(03-16-2017 03:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 03:32 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 03:23 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 03:05 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 02:53 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  So how many slaves were regularly living in the north vs. the south?

Who cares... unlike you and other race baiters, I see the ancient, historic practice of slavery as an inefficient method of securing labor for your business.

LOL, what did I ever say that was race-baiting?

How about the beginning of our back and forth? Your typical leftist meme of "the evil south who hates the blacks",you know darn well that was your intent.

No, you read too much into it. The discussion was about slavery (ok, I diverted the topic a bit there), and as we know there were lots of slaves in ancient times, many of them not black. I was just pointing out that the bible would have been a good place to remark that treating other people like cattle is not good. Doesn't matter who is enslaving whom. The U.S. would just be a more recent example, and there were lots of people who considered themselves Christian who thought slavery was just fine. Even if things were different in biblical times, I would argue that they weren't that different 150 years ago. God could have said something.

No problems man. I just picked up on that one southern insert that I see too often. (I am not even southern!) It bothers me. We need to see slavery as it is: long ago, ancient history and not smart business.

Do you know where this thread went awry? When we get Liberal Atheists telling us what the Bible says.

(03-16-2017 03:52 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Do you know where this thread went awry? When we get Liberal Atheists telling us what the Bible says.

Many of them know what it says. Because they grew up going to church, CCD classes, etc.

(03-16-2017 03:55 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 03:52 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Do you know where this thread went awry? When we get Liberal Atheists telling us what the Bible says.

Many of them know what it says. Because they grew up going to church, CCD classes, etc.

You don't know that. You're speculating.

(03-16-2017 03:58 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 03:55 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 03:52 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Do you know where this thread went awry? When we get Liberal Atheists telling us what the Bible says.

Many of them know what it says. Because they grew up going to church, CCD classes, etc.

You don't know that. You're speculating.

Well, I'm one of them, and I know others. I won't claim to know the bible that well though. I do remember reading the parables in church because I was bored with all the repetitive ceremonies.

(03-16-2017 03:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  No, you read too much into it. The discussion was about slavery (ok, I diverted the topic a bit there), and as we know there were lots of slaves in ancient times, many of them not black. I was just pointing out that the bible would have been a good place to remark that treating other people like cattle is not good. Doesn't matter who is enslaving whom. The U.S. would just be a more recent example, and there were lots of people who considered themselves Christian who thought slavery was just fine. Even if things were different in biblical times, I would argue that they weren't that different 150 years ago. God could have said something.

Problem is you really didn't fully know what the bible said concerning slavery or understand context of slavery and the bible and the ancient world.

Very specific laws were laid down cornering slavery in Hebrew laws, and they were thousands of years ahead of the rest of the world concerning slavery and other human rights.

Hebrew slaves were NOT to be kept as cattle but treated as family by their owners and eventually released after certain periods. That is a DRAMATIC difference in the rest of the world's approach 3000 years ago.

None of this even matters in the context of modern day times and the NT. The NT does not speak on civil laws or government. You could make a list a mile long of governmental laws and rights the NT never touches on at all. The NT is about ls about salvation and overcoming a wicked and lost world that you will not be able to repair or reform. Only Christ will at His return.

(03-16-2017 03:52 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Do you know where this thread went awry? When we get Liberal Atheists telling us what the Bible says.

careful now....

not all of us are blanket faith 'tossers'

(03-16-2017 04:01 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 03:44 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  No, you read too much into it. The discussion was about slavery (ok, I diverted the topic a bit there), and as we know there were lots of slaves in ancient times, many of them not black. I was just pointing out that the bible would have been a good place to remark that treating other people like cattle is not good. Doesn't matter who is enslaving whom. The U.S. would just be a more recent example, and there were lots of people who considered themselves Christian who thought slavery was just fine. Even if things were different in biblical times, I would argue that they weren't that different 150 years ago. God could have said something.

Problem is you really didn't fully know what the bible said concerning slavery or understand context of slavery and the bible and the ancient world.

Very specific laws were laid down cornering slavery in Hebrew laws, and they were thousands of years ahead of the rest of the world concerning slavery and other human rights.

Hebrew slaves were NOT to be kept as cattle but treated as family by their owners and eventually released after certain periods.

None of this even matters in the context of modern day times and the NT. The NT does not speak on civil laws or government. You could make a list a mile long of governmental laws and right the NT never touches on at all. The NT is about ls about salvation and overcoming a wicked and lost world that you will not be able to repair or reform. Only Christ will at His return.

Yea I was speaking more of the concept of God than the bible itself in this case. The slavery that existed in the U.S. was nothing like what you describe from biblical times. Same with many other countries. The point is that there didn't seem to be any direction from religion indicating that treating people like cattle was wrong - and I'm talking 150 years ago, not 2000 years ago.

Most of the sermons I heard were on the NT and I agree, they don't talk much about political stuff.

(03-16-2017 04:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Yea I was speaking more of the concept of God than the bible itself in this case. The slavery that existed in the U.S. was nothing like what you describe from biblical times. Same with many other countries. The point is that there didn't seem to be any direction from religion indicating that treating people like cattle was wrong - and I'm talking 150 years ago, not 2000 years ago.

Most of the sermons I heard were on the NT and I agree, they don't talk much about political stuff.

Its because the focus is on your salvation.

Its understood the NT that Christians are living in a lost, wicked and fallen world that will only wax worse and worse until the 2nd coming.

That why we are told to be "overcome". To overcome the world until He returns. Government, societies, cultures will all set up against you in multiple ways at different levels.

There will be no slavery every again for all eternity following the 2nd coming.

That's how much God endorses slavery, He is putting a stop to it FOREVER.

(03-16-2017 04:20 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There will be no slavery every again for all eternity following the 2nd coming.

That's how much God endorses slavery, He is putting a stop to it FOREVER.

But until then, some slavery is OK?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery

(03-16-2017 04:29 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 04:20 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There will be no slavery every again for all eternity following the 2nd coming.

That's how much God endorses slavery, He is putting a stop to it FOREVER.

But until then, some slavery is OK?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery

Almost everything man is doing today is wrong. Does that mean its ok?

Nope.

He's putting a stop to ALL of it.

(03-16-2017 04:32 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  He' putting a stop to ALL of it.

But until that unknown time some people just get the short end of the stick.

Got it. Carry on!

(03-16-2017 04:29 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 04:20 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There will be no slavery every again for all eternity following the 2nd coming.

That's how much God endorses slavery, He is putting a stop to it FOREVER.

But until then, some slavery is OK?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_slavery

And of all those nations in that piece none are considered Christian nations.

And yes I know that there was indentured servitude even as late as the 1700s. Those were people that wanted something in return for their promise to provide labor. And no, the company store does not apply even if it seemed like it.

What some of you are missing is that God is approaching this from the BIG picture.

You are slave now, and no man made law can free you from your bondage of sin and death.

Only Christ can free you from your bondage.

(03-16-2017 04:36 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  And of all those nations in that piece none are considered Christian nations.

Are there not Christians in those nations? And since when did Christianity (or any religion) ever stop at a border?

Listen, I'm not going to pretend I understand what motivates the faithful. But I hope you understand the dichotomy between the fact that there are currently upwards of 20 million men, women and children being held as human chattel across the planet and "but don't worry, there won't be any slaves after the second coming"

(03-16-2017 04:39 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Only Christ can free you from your bondage.

But not the actual rusty chains around your legs.

(03-16-2017 04:41 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Are there not Christians in those nations? And since when did Christianity (or any religion) ever stop at a border?

Listen, I'm not going to pretend I understand what motivates the faithful. But I hope you understand the dichotomy between the fact that there are currently upwards of 20 million men, women and children being held as human chattel across the planet and "but don't worry, there won't be any slaves after the second coming"

(03-16-2017 04:41 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  But not the actual rusty chains around your legs.

(03-16-2017 04:34 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  But until that unknown time some people just get the short end of the stick.

Got it. Carry on!

Totally absurd.

The NT strictly forbids all sorts of sins like murder, theft, lying, adultery, etc,etc,etc and men still choose to do these things every single day. The whole world is totally corrupt and does not care that the bible condones it.

God is concerned about your slavery to sin and death. He offers you freedom form the bondage of death.

(03-16-2017 04:20 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There will be no slavery every again for all eternity following the 2nd coming.

That's how much God endorses slavery, He is putting a stop to it FOREVER.

you're a slave and don't know it....the masses only exist in another form of serfdom....

btw, where is his face? oh yeah, it's that faith thingy that gets shoved down ze throat.....

really dude????....your shtick has soured in the current age of techno....what's sad is you know it...

having said all that, enjoy.....it is your right of faith....

(03-16-2017 04:47 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  God is concerned about your slavery to sin and death. He offers you freedom form the bondage of death.

This is of little consolation to those men, women and children that are, you know, in actual physical bondage.

But I do see your point about how man himself is a pretty nasty all around dude.

(03-16-2017 05:21 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 04:47 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  God is concerned about your slavery to sin and death. He offers you freedom form the bondage of death.

This is of little consolation to those men, women and children that are, you know, in actual physical bondage.

But I do see your point about how man himself is a pretty nasty all around dude.

Of course, God made us that way. He didn't have to, but he did.