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(03-29-2017 02:42 PM)nole Wrote:  With the growing revenue gap of SEC/B1G, you are much more likely to see Texas (OU, and other power programs not in those conferences) to join those two conferences.

There will be a P2 and then mid majors. $$$$ gap is getting very real.

Why would Texas care if the SEC and B1G bring in more revenue than other conferences? They don't bring in more than Texas. If closing the gap with the Big XII were that important to the Horns, they could help out on their own. Instead, they choose to capitalize on their huge wealth advantage by continuing to dominate NCAA sports - especially in the big money sports like football and basketball.
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As appealing it sounds to have Texas join the ACC, it's hard to imagine a scenario that really works.
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(03-29-2017 07:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  As appealing it sounds to have Texas join the ACC, it's hard to imagine a scenario that really works.

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(03-29-2017 07:53 PM)green Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 07:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  As appealing it sounds to have Texas join the ACC, it's hard to imagine a scenario that really works.

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(03-29-2017 01:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 09:40 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 09:33 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 09:24 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 07:38 AM)XLance Wrote:  The Colts will never leave Baltimore...
The Cardinals will never leave St. Louis
Which city is it that the Rams play in again?

The Raiders will never leave Oakland for Los Angeles
The Raiders would never return to Oakland
The Raiders would never leave Oakland again for Las Vegas


When people start opening wallets, the word "never" seems to disappear.04-cheers

I don't think that the Cards will leave STL. I'm also pretty sure you meant the Rams, but I love delicious irony.

For those with short memories, the Cardinals did, indeed, leave St. Louis - for Arizona.

Wasn't that around the time that the Browns left Cleveland for Baltimore & became the Ravens?

Nah, the football Cardinals moved to Arizona in 1988. The Browns didn't become the Ravens until 1996.

Correct, which was the same time the Oilers moved to Tennessee to become the Titans. I saw the Oilers play the Browns in the Astrodome that year. You could have thrown a rock and not hit anyone.
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(03-29-2017 04:59 PM)omniorange Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 03:34 PM)green Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 02:42 PM)nole Wrote:  With the growing revenue gap of SEC/B1G, you are much more likely to see Texas join those two conferences.

in all likelihood Texas can keep the Longhorn Network and its revenue ($15 million per year for 20 years) by going to the ACC
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I believe this is the one thing many posters and some reporters say but don't realize that the likelihood of it happening is very remote, especially if the ACCN is a success without the state of Texas.

If Texas joins in full, the ACCN theoretically gets all of their conference sports. Imagine the outrage that would take place if by the time Texas joins, the ACCN already has the majority of subscribers in the state of Florida but then the ACC gives Texas all of the $$$ from Texas subscribers? Does anyone believe that will sit well with FSU and/or Miami?

It is possible I suppose the ACC could offer Texas more $$$ out of the ACCN pot than any other team based upon some type of payout system where percentage of state subscribers is taken into account. But then that opens up a different can of worms with the state of North Carolina and there being 4 teams from that state.

Now, if Texas joins with an ND type deal I could see their current LHN TV contract going away and being replaced by a football only deal open to other networks to bid on, similar to ND's NBC contract. That by itself will likely be higher than the current LHN deal.

However, in terms of the bottom line, will the Longhorns getting the same percentage of the ACCN as everyone else plus ND's percentage in terms of the basketball portion of the TV contract (which I think is 20% of the overall contract) plus that new football TV contract equal what they would get by remaining in the B12? Not to mention joining the SEC or B1G?

I honestly don't know the answer to that question. Just things to consider.

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Yeah ... there's no way Texas gets a "Notre Dame type deal" which allows them to keep the Longhorn Network, in competition with the ACC Network.

I think the only way that Texas to the ACC happens, is through ESPN, which is the owner of both of those networks.

Based on the speculation that ESPN is having troubles with channels like ESPN News and ESPN Classic, I can't imagine that they are making any money off the the Longhorn Network, which is even more niched than those other two.


In my opinion, the chances that Texas joins the ACC in any form, are slim, but ... I think that as long as there could be the possibility of Texas being available, it shuts the door on any potential Cincy or UConn addition to the league.
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(03-29-2017 09:35 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 07:09 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  Texas population is closer to 23 mil and yeah go ahead take the longhorns ... please, then Houston will take their place in the b12

I believe he was referring to households, not people.

The population of the state of Texas is about 27 million people.
Which would be about 7-10 million households.

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(03-29-2017 05:52 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 02:42 PM)nole Wrote:  With the growing revenue gap of SEC/B1G, you are much more likely to see Texas (OU, and other power programs not in those conferences) to join those two conferences.

There will be a P2 and then mid majors. $$$$ gap is getting very real.

Why would Texas care if the SEC and B1G bring in more revenue than other conferences? They don't bring in more than Texas. If closing the gap with the Big XII were that important to the Horns, they could help out on their own. Instead, they choose to capitalize on their huge wealth advantage by continuing to dominate NCAA sports - especially in the big money sports like football and basketball.

1. Because they can earn even more and no matter where they go in their minds they are still the biggest cow on the spread.

2. They need proximity for non revenue sports. Travel kills them on the East Coast and West Coast. If they could take essentially a new division of friends and neighbors with them they might consider one of the two coasts. But the ACC isn't really in position to accommodate that and the PAC has horrible viewing numbers which is why their mean is only 89 million per school. While Texas could help that the Big 12 mean in revenue is 13 million higher than that of the PAC and even their presence can't make up that gap.

3. They discussed independence and decided that having all of their sports in a conference is much more desirable from a scheduling standpoint provided the competition is not too remote.

4. They are having too many no shows at sporting events when they play less than brand name opponents. Like Oklahoma if they ever do move that is one issue they desire to address.

5. I don't see Texas in the ACC either as a full member or as an independent. The ACC needs a solid brand addition and Notre Dame all in to insure their markets and interest in the ACCN. So I wouldn't rule out an addition prior to 2019. If that addition were to come from the Big 12 then I could conceive that the SEC may work in concert with it. But since the chances are remote that the two conferences combined would add the 8 schools required for dissolution I see that likelihood as a very long shot.

There are worse things than Connecticut or Cincinnati should N.D. bite the bullet and go all in, but I don't see you taking both. UConn truly has the better athletic department from a revenue generated position. I could see the Big 12 letting W.V.U. out of the GOR so they could entertain expansion West with B.Y.U., Colorado State, and U.N.L.V. if Texas decides that all other options aren't in their self interest. I think the only reason they haven't expanded beyond 10 is because Texas wanted to keep all of its options open as did Oklahoma. So, I give expansion for the Big 12 the same very long shot status because if they were going to do it they would have gone after Louisville and Cincinnati when they took W.V.U. and they didn't. I think that's a tell.

So the ACC could very well add one and N.D. by 2019. We'll all wait on 2024 to see what the Big 12 does. That is when the pinata gets busted.

Conference Mean Revenue 2015-6:
SEC: $121 million
B1G: $108 million
B12: $102 million
PAC: $ 89 million
ACC: $ 87 million

Ever met a rich guy who didn't want more? Texas is no different!
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(03-29-2017 10:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 05:52 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 02:42 PM)nole Wrote:  With the growing revenue gap of SEC/B1G, you are much more likely to see Texas (OU, and other power programs not in those conferences) to join those two conferences.

There will be a P2 and then mid majors. $$$$ gap is getting very real.

Why would Texas care if the SEC and B1G bring in more revenue than other conferences? They don't bring in more than Texas. If closing the gap with the Big XII were that important to the Horns, they could help out on their own. Instead, they choose to capitalize on their huge wealth advantage by continuing to dominate NCAA sports - especially in the big money sports like football and basketball.

1. Because they can earn even more and no matter where they go in their minds they are still the biggest cow on the spread.

2. They need proximity for non revenue sports. Travel kills them on the East Coast and West Coast. If they could take essentially a new division of friends and neighbors with them they might consider one of the two coasts. But the ACC isn't really in position to accommodate that and the PAC has horrible viewing numbers which is why their mean is only 89 million per school. While Texas could help that the Big 12 mean in revenue is 13 million higher than that of the PAC and even their presence can't make up that gap.

3. They discussed independence and decided that having all of their sports in a conference is much more desirable from a scheduling standpoint provided the competition is not too remote.

4. They are having too many no shows at sporting events when they play less than brand name opponents. Like Oklahoma if they ever do move that is one issue they desire to address.

5. I don't see Texas in the ACC either as a full member or as an independent. The ACC needs a solid brand addition and Notre Dame all in to insure their markets and interest in the ACCN. So I wouldn't rule out an addition prior to 2019. If that addition were to come from the Big 12 then I could conceive that the SEC may work in concert with it. But since the chances are remote that the two conferences combined would add the 8 schools required for dissolution I see that likelihood as a very long shot.

There are worse things than Connecticut or Cincinnati should N.D. bite the bullet and go all in, but I don't see you taking both. UConn truly has the better athletic department from a revenue generated position. I could see the Big 12 letting W.V.U. out of the GOR so they could entertain expansion West with B.Y.U., Colorado State, and U.N.L.V. if Texas decides that all other options aren't in their self interest. I think the only reason they haven't expanded beyond 10 is because Texas wanted to keep all of its options open as did Oklahoma. So, I give expansion for the Big 12 the same very long shot status because if they were going to do it they would have gone after Louisville and Cincinnati when they took W.V.U. and they didn't. I think that's a tell.

So the ACC could very well add one and N.D. by 2019. We'll all wait on 2024 to see what the Big 12 does. That is when the pinata gets busted.

Conference Mean Revenue 2015-6:
SEC: $121 million
B1G: $108 million
B12: $102 million
PAC: $ 89 million
ACC: $ 87 million

Ever met a rich guy who didn't want more? Texas is no different!

Texas has money and access to more if they need it.
Don't forget this about the rich guy: what is the point of having more and more if you can't show it off in front of your friends?
Texas is not going to give up their relationships with their Texas friends to be able to play sports with any teams east of the Mississippi River.
Notre Dame is not joining a conference for football full time until the have to (which will be in 20 years), Texas will demand and get the same treatment.
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(03-29-2017 10:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 05:52 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 02:42 PM)nole Wrote:  With the growing revenue gap of SEC/B1G, you are much more likely to see Texas (OU, and other power programs not in those conferences) to join those two conferences.

There will be a P2 and then mid majors. $$$$ gap is getting very real.

Why would Texas care if the SEC and B1G bring in more revenue than other conferences? They don't bring in more than Texas. If closing the gap with the Big XII were that important to the Horns, they could help out on their own. Instead, they choose to capitalize on their huge wealth advantage by continuing to dominate NCAA sports - especially in the big money sports like football and basketball.

1. Because they can earn even more and no matter where they go in their minds they are still the biggest cow on the spread.

2. They need proximity for non revenue sports. Travel kills them on the East Coast and West Coast. If they could take essentially a new division of friends and neighbors with them they might consider one of the two coasts. But the ACC isn't really in position to accommodate that and the PAC has horrible viewing numbers which is why their mean is only 89 million per school. While Texas could help that the Big 12 mean in revenue is 13 million higher than that of the PAC and even their presence can't make up that gap.

3. They discussed independence and decided that having all of their sports in a conference is much more desirable from a scheduling standpoint provided the competition is not too remote.

4. They are having too many no shows at sporting events when they play less than brand name opponents. Like Oklahoma if they ever do move that is one issue they desire to address.

5. I don't see Texas in the ACC either as a full member or as an independent. The ACC needs a solid brand addition and Notre Dame all in to insure their markets and interest in the ACCN. So I wouldn't rule out an addition prior to 2019. If that addition were to come from the Big 12 then I could conceive that the SEC may work in concert with it. But since the chances are remote that the two conferences combined would add the 8 schools required for dissolution I see that likelihood as a very long shot.

There are worse things than Connecticut or Cincinnati should N.D. bite the bullet and go all in, but I don't see you taking both. UConn truly has the better athletic department from a revenue generated position. I could see the Big 12 letting W.V.U. out of the GOR so they could entertain expansion West with B.Y.U., Colorado State, and U.N.L.V. if Texas decides that all other options aren't in their self interest. I think the only reason they haven't expanded beyond 10 is because Texas wanted to keep all of its options open as did Oklahoma. So, I give expansion for the Big 12 the same very long shot status because if they were going to do it they would have gone after Louisville and Cincinnati when they took W.V.U. and they didn't. I think that's a tell.

So the ACC could very well add one and N.D. by 2019. We'll all wait on 2024 to see what the Big 12 does. That is when the pinata gets busted.

Conference Mean Revenue 2015-6:
SEC: $121 million
B1G: $108 million
B12: $102 million
PAC: $ 89 million
ACC: $ 87 million

Ever met a rich guy who didn't want more? Texas is no different!


I don't think that the ACC adds anyone for a very long time.
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(03-30-2017 07:29 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 10:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 05:52 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 02:42 PM)nole Wrote:  With the growing revenue gap of SEC/B1G, you are much more likely to see Texas (OU, and other power programs not in those conferences) to join those two conferences.

There will be a P2 and then mid majors. $$$$ gap is getting very real.

Why would Texas care if the SEC and B1G bring in more revenue than other conferences? They don't bring in more than Texas. If closing the gap with the Big XII were that important to the Horns, they could help out on their own. Instead, they choose to capitalize on their huge wealth advantage by continuing to dominate NCAA sports - especially in the big money sports like football and basketball.

1. Because they can earn even more and no matter where they go in their minds they are still the biggest cow on the spread.

2. They need proximity for non revenue sports. Travel kills them on the East Coast and West Coast. If they could take essentially a new division of friends and neighbors with them they might consider one of the two coasts. But the ACC isn't really in position to accommodate that and the PAC has horrible viewing numbers which is why their mean is only 89 million per school. While Texas could help that the Big 12 mean in revenue is 13 million higher than that of the PAC and even their presence can't make up that gap.

3. They discussed independence and decided that having all of their sports in a conference is much more desirable from a scheduling standpoint provided the competition is not too remote.

4. They are having too many no shows at sporting events when they play less than brand name opponents. Like Oklahoma if they ever do move that is one issue they desire to address.

5. I don't see Texas in the ACC either as a full member or as an independent. The ACC needs a solid brand addition and Notre Dame all in to insure their markets and interest in the ACCN. So I wouldn't rule out an addition prior to 2019. If that addition were to come from the Big 12 then I could conceive that the SEC may work in concert with it. But since the chances are remote that the two conferences combined would add the 8 schools required for dissolution I see that likelihood as a very long shot.

There are worse things than Connecticut or Cincinnati should N.D. bite the bullet and go all in, but I don't see you taking both. UConn truly has the better athletic department from a revenue generated position. I could see the Big 12 letting W.V.U. out of the GOR so they could entertain expansion West with B.Y.U., Colorado State, and U.N.L.V. if Texas decides that all other options aren't in their self interest. I think the only reason they haven't expanded beyond 10 is because Texas wanted to keep all of its options open as did Oklahoma. So, I give expansion for the Big 12 the same very long shot status because if they were going to do it they would have gone after Louisville and Cincinnati when they took W.V.U. and they didn't. I think that's a tell.

So the ACC could very well add one and N.D. by 2019. We'll all wait on 2024 to see what the Big 12 does. That is when the pinata gets busted.

Conference Mean Revenue 2015-6:
SEC: $121 million
B1G: $108 million
B12: $102 million
PAC: $ 89 million
ACC: $ 87 million

Ever met a rich guy who didn't want more? Texas is no different!

Texas has money and access to more if they need it.
Don't forget this about the rich guy: what is the point of having more and more if you can't show it off in front of your friends?
Texas is not going to give up their relationships with their Texas friends to be able to play sports with any teams east of the Mississippi River.
Notre Dame is not joining a conference for football full time until the have to (which will be in 20 years), Texas will demand and get the same treatment.



If then, which is a very open question at best.

Does your bolded admission mean that I have won our long standing bet?
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(03-29-2017 04:59 PM)omniorange Wrote:  ND's percentage in terms of the basketball portion of the TV contract (which I think is 20% of the overall contract)

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(03-29-2017 08:18 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  I think the only way that Texas to the ACC happens, is through ESPN, which is the owner of both of those networks.

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And with no Big 12 left to spend money on (in all likelihood), ESPN can probably help make the Longhorn Network palatable to the ACC by giving the ACC a break-the-bank television deal with Texas on board that will blow the ACC members away.
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(03-30-2017 09:15 AM)green Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 04:59 PM)omniorange Wrote:  ND's percentage in terms of the basketball portion of the TV contract (which I think is 20% of the overall contract)

Cheers,
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The ACC will keep its football revenue from ESPN, while Notre Dame retains its windfall from NBC.

For basketball, which accounts for about 20 percent of television monies, Notre Dame, as the 15th school, will receive one-fifteenth of ACC revenue.
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CLOSE BUT NO CIGAR

Should have worded that better at the beginning of the sentence you quoted. At the end I obviously meant that the basketball portion of the TV contract was overall 20%, not that ND's percentage of that portion was 20% since the entire post was dealing with how the ACC distributes it TV monies evenly and therefore would make allowing Texas keeping the LHN unlikely.

But again, I concede I worded the beginning the sentence poorly. Still, I find it interesting that you ignored my overall point and didn't give any thoughts of your own as to why the ACC would allow the LHN to continue on as is despite a rivals reporter saying it was likely it would.

Cheers,
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(03-30-2017 10:25 AM)green Wrote:  ...And with no Big 12 left to spend money on (in all likelihood), ESPN can probably help make the Longhorn Network palatable to the ACC by giving the ACC a break-the-bank television deal with Texas on board that will blow the ACC members away.
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(03-30-2017 09:15 AM)green Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 04:59 PM)omniorange Wrote:  ND's percentage in terms of the basketball portion of the TV contract (which I think is 20% of the overall contract)

Cheers,
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The ACC will keep its football revenue from ESPN, while Notre Dame retains its windfall from NBC.

For basketball, which accounts for about 20 percent of television monies, Notre Dame, as the 15th school, will receive one-fifteenth of ACC revenue.
-- David Teel

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Plus a full share (i.e. the same amount as Miami and others) of the ACC Network revenues.
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(03-30-2017 09:15 AM)green Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 04:59 PM)omniorange Wrote:  ND's percentage in terms of the basketball portion of the TV contract (which I think is 20% of the overall contract)

Cheers,
Neil

The ACC will keep its football revenue from ESPN, while Notre Dame retains its windfall from NBC.

For basketball, which accounts for about 20 percent of television monies, Notre Dame, as the 15th school, will receive one-fifteenth of ACC revenue.
-- David Teel

CLOSE BUT NO CIGAR


That is a weird quote by Teel.

The ACC will "keep" something called "revenue" but ND "retains" something called a "windfall".

A good synonym for both revenue and windfall would be "money" or "cash" or "legal tender".
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(03-30-2017 02:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 10:25 AM)green Wrote:  ...And with no Big 12 left to spend money on (in all likelihood), ESPN can probably help make the Longhorn Network palatable to the ACC by giving the ACC a break-the-bank television deal with Texas on board that will blow the ACC members away.
-- rivals posted on 9/13/2011 by Chip Brown

FIFY. That is based on Chip Brown's speculation almost 6 years ago!

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It's time for Texas fans and faithful to start getting their heads around a possible move to the ACC. It's by no means a done deal. But it's looking more and more like Option No. 1 for the Longhorns if the Big 12 falls apart.
-- rivals

hyperventilate much ...
nothing in the interim has altered that informed opinion ...

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RE: Rumor-UConn and Cincy to ACC in 2018?
(03-30-2017 08:01 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 07:29 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 10:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 05:52 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(03-29-2017 02:42 PM)nole Wrote:  With the growing revenue gap of SEC/B1G, you are much more likely to see Texas (OU, and other power programs not in those conferences) to join those two conferences.

There will be a P2 and then mid majors. $$$$ gap is getting very real.

Why would Texas care if the SEC and B1G bring in more revenue than other conferences? They don't bring in more than Texas. If closing the gap with the Big XII were that important to the Horns, they could help out on their own. Instead, they choose to capitalize on their huge wealth advantage by continuing to dominate NCAA sports - especially in the big money sports like football and basketball.

1. Because they can earn even more and no matter where they go in their minds they are still the biggest cow on the spread.

2. They need proximity for non revenue sports. Travel kills them on the East Coast and West Coast. If they could take essentially a new division of friends and neighbors with them they might consider one of the two coasts. But the ACC isn't really in position to accommodate that and the PAC has horrible viewing numbers which is why their mean is only 89 million per school. While Texas could help that the Big 12 mean in revenue is 13 million higher than that of the PAC and even their presence can't make up that gap.

3. They discussed independence and decided that having all of their sports in a conference is much more desirable from a scheduling standpoint provided the competition is not too remote.

4. They are having too many no shows at sporting events when they play less than brand name opponents. Like Oklahoma if they ever do move that is one issue they desire to address.

5. I don't see Texas in the ACC either as a full member or as an independent. The ACC needs a solid brand addition and Notre Dame all in to insure their markets and interest in the ACCN. So I wouldn't rule out an addition prior to 2019. If that addition were to come from the Big 12 then I could conceive that the SEC may work in concert with it. But since the chances are remote that the two conferences combined would add the 8 schools required for dissolution I see that likelihood as a very long shot.

There are worse things than Connecticut or Cincinnati should N.D. bite the bullet and go all in, but I don't see you taking both. UConn truly has the better athletic department from a revenue generated position. I could see the Big 12 letting W.V.U. out of the GOR so they could entertain expansion West with B.Y.U., Colorado State, and U.N.L.V. if Texas decides that all other options aren't in their self interest. I think the only reason they haven't expanded beyond 10 is because Texas wanted to keep all of its options open as did Oklahoma. So, I give expansion for the Big 12 the same very long shot status because if they were going to do it they would have gone after Louisville and Cincinnati when they took W.V.U. and they didn't. I think that's a tell.

So the ACC could very well add one and N.D. by 2019. We'll all wait on 2024 to see what the Big 12 does. That is when the pinata gets busted.

Conference Mean Revenue 2015-6:
SEC: $121 million
B1G: $108 million
B12: $102 million
PAC: $ 89 million
ACC: $ 87 million

Ever met a rich guy who didn't want more? Texas is no different!

Texas has money and access to more if they need it.
Don't forget this about the rich guy: what is the point of having more and more if you can't show it off in front of your friends?
Texas is not going to give up their relationships with their Texas friends to be able to play sports with any teams east of the Mississippi River.
Notre Dame is not joining a conference for football full time until the have to (which will be in 20 years), Texas will demand and get the same treatment.



If then, which is a very open question at best.

Does your bolded admission mean that I have won our long standing bet?

I'm not ready to concede, but you might work on getting thirsty.
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RE: Rumor-UConn and Cincy to ACC in 2018?
(03-30-2017 02:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-30-2017 10:25 AM)green Wrote:  ...And with no Big 12 left to spend money on (in all likelihood), ESPN can probably help make the Longhorn Network palatable to the ACC by giving the ACC a break-the-bank television deal with Texas on board that will blow the ACC members away.
-- rivals posted on 9/13/2011 by Chip Brown

FIFY. That is based on Chip Brown's speculation almost 6 years ago!

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Chip Brown? The Dude has as much journalistic integrity as that guy.
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