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(03-17-2017 10:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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Good read from Pete Thamel, about the most plugged in guy around. I'd say go for it. What does either side have to lose? Plenty to gain.

“The gap is going to get bigger than smaller,” VCU athletic director Ed McLaughlin said. “You have to be on the right side of the divide when the big divide comes.”

Makes me think VCU would actually be interested in joining along with Wichita if we did go with a multi-team expansion.

That's a really intriguing and potentially telling statement. I've thought that VCU (and Dayton) would have low interest in joining the AAC. Perhaps VCU is more open to the idea of leaving the A10. I think that if VCU could be persuaded to join there is a good chance that Dayton wouldn't want to be left behind in a weakened A10.
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Unless there is some previously unknown, and extremely negative, "new" information about Wichita State, then they are clearly going to be invited to join. Hopefully the announcement will come in the next 3 months or so, but I admit the process could get pushed back 12 mos.
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(03-17-2017 01:03 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Unless there is some previously unknown, and extremely negative, "new" information about Wichita State, then they are clearly going to be invited to join. Hopefully the announcement will come in the next 3 months or so, but I admit the process could get pushed back 12 mos.

I agree that it sounds that way. I expect some sort of announcement after the tournament, this summer at the latest, that WSU will be joining the American in the Fall. Next Fall tops. Might not be the end of movement either.
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A challenge with A-10 will have the networks salivating....LOL.

Do people honestly even know the teams in the A-10 other than VCU, Dayton and Rhode Island (as they made the tourney for the first time in 20 years)? The top teams would be good opponents. The rest do nothing. And yes I know the AAC performance is similar to the A10.
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(03-17-2017 12:31 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
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(03-17-2017 10:28 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...n-athletic


Good read from Pete Thamel, about the most plugged in guy around. I'd say go for it. What does either side have to lose? Plenty to gain.

Ok, so I have a question, since I'm not the biggest basketball follower.

It says..."I just think there's a little bit of a movement, it seems, by the committee to squeeze out the non-Power Five." and "All signs point to Wichita moving up, for fear of being left out."

So...are the "Power Five" in basketball different than the Power Five in football? If not, are they moving up? Are there multiple tiers in basketball? The have to think that the Big East is one of the better conferences.

"While the Big East makes sense for basketball, league officials there have been adamant about not expanding. There would also be little interest on the television side because of the value of the Big East's contract with Fox"

This ^^^ here tells me tv networks are not interested in basketball only conferences anymore... Not enough content to distribute for tv viewers.

Football always drives the bus.

The problem is that TV doesn't appear particularly interested in G5 conferences either. Given how much the Big East makes per school, I'm not surprised Fox doesn't want to shell out almost $5 million a year for the third-most nationally relevant school in a state of less than 3 million people. Paying a non-football share in a G5 conference of a full share in a non-BE non-football conference is much more realistic.

I understand the low interest for G's but the AAC isn't your ordinary G conference this league has some pretty sexy solid names already in it, and is absolutely grossly underpaid. The AAC isn't with the P5 in terms of $$$ but isn't G either, more like the Independent Power league.

The NEWbigeast in the other hand, they got extremely lucky with their tv contract I must say... Heck, if the NEWbigeast goes to the open market again watch how Fox doesn't drop the ball again.
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(03-17-2017 01:08 PM)Bogg Wrote:  I expect some sort of announcement after the tournament, this summer at the latest, that WSU will be joining the American in the Fall.
I remember when it was announced that USF, VCU, and UNCC were joining the old Metro Conference back in 1991. The championship game (Duke beat Kansas) was on Monday night, then the Metro announcement was made on Wednesday morning. The changes took effect that next season. I think we could be looking at a very similar time-frame here with Wichita.

Quote:Might not be the end of movement either.
Agreed.
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(03-17-2017 12:29 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 12:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Stupid basketball season talk. Doesn't move the needle

Football is king

Right, that's why the Big East is making double what we are in TV money. Brands are king and the Big East is still a really good basketball brand.
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I don't want an A-10/AAC challenge or a mandatory scheduling alliance. I do think there are a lot of programs in their league that are beneficial to schedule, so I'm not against home-and-homes with their league -- just not mandatory ones.

That said, what I really want to do (and I know I've said it a thousand times) is poach their top two programs and shut the lid on any comparisons between our two leagues. We have to find a way to drag ourselves out of the 2nd/3rd tier of basketball conferences.
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I was just looking at Wichita's roster. It appears that their only 2 seniors are walk-ons -- both play less than 5 minutes per game. If we could get them in the AAC starting next season, it would be an immediate shot in the arm. They could be a top ten team next year.
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(03-17-2017 01:32 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 12:29 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 12:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Stupid basketball season talk. Doesn't move the needle

Football is king

Right, that's why the Big East is making double what we are in TV money. Brands are king and the Big East is still a really good basketball brand.


Which is why I was against selling the name. There was long term value there,
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(03-17-2017 01:14 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 12:31 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 12:04 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 11:09 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 10:28 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...n-athletic


Good read from Pete Thamel, about the most plugged in guy around. I'd say go for it. What does either side have to lose? Plenty to gain.

Ok, so I have a question, since I'm not the biggest basketball follower.

It says..."I just think there's a little bit of a movement, it seems, by the committee to squeeze out the non-Power Five." and "All signs point to Wichita moving up, for fear of being left out."

So...are the "Power Five" in basketball different than the Power Five in football? If not, are they moving up? Are there multiple tiers in basketball? The have to think that the Big East is one of the better conferences.

"While the Big East makes sense for basketball, league officials there have been adamant about not expanding. There would also be little interest on the television side because of the value of the Big East's contract with Fox"

This ^^^ here tells me tv networks are not interested in basketball only conferences anymore... Not enough content to distribute for tv viewers.

Football always drives the bus.

The problem is that TV doesn't appear particularly interested in G5 conferences either. Given how much the Big East makes per school, I'm not surprised Fox doesn't want to shell out almost $5 million a year for the third-most nationally relevant school in a state of less than 3 million people. Paying a non-football share in a G5 conference of a full share in a non-BE non-football conference is much more realistic.

I understand the low interest for G's but the AAC isn't your ordinary G conference this league has some pretty sexy solid names already in it, and is absolutely grossly underpaid. The AAC isn't with the P5 in terms of $$$ but isn't G either, more like the Independent Power league.

The NEWbigeast in the other hand, they got extremely lucky with their tv contract I must say... Heck, if the NEWbigeast goes to the open market again watch how Fox doesn't drop the ball again.

I mean, you throw around the idea of an "Independent Power" league if you want, but one conference gets paid like a P5 and one doesn't. Being added to the AAC as a non-football member and being added to the Big East are dramatically different in terms of revenue layout. If you don't play football, being added to the Big East is functionally the same as being added as a non-football member of a P5 conference.
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(03-17-2017 01:48 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 01:32 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 12:29 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 12:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Stupid basketball season talk. Doesn't move the needle

Football is king

Right, that's why the Big East is making double what we are in TV money. Brands are king and the Big East is still a really good basketball brand.


Which is why I was against selling the name. There was long term value there,

There wasn't with the teams left in the AAC. The Big East name would have continued to be ridiculed in football and can you imagine on ESPN whatever tonight, Big East basketball with some of the teams in this conference?

While the lions share of selling the name and exit fees go to Cincy, UCONN and USF, the other teams are receiving an additional payout from that sale until the next TV contract kicks in (hopefully). We need any additional money we can get.
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(03-17-2017 01:50 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 01:14 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 12:31 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 12:04 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 11:09 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Ok, so I have a question, since I'm not the biggest basketball follower.

It says..."I just think there's a little bit of a movement, it seems, by the committee to squeeze out the non-Power Five." and "All signs point to Wichita moving up, for fear of being left out."

So...are the "Power Five" in basketball different than the Power Five in football? If not, are they moving up? Are there multiple tiers in basketball? The have to think that the Big East is one of the better conferences.

"While the Big East makes sense for basketball, league officials there have been adamant about not expanding. There would also be little interest on the television side because of the value of the Big East's contract with Fox"

This ^^^ here tells me tv networks are not interested in basketball only conferences anymore... Not enough content to distribute for tv viewers.

Football always drives the bus.

The problem is that TV doesn't appear particularly interested in G5 conferences either. Given how much the Big East makes per school, I'm not surprised Fox doesn't want to shell out almost $5 million a year for the third-most nationally relevant school in a state of less than 3 million people. Paying a non-football share in a G5 conference of a full share in a non-BE non-football conference is much more realistic.

I understand the low interest for G's but the AAC isn't your ordinary G conference this league has some pretty sexy solid names already in it, and is absolutely grossly underpaid. The AAC isn't with the P5 in terms of $$$ but isn't G either, more like the Independent Power league.

The NEWbigeast in the other hand, they got extremely lucky with their tv contract I must say... Heck, if the NEWbigeast goes to the open market again watch how Fox doesn't drop the ball again.

I mean, you throw around the idea of an "Independent Power" league if you want, but one conference gets paid like a P5 and one doesn't. Being added to the AAC as a non-football member and being added to the Big East are dramatically different in terms of revenue layout. If you don't play football, being added to the Big East is functionally the same as being added as a non-football member of a P5 conference.

Contract money aside (which, I agree, is difficult), there is something to be said for being in a conference with multiple bids. That does equate to more loot.

See units thread http://csnbbs.com/thread-812547.html

Not Big East loot, but more loot. As a basketball school, we can safely assume that they would take a Big East invite over ours, so that isn't up for debate.
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(03-17-2017 01:57 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 01:50 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 01:14 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 12:31 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 12:04 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  "While the Big East makes sense for basketball, league officials there have been adamant about not expanding. There would also be little interest on the television side because of the value of the Big East's contract with Fox"

This ^^^ here tells me tv networks are not interested in basketball only conferences anymore... Not enough content to distribute for tv viewers.

Football always drives the bus.

The problem is that TV doesn't appear particularly interested in G5 conferences either. Given how much the Big East makes per school, I'm not surprised Fox doesn't want to shell out almost $5 million a year for the third-most nationally relevant school in a state of less than 3 million people. Paying a non-football share in a G5 conference of a full share in a non-BE non-football conference is much more realistic.

I understand the low interest for G's but the AAC isn't your ordinary G conference this league has some pretty sexy solid names already in it, and is absolutely grossly underpaid. The AAC isn't with the P5 in terms of $$$ but isn't G either, more like the Independent Power league.

The NEWbigeast in the other hand, they got extremely lucky with their tv contract I must say... Heck, if the NEWbigeast goes to the open market again watch how Fox doesn't drop the ball again.

I mean, you throw around the idea of an "Independent Power" league if you want, but one conference gets paid like a P5 and one doesn't. Being added to the AAC as a non-football member and being added to the Big East are dramatically different in terms of revenue layout. If you don't play football, being added to the Big East is functionally the same as being added as a non-football member of a P5 conference.

Contract money aside (which, I agree, is difficult), there is something to be said for being in a conference with multiple bids. That does equate to more loot.

See units thread http://csnbbs.com/thread-812547.html

Not Big East loot, but more loot. As a basketball school, we can safely assume that they would take a Big East invite over ours, so that isn't up for debate.

I assume we're talking strictly AAC vs. MVC here, as the BE does well on bids. If that's the case, I agree - Wichita would jump at an AAC invite if it was extended and I didn't mean to infer otherwise.
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(03-17-2017 01:56 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 01:48 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 01:32 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 12:29 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 12:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Stupid basketball season talk. Doesn't move the needle

Football is king

Right, that's why the Big East is making double what we are in TV money. Brands are king and the Big East is still a really good basketball brand.


Which is why I was against selling the name. There was long term value there,

There wasn't with the teams left in the AAC. The Big East name would have continued to be ridiculed in football and can you imagine on ESPN whatever tonight, Big East basketball with some of the teams in this conference?

While the lions share of selling the name and exit fees go to Cincy, UCONN and USF, the other teams are receiving an additional payout from that sale until the next TV contract kicks in (hopefully). We need any additional money we can get.

The Big East name was ridiculed in football because many felt it was undeserving of an AQ bid. As a G5, it would have been no more ridiculed than the American. The difference is people would have recognized the name and would know the "brand". It also would have been very helpful for developing basketball.

Frankly, if the brand had no value, the C7 wouldn't have paid $100 million for it The money from that sale will be gone next year and we have nothing to show for it. On the other hand Big East brand name will continue to pay dividends for the C7 for years into the future.

It was a foolishly short term move by administrators who gambled they would only be here a 3 or 4 years. Now we are stuck with that decision and a CUSA sounding clone name for the foreseeable future. I might would have felt differently if we had poured that money into something that would have changed the conference perception (like investing enough in the Miami Beach Bowl pay out to get it included in the same pool as the Liberty/Gator/Belk/Texas bowls). But, we didn't do that. The conference blew that decision, just like they blew the western expansion.
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Here in Big Ten country, you wouldn't believe how many times this comes up during conversation: "Cincinnati is in the Big East, right?" "What conference is UC in?" "What is the AAC?" "Oh, you guys are in the ACC now?"
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(03-17-2017 02:08 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 01:57 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 01:50 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 01:14 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(03-17-2017 12:31 PM)Bogg Wrote:  The problem is that TV doesn't appear particularly interested in G5 conferences either. Given how much the Big East makes per school, I'm not surprised Fox doesn't want to shell out almost $5 million a year for the third-most nationally relevant school in a state of less than 3 million people. Paying a non-football share in a G5 conference of a full share in a non-BE non-football conference is much more realistic.

I understand the low interest for G's but the AAC isn't your ordinary G conference this league has some pretty sexy solid names already in it, and is absolutely grossly underpaid. The AAC isn't with the P5 in terms of $$$ but isn't G either, more like the Independent Power league.

The NEWbigeast in the other hand, they got extremely lucky with their tv contract I must say... Heck, if the NEWbigeast goes to the open market again watch how Fox doesn't drop the ball again.

I mean, you throw around the idea of an "Independent Power" league if you want, but one conference gets paid like a P5 and one doesn't. Being added to the AAC as a non-football member and being added to the Big East are dramatically different in terms of revenue layout. If you don't play football, being added to the Big East is functionally the same as being added as a non-football member of a P5 conference.

Contract money aside (which, I agree, is difficult), there is something to be said for being in a conference with multiple bids. That does equate to more loot.

See units thread http://csnbbs.com/thread-812547.html

Not Big East loot, but more loot. As a basketball school, we can safely assume that they would take a Big East invite over ours, so that isn't up for debate.

I assume we're talking strictly AAC vs. MVC here, as the BE does well on bids. If that's the case, I agree - Wichita would jump at an AAC invite if it was extended and I didn't mean to infer otherwise.

Yeah I mean the question to Wichita would be AAC or stay put. If BE gets involved, we're no longer in the discussion.
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Good read from Pete Thamel, about the most plugged in guy around. I'd say go for it. What does either side have to lose? Plenty to gain.

To lose? Nothing. Plenty to gain? Nope, also nothing.
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Good read from Pete Thamel, about the most plugged in guy around. I'd say go for it. What does either side have to lose? Plenty to gain.

Ok, so I have a question, since I'm not the biggest basketball follower.

It says..."I just think there's a little bit of a movement, it seems, by the committee to squeeze out the non-Power Five." and "All signs point to Wichita moving up, for fear of being left out."

So...are the "Power Five" in basketball different than the Power Five in football? If not, are they moving up? Are there multiple tiers in basketball? The have to think that the Big East is one of the better conferences.

"While the Big East makes sense for basketball, league officials there have been adamant about not expanding. There would also be little interest on the television side because of the value of the Big East's contract with Fox"

This ^^^ here tells me tv networks are not interested in basketball only conferences anymore... Not enough content to distribute for tv viewers.

Football always drives the bus.

Well, if you listen to the "Add Wichita St. yesterday" crowd, you'd think basketball and not football drove the bus. I've been telling these people for weeks that they're delusional. Their response is to double down on the delusion, at the same time mocking and ridiculing me.
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(03-17-2017 12:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Stupid basketball season talk. Doesn't move the needle

Not according to the "Add Wichita St yesterday" crowd.
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