC could happen in few months
(03-24-2017 10:15 AM)SubGod22 Wrote: Nobody says Marshall will never leave. But the ignorant thought that any P5 program can wave some money at him and he's gone is laughable as he's already turned down a number of P5 offers in the past. He will only leave for a top program in the right area that requires no rebuild at all. He's basically said as much in the past. He's a top 10 paid coach right now and there aren't a lot of opportunities going to be available. And he will leave or retire at some point and Wichita has shown it'll pay a winner and it will attract good candidates.
Yeah he's laughed NC State out of the room multiple times in the last 5 years or so, and that's a program with a lot of money and 2 national championships.
RE: Pete Thamel of SI saying Wichita St AAC could happen in few months
(03-24-2017 06:41 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:
(03-24-2017 05:54 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: Virginia Tech already had an invite to join Big East for 1996 but needed an extra year with the Metro group. There was some legal wrangling and they eventually received $1m from C-USA -- good money in those days. VPI wound up playing that one season in the A10 before joining the old BE. Dayton joined the A10 immediately and of course is still there. VCU joined the Colonial alongside then-members East Carolina and Old Dominion, among others. The Rams eventually joined the A10 in 2012.
Virginia Tech didn't get invited to the Big East as a full member until 2000. VT and Temple were denied full membership in 1995. Temple then lobbied for VT to be invited to the A10 when the Metro dissolved.
Good catch, LIS. Not sure how I got confused on that.
I do remember VT and VCU being very p*ssed off about the whole situation. You had 5/7 of the Metro membership voting to dissolve the league, but you needed 3/4 to do that and the "2 Virginias" wouldn't budge. As I said, VT eventually settled a lawsuit for about $1m. Not sure what VCU got out of the deal.
RE: Pete Thamel of SI saying Wichita St AAC could happen in few months
(03-24-2017 09:45 AM)MplsBison Wrote:
(03-24-2017 12:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote: eventually a P5 is going to wave $5m under his nose and WSU won't be able to match, and he'll be gone.
And then some conference like the AAC will have added a suddenly mediocre "basketball school".
Like VCU, right?
Sure, lightning can strike twice. Sometimes a mid-major gets lucky and finds another diamond in the rough coach who is able to carry on, when the first diamond gets plucked away, so it could happen at WSU. But it's not likely to happen.
BTW, VCU just lost their second hot coach. We'll see if they can keep carrying on.
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RE: Pete Thamel of SI saying Wichita St AAC could happen in few months
(03-24-2017 12:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:
(03-24-2017 09:45 AM)MplsBison Wrote:
(03-24-2017 12:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote: eventually a P5 is going to wave $5m under his nose and WSU won't be able to match, and he'll be gone.
And then some conference like the AAC will have added a suddenly mediocre "basketball school".
Like VCU, right?
Sure, lightning can strike twice. Sometimes a mid-major gets lucky and finds another diamond in the rough coach who is able to carry on, when the first diamond gets plucked away, so it could happen at WSU. But it's not likely to happen.
BTW, VCU just lost their second hot coach. We'll see if they can keep carrying on.
Capel, Grant, Smart and Wade have all taken VCU to the tournament. Capel (.658) is the only one in that group with a less than .700 winning percentage. They run their basketball program like a major program.They have the largest basketball budget in the A10 and will continue to be the big dog in it. Rhoades is an excellent hire. They'll be fine.
RE: Pete Thamel of SI saying Wichita St AAC could happen in few months
(03-24-2017 12:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote: You're not wrong.
But AAC might be willing to bet that WSU will retain its diamond for a while longer, and then find a second diamond after that.
I wouldn't be shocked if that happened though at least for the time being it doesn't appear that the AAC has any desire to have more than one non-football affiliate. I root for teams in both conferences so I'm well aware of VCU's potential value to the AAC. As an A10 fan I'd hate to see it happen, but I think it likely would be better for VCU in the long run. Adding them would create a clear dividing line between the multi-bid conferences and everyone else.
RE: Pete Thamel of SI saying Wichita St AAC could happen in few months
Let's also not forget that before Marshall, Mark Turgeon was at Wichita. And while I was glad to see him go, he did a decent job of helping build Wichita to a point where we could get someone like Marshall, a HUGE upgrade, to come in and take over.
RE: Pete Thamel of SI saying Wichita St AAC could happen in few months
(03-24-2017 01:35 PM)SubGod22 Wrote: Let's also not forget that before Marshall, Mark Turgeon was at Wichita. And while I was glad to see him go, he did a decent job of helping build Wichita to a point where we could get someone like Marshall, a HUGE upgrade, to come in and take over.