Pretty funny to see two Adidas schools playing with all the crap that just went down and is still shaking out. I don't buy it for one second that Miller didn't know what was going on and I also think Keatts was into the BS at Louisville up to his eyeballs. Two scumbags coaching,I just hate that both of them could not lose at the same time. Keatts recruited Bryce and sold him on Keatts twice and if the kid is all in-more power to him but don't think he was not in the loop with the deal the entire time. The South Carolina BS was just that,he was never going there.

(11-23-2017 10:55 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 10:54 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 10:51 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 10:47 AM)82hawk Wrote:  ere he is. He left UNCW in a great position, so it is on us to keep it going. No reason to burn any bridges.

Yeah, taking our best player and all conference first teamer is certainly "leaving us in "great" position" SMH

I certainly do appreciate his time here, i do not appreciate his parting shots.

I missed the "kidnapping" where our "best player" was forced to leave against his will.

Also, C.B was in the running for a coach the last time around too.

You have to be Naive to think Keatts wasn't in his ear. in my best Chris Carter voice, Come on man!

If he was, I think it was very limited. Keatts knows darn well he's going to be able to recruit kids far more talented than Bryce. IMO, if NC State is off to a very successful year (taking down #2 Arizona in their 5th game of the season) than that only bodes poorly for Bryce because Keatts is going to use that success to garner the nation's top talent. If they have a deep tourney run... Bryce is going to have a STEEP uphill climb to fight for playing time.

Personally, I wish them both success and I'm thankful for what they did at UNCW. I also feel bad for Bryce, because I believe he made a poor collegiate career choice in the long run. Hopefully through hard work he'll be able to prove me wrong though. After all, the scouting professionals didn't see D1 talent in Flemmings until he was lighting up the CAA as a junior transfer.

Ok, who hates Brownell for taking one of our best players and our top recruit with him?
Bottom line is it was Bryce's choice to leave. I personally think it was a mistake. But he did what he thought was best for him. Don't know who is in denial about it, but most players come for the coach, not the school. And Mullet, and whoever else, can believe Keatts was a part of the Louisville stuff. But no proof of such has surfaced. So, I will not slander a coach who came here and pulled our program from the depths of a 10 year hell. I refuse to be angry that Bryce went with Keatts. That's like hating State for Stealing Kevin from us.

One thing Cacok will be able to do down the road that Bryce will not, is bring his children back and point to his jersey hanging in the rafters. And at this point, Cacok has a better shot than Bryce at making it to the NBA. Without changing changing schools.

(11-23-2017 12:46 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  a coach who came here and pulled our program from the depths of a 10 year hell.

It's easy to quickly Forget just how far our program had fallen, and how long will it stayed down , prior to the Keatts years.

My sense is it the man can be pretty cold blooded when he feels like he needs to, but I think his tenure at UNCW served him well and served the school well.

(11-23-2017 12:46 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  Ok, who hates Brownell for taking one of our best players and our top recruit with him?
Bottom line is it was Bryce's choice to leave. I personally think it was a mistake. But he did what he thought was best for him. Don't know who is in denial about it, but most players come for the coach, not the school. And Mullet, and whoever else, can believe Keatts was a part of the Louisville stuff. But no proof of such has surfaced. So, I will not slander a coach who came here and pulled our program from the depths of a 10 year hell. I refuse to be angry that Bryce went with Keatts. That's like hating State for Stealing Kevin from us.

IMO it's apples to oranges. Taking a kid that the school has not invested in already, and taking a kid that the school has given free education and board to for two years. I do agree with mullet that Keatts was certainly behind recruiting C.J to state and the whole SC deal was just an attempt to save face.
I recognize i may be a minority on this board with this opinion, and i am fine with that. I appreciate all he did for this school and do not blame him for taking a significant raise for a bigger opportunity. That said, IMO he should have shown a bit more respect to the school that actually gave him his shot by leaving our players alone, and well, he didn't!

No, Brownell took a player who was already playing here and a recruit. One was already invested in. But no matter how you look at it. He took two players already committed to this program. And I am still not angry.

(11-23-2017 12:50 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  One thing Cacok will be able to do down the road that Bryce will not, is bring his children back and point to his jersey hanging in the rafters. And at this point, Cacok has a better shot than Bryce at making it to the NBA. Without changing changing schools.

Yep. We kept the better of the two that’s for sure. Bryce will be getting 20 minutes the next 2 years best case scenario in my opinion. I hope he gets more and if anyone could prove me wrong it’s him.

Bryce is a really good player so I'd advise not to underestimate him. As a UNCW fan, just be grateful that the new coach was able to get another good wing player (Estime) to replace him so late in the game.

(11-24-2017 09:06 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Bryce is a really good player so I'd advise not to underestimate him. As a UNCW fan, just be grateful that the new coach was able to get another good wing player (Estime) to replace him so late in the game.

I'm looking forward to see what this coaching crew comes up with during a full recruiting cycle, because you're right Bill, McGrath was stuck way behind the 8 ball coming in here losing ALL of our recruits, one of our best rising juniors, and four starters. Talk about an uphill climb in your inaugural coaching season. It doesn't get tougher than that too often.

(11-23-2017 04:38 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  No, Brownell took a player who was already playing here and a recruit. One was already invested in. But no matter how you look at it. He took two players already committed to this program. And I am still not angry.

If you are talking about Gardner,that is not even close to the same situation. He might have played in 5 games here and had no chance at being the player Bryce was when he stepped onto the floor at Trask. I get that you are above the fray here but at least make a fair comparison . Gardner basically just wanted to go home as soon as he could get there-he was lucky Brownell would take him. Duggins was a decent player but never played here. Not to mention that the situation with Brad and Keatts could not have more different.

(11-24-2017 10:42 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 04:38 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  No, Brownell took a player who was already playing here and a recruit. One was already invested in. But no matter how you look at it. He took two players already committed to this program. And I am still not angry.

If you are talking about Gardner,that is not even close to the same situation. He might have played in 5 games here and had no chance at being the player Bryce was when he stepped onto the floor at Trask. I get that you are above the fray here but at least make a fair comparison . Gardner basically just wanted to go home as soon as he could get there-he was lucky Brownell would take him. Duggins was a decent player but never played here. Not to mention that the situation with Brad and Keatts could not have more different.

True. Brownell was absolutely ran out of town, for no good reason but it happened.

(11-24-2017 10:45 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 10:42 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 04:38 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  No, Brownell took a player who was already playing here and a recruit. One was already invested in. But no matter how you look at it. He took two players already committed to this program. And I am still not angry.

If you are talking about Gardner,that is not even close to the same situation. He might have played in 5 games here and had no chance at being the player Bryce was when he stepped onto the floor at Trask. I get that you are above the fray here but at least make a fair comparison . Gardner basically just wanted to go home as soon as he could get there-he was lucky Brownell would take him. Duggins was a decent player but never played here. Not to mention that the situation with Brad and Keatts could not have more different.

True. Brownell was absolutely ran out of town, for no good reason but it happened.

Yeah everything about the brownell situation painted him in a positive light and brought to light the incompetence of our administrators at the time

(11-24-2017 02:46 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 10:45 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 10:42 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 04:38 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  No, Brownell took a player who was already playing here and a recruit. One was already invested in. But no matter how you look at it. He took two players already committed to this program. And I am still not angry.

If you are talking about Gardner,that is not even close to the same situation. He might have played in 5 games here and had no chance at being the player Bryce was when he stepped onto the floor at Trask. I get that you are above the fray here but at least make a fair comparison . Gardner basically just wanted to go home as soon as he could get there-he was lucky Brownell would take him. Duggins was a decent player but never played here. Not to mention that the situation with Brad and Keatts could not have more different.

True. Brownell was absolutely ran out of town, for no good reason but it happened.

Yeah everything about the brownell situation painted him in a positive light and brought to light the incompetence of our administrators at the time

Agree, and that’s 100% the reason why the two situations are apples to oranges

(11-24-2017 05:30 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:46 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 10:45 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 10:42 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 04:38 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  No, Brownell took a player who was already playing here and a recruit. One was already invested in. But no matter how you look at it. He took two players already committed to this program. And I am still not angry.

If you are talking about Gardner,that is not even close to the same situation. He might have played in 5 games here and had no chance at being the player Bryce was when he stepped onto the floor at Trask. I get that you are above the fray here but at least make a fair comparison . Gardner basically just wanted to go home as soon as he could get there-he was lucky Brownell would take him. Duggins was a decent player but never played here. Not to mention that the situation with Brad and Keatts could not have more different.

True. Brownell was absolutely ran out of town, for no good reason but it happened.

Yeah everything about the brownell situation painted him in a positive light and brought to light the incompetence of our administrators at the time

Agree, and that’s 100% the reason why the two situations are apples to oranges

What? C'mon man. You're not even making sense now. The point is Brownell also took an active player and recruit and nobody (including you) were mad about it. Nor should we have been. Same reason now. It sucks, sure, but it's not a reason to be all negative constantly. Gotta let it go and fight the battles we can win.

(11-24-2017 05:40 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 05:30 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:46 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 10:45 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 10:42 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  If you are talking about Gardner,that is not even close to the same situation. He might have played in 5 games here and had no chance at being the player Bryce was when he stepped onto the floor at Trask. I get that you are above the fray here but at least make a fair comparison . Gardner basically just wanted to go home as soon as he could get there-he was lucky Brownell would take him. Duggins was a decent player but never played here. Not to mention that the situation with Brad and Keatts could not have more different.

True. Brownell was absolutely ran out of town, for no good reason but it happened.

Yeah everything about the brownell situation painted him in a positive light and brought to light the incompetence of our administrators at the time

Agree, and that’s 100% the reason why the two situations are apples to oranges

What? C'mon man. You're not even making sense now. The point is Brownell also took an active player and recruit and nobody (including you) were mad about it. Nor should we have been. Same reason now. It sucks, sure, but it's not a reason to be all negative constantly. Gotta let it go and fight the battles we can win.

I’ll digress , especially since the mighty wolfpeckers took a dump yesterday haha

(11-24-2017 06:33 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 05:40 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 05:30 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 02:46 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 10:45 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  True. Brownell was absolutely ran out of town, for no good reason but it happened.

Yeah everything about the brownell situation painted him in a positive light and brought to light the incompetence of our administrators at the time

Agree, and that’s 100% the reason why the two situations are apples to oranges

What? C'mon man. You're not even making sense now. The point is Brownell also took an active player and recruit and nobody (including you) were mad about it. Nor should we have been. Same reason now. It sucks, sure, but it's not a reason to be all negative constantly. Gotta let it go and fight the battles we can win.

I’ll digress , especially since the mighty wolfpeckers took a dump yesterday haha

They lost to Tennessee today too. They're not exactly gaining any momentum from that upset over Arizona. Maybe Arizona was overrated? PAC12 usually are. I bet Arizona finishes somewhere in the 15-25 range.

(11-24-2017 10:42 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 04:38 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  No, Brownell took a player who was already playing here and a recruit. One was already invested in. But no matter how you look at it. He took two players already committed to this program. And I am still not angry.

If you are talking about Gardner,that is not even close to the same situation. He might have played in 5 games here and had no chance at being the player Bryce was when he stepped onto the floor at Trask. I get that you are above the fray here but at least make a fair comparison . Gardner basically just wanted to go home as soon as he could get there-he was lucky Brownell would take him. Duggins was a decent player but never played here. Not to mention that the situation with Brad and Keatts could not have more different.

It doesn't matter that the situation with the coaches was different. It's all about how the moves affected the program. Both moves hurt. But, in Keatts' case, the program is in better hands to regroup and stay strong. We can whine about losing a player or we pull our britches up and take care of what we have control over.

(11-24-2017 10:40 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 10:42 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 04:38 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  No, Brownell took a player who was already playing here and a recruit. One was already invested in. But no matter how you look at it. He took two players already committed to this program. And I am still not angry.

If you are talking about Gardner,that is not even close to the same situation. He might have played in 5 games here and had no chance at being the player Bryce was when he stepped onto the floor at Trask. I get that you are above the fray here but at least make a fair comparison . Gardner basically just wanted to go home as soon as he could get there-he was lucky Brownell would take him. Duggins was a decent player but never played here. Not to mention that the situation with Brad and Keatts could not have more different.

It doesn't matter that the situation with the coaches was different. It's all about how the moves affected the program. Both moves hurt. But, in Keatts' case, the program is in better hands to regroup and stay strong. We can whine about losing a player or we pull our britches up and take care of what we have control over.

Total crap,you are of course allowed to have your own opinion but the fact is Keatts pulled a BS move against the school that gave him a chance . I have zero respect for the guy and I am pulling for him to fail. You can go all PC if you want but I will go the other direction on this deal.

I enjoy reading both of your comments guys! Great stuff!!