(03-27-2017 09:06 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-26-2017 09:40 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  I'd be interest in knowing how the ACC did vs the initial composition of the tourney (9/68 teams) in terms of the total games in the tourney.

CONF.....WON...LOST...%

WCC........5........1..... .83
PAC........10.......3..... .77
SEC........11.......4..... .73
B12.........9........6..... .60
B1G.........8........7..... .53
ACC.........9........8..... .53
MVC.........1........1..... .50
USA.........1........1..... .50
BW..........1........1..... .50 *
NE...........1........1..... .50 *
BE...........6........7..... .46
AAC.........1........2..... .33
A10.........1........3..... .25
OTHER.....0.......19.... .00

TOTAL.....64.......64... .50

* Win came in play-in game
21 conferences out of 32 did not win a game in the round of 64.

Good work. We will still have a legitimate argument to be the best conference this year if UNC wins the NC. That's not to say that we weren't overrated. But UNC winning would bring our winning % to 11-8 (64%). That would still be behind the WCC, Pac, and SEC, but we sent more teams dancing, so less of our record is from one team having a great run (even though UNC is doing a large amount of the heavy lifting)

Come on, guys. Let's be honest with ourselves here. We had a terrible tournament. North Carolina is having a good tournament but the ACC as a whole clearly bombed out. It's OK to admit it, it demonstrates strength.

Look, year in, you're out, the ACC is going to be the best conference in college basketball. However, there are going to be years where it is not the best league in the country. It's absolutely OK to admit that this was one of those years.

UNC, great tournament, I hope you go all the way. I think it would be cool to have the national champion in both of the major sports. However, that doesn't really change anything with regard to how poorly the conference as a whole performed in March.

(03-27-2017 10:44 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Come on, guys. Let's be honest with ourselves here. We had a terrible tournament. North Carolina is having a good tournament but the ACC as a whole clearly bombed out. It's OK to admit it, it demonstrates strength.

Look, year in, you're out, the ACC is going to be the best conference in college basketball. However, there are going to be years where it is not the best league in the country. It's absolutely OK to admit that this was one of those years.

UNC, great tournament, I hope you go all the way. I think it would be cool to have the national champion in both of the major sports. However, that doesn't really change anything with regard to how poorly the conference as a whole performed in March.

That's the thing: the B1G, the BE, and the B12 had tournies that were just about as bad. The Pac and SEC had great tournies, but they didn't send many teams.

All the conference's were roughly equal.

I would think the ACC mostly recruits against the Big East and Big Ten in hoops. SEC also (mostly the East like SC, FL and KY).

Not concerned with the Pac 12.

An interesting (to me, at least) side note is that the two P6 conferences with the best win% this year are also the two with the highest number of ESPN100 recruits per member school for 2017 so far.

The PAC is leading the way with 20 (1.67 per member) followed by the SEC also with 20 (1.43), the B12 (10/10 teams) and ACC (15/15 teams).

These could change as there are 8 Top 100 players still uncommitted in that class.

(03-27-2017 10:44 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Come on, guys. Let's be honest with ourselves here. We had a terrible tournament. North Carolina is having a good tournament but the ACC as a whole clearly bombed out. It's OK to admit it, it demonstrates strength.

NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR WINNING

(03-27-2017 10:53 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-27-2017 10:44 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Come on, guys. Let's be honest with ourselves here. We had a terrible tournament. North Carolina is having a good tournament but the ACC as a whole clearly bombed out. It's OK to admit it, it demonstrates strength.

Look, year in, you're out, the ACC is going to be the best conference in college basketball. However, there are going to be years where it is not the best league in the country. It's absolutely OK to admit that this was one of those years.

UNC, great tournament, I hope you go all the way. I think it would be cool to have the national champion in both of the major sports. However, that doesn't really change anything with regard to how poorly the conference as a whole performed in March.

That's the thing: the B1G, the BE, and the B12 had tournies that were just about as bad. The Pac and SEC had great tournies, but they didn't send many teams.

All the conference's were roughly equal.

Yeah, I can live with that. No conference was outstanding in this tournament. The SEC probably had the best tournament. Also, the ACC will be back – we all know that.

I just don't want to pretend like this poor showing somehow didn't happen. I think that's bad form and I don't respect that at all and I refuse to participate in such blatant dishonesty.

North Carolina has had a great year and tournament. They are fully deserving of all of the accolades they are receiving and I hope they win the whole thing. As I said earlier, I cannot remember the last time a major conference won both of the major sports championships in the same year and that would be a neat notch to put on our belt.

However, the rest of the league was awful and it's OK to admit it. Now, the good news is most of the other major conferences were similarly awful so it's not that big of a deal. However, let's not pee on anyone's shoes and insist it is raining.

(03-27-2017 12:49 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(03-27-2017 10:53 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-27-2017 10:44 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Come on, guys. Let's be honest with ourselves here. We had a terrible tournament. North Carolina is having a good tournament but the ACC as a whole clearly bombed out. It's OK to admit it, it demonstrates strength.

Look, year in, you're out, the ACC is going to be the best conference in college basketball. However, there are going to be years where it is not the best league in the country. It's absolutely OK to admit that this was one of those years.

UNC, great tournament, I hope you go all the way. I think it would be cool to have the national champion in both of the major sports. However, that doesn't really change anything with regard to how poorly the conference as a whole performed in March.

That's the thing: the B1G, the BE, and the B12 had tournies that were just about as bad. The Pac and SEC had great tournies, but they didn't send many teams.

All the conference's were roughly equal.

Yeah, I can live with that. No conference was outstanding in this tournament. The SEC probably had the best tournament. Also, the ACC will be back – we all know that.

I just don't want to pretend like this poor showing somehow didn't happen. I think that's bad form and I don't respect that at all and I refuse to participate in such blatant dishonesty.

North Carolina has had a great year and tournament. They are fully deserving of all of the accolades they are receiving and I hope they win the whole thing. As I said earlier, I cannot remember the last time a major conference won both of the major sports championships in the same year and that would be a neat notch to put on our belt.

However, the rest of the league was awful and it's OK to admit it. Now, the good news is most of the other major conferences were similarly awful so it's not that big of a deal. However, let's not pee on anyone's shoes and insist it is raining.

Oh no, the poor showing undeniably happened. UNC is the only think keeping this tourney from being an unmitigated disaster. I just don't see another conference that will be unarguably better if UNC does win. There are several conference w/ legitimate arguments that they're the best conference, and the ACC is one of them.

Of course, it's been a bad year for the ACC in the NCAA Tournament. Does anyone have the numbers over a longer period -- like 5 or 10 years?

"If one of your members wins the national title, your conference is automatically, unquestionably the best conference."

- Non-Alabama SEC football fans, 2011, 2012, 2014

(03-27-2017 02:26 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  "If one of your members wins the national title, your conference is automatically, unquestionably the best conference."

- Non-Alabama SEC football fans, 2011, 2012, 2014

If the SC Gamecocks play for the national championship, will Alabama fans be chanting S-E-C?

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(03-27-2017 01:26 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Of course, it's been a bad year for the ACC in the NCAA Tournament. Does anyone have the numbers over a longer period -- like 5 or 10 years?

With the upheaval of conferences due to expansion that could be a little dicey. And then, of course, what defines "conference success"? For some it might be championships, for others NCAA units, for others still a combo of those two and maybe some other factors.

For myself, I am working on a rating system that uses the NCAA credits system, but adding one more point to the max 5 for being runner-up and three more points to the max 5 for being champion.

I am using the 2000 NCAA tournament as the beginning point to try and ascertain which programs have been the most successful so far this century.

But will wait to post the results after this year's tourney concludes.

And then will count on posters like orangefan to double check my results.

Cheers,
Neil

(03-27-2017 01:26 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Of course, it's been a bad year for the ACC in the NCAA Tournament. Does anyone have the numbers over a longer period -- like 5 or 10 years?

Due to realignment, I need to point out that these numbers represent the units earned by the schools in their current conference, even though they may have been earned while in a different conference. They cover the last 7 tournaments. Units are only awarded for games won through the regional finals. Final Four wins do not add to the total.

Conf...Units

ACC...139
B1G...113
B12....89
SEC....79
BE......73
PAC....71
A10....45
AAC....43
WCC...31
MWC..26
MVC...20

Top earners:

Kentucky.....26
UNC............25
Kansas........24
Wisconsin....23
Florida........21
Louisville.....20
Gonzaga......20
Duke...........19
Michigan St..19
Arizona........19
Syracuse......18
Michigan......16
Wichita St....15
Ohio St........15
VCU.............14

EDIT:

It occurs to me it would be more useful to calculate the number of units divided by the number of teams in each conference. It gives a slightly different picture.

ACC...9.3
B12...8.9
B1G...8.1
BE.....7.3
PAC...5.9
SEC...5.6
AAC...3.9
A10...3.2
WCC..3.1
MWC..2.4
MVC...2.0

ADDITIONAL EDIT: In my haste to answer Hallcity's question I made a few errors, one of them egregious (I shorted the B1G by 20 wins). The revised numbers are shown in red.

(03-27-2017 01:26 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Of course, it's been a bad year for the ACC in the NCAA Tournament. Does anyone have the numbers over a longer period -- like 5 or 10 years?

North Carolina-Kentucky scored 15.5 million viewers in Sunday’s NCAA Tournament Elite Eight on CBS, per Nielsen fast-nationals ...

the most-watched regional final since Louisville-Duke in 2013 (15.6M).

Other than Louisville-Duke, no Elite Eight game has had a larger audience since Michigan State-Kentucky in 2005 (17.9M).
-- smw

I GOT YOUR NUMBER

(03-27-2017 06:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-27-2017 01:26 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Of course, it's been a bad year for the ACC in the NCAA Tournament. Does anyone have the numbers over a longer period -- like 5 or 10 years?

Due to realignment, I need to point out that these numbers represent the units earned by the schools in their current conference, even though they may have been earned while in a different conference. They cover the last 7 tournaments. Units are only awarded for games won through the regional finals. Final Four wins do not add to the total.

Conf...Units

ACC...139
B1G...113
B12....89
SEC....79
BE......73
PAC....71
A10....45
AAC....43
WCC...31
MWC..26
MVC...20

Top earners:

Kentucky.....26
UNC............25
Kansas........24
Wisconsin....23
Florida........21
Louisville.....20
Gonzaga......20
Duke...........19
Michigan St..19
Arizona........19
Syracuse......18
Michigan......16
Wichita St....15
Ohio St........15
VCU.............14

EDIT:

It occurs to me it would be more useful to calculate the number of units divided by the number of teams in each conference. It gives a slightly different picture.

ACC...9.3
B12...8.9
B1G...8.1
BE.....7.3
PAC...5.9
SEC...5.6
AAC...3.9
A10...3.2
WCC..3.1
MWC..2.4
MVC...2.0

ADDITIONAL EDIT: In my haste to answer Hallcity's question I made a few errors, one of them egregious (I shorted the B1G by 20 wins). The revised numbers are shown in red.

I have the ACC at 122 for 2012-17 on the pro forma tab of my spreadsheet, which uses current members. The data is for 6 years since that's the period that the NCAA uses to make payments from the Basketball Fund.
http://csnbbs.com/attachment.php?aid=8726

And here is my pro forma calculation after last year's tournament.
http://csnbbs.com/attachment.php?aid=7885

(03-20-2017 02:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 10:44 AM)green Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 10:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Even if UNC wins it all, that will shower glory on UNC, but not the ACC, that ship has sunk.

works for alabama fb & the sec ...

DOUBLE STANDARD

No it doesn't, because the other SEC teams usually do well too. E.g., the year before last, when Bama won the title over Clemson, the SEC won 8 or so other bowl games, like the ACC did this year.

In situations like that, the national champ isn't the only success story in the conference.

ACC football season - Clemson wins title, other ACC teams win bowl games = huge success for ACC.

ACC basketball season - UNC wins title, other ACC teams flop out of tournament = glory for UNCS, ACC flopped.

A-C-C! A-C-C! A-C-C!

(03-27-2017 01:26 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Of course, it's been a bad year for the ACC in the NCAA Tournament. Does anyone have the numbers over a longer period -- like 5 or 10 years?

The Tar Heels’ narrow win, which peaked with 20.5 million viewers from 11-11:15 PM ET, generated the second-largest Final Four audience since 1998. The 2015 Wisconsin-Kentucky game, which ended the Wildcats’ undefeated run, holds the top spot. No other Final Four games since 2002 have exceeded 17.5 million.
-- smw

BADASS TATTOO

(03-20-2017 02:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 10:44 AM)green Wrote:  

(03-20-2017 10:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Even if UNC wins it all, that will shower glory on UNC, but not the ACC, that ship has sunk.

works for alabama fb & the sec ...

DOUBLE STANDARD

No it doesn't, because the other SEC teams usually do well too. E.g., the year before last, when Bama won the title over Clemson, the SEC won 8 or so other bowl games, like the ACC did this year.

In situations like that, the national champ isn't the only success story in the conference.

ACC football season - Clemson wins title, other ACC teams win bowl games = huge success for ACC.

ACC basketball season - UNC wins title, other ACC teams flop out of tournament = glory for UNCS, ACC flopped.

A-C-C! A-C-C! A-C-C!

(03-27-2017 01:26 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Of course, it's been a bad year for the ACC in the NCAA Tournament. Does anyone have the numbers over a longer period -- like 5 or 10 years?

The Tar Heels’ win, which peaked at a 17.4 from 11:30-11:45 PM ET, delivered the third-highest overnight for the national championship since UNC-Illinois in 2005 (16.0) — trailing only Duke-Butler in 2010 (16.0) and Duke-Wisconsin in ’15.

Duke or North Carolina have played in the four highest rated national championship games in the past 15 years.

Raleigh-Durham led all markets Monday night with a 33.8 overnight, followed by Greensboro, N.C. (31.7) and Charlotte (30.1). Seattle-Tacoma was the the top market outside of North Carolina with a 24.5, with Louisville rounding out the top five (23.5).
-- smw

WINNER'S BRACKET

(03-27-2017 01:26 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Of course, it's been a bad year for the ACC in the NCAA Tournament. Does anyone have the numbers over a longer period -- like 5 or 10 years?

North Carolina-Gonzaga earned a 13.2 final rating and 23.0 million viewers in Monday’s NCAA Tournament National Championship on CBS ...

The Tar Heels’ win, which peaked with 26.1 million viewers in the fast-nationals, ranks fifth out of the 15 national championship games since 2002 — behind Duke-Wisconsin in ’15 (16.0, 28.3M), Louisville-Michigan in 2013 (14.0, 23.4M), Duke-Butler in 2010 (14.2, 23.9M) and UNC-Illinois in 2005 (15.0, 23.9M).
-- smw

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