Minneapolis and St. Paul should be given all the rope needed to hang themselves. And considering the upcoming Mayoral election and the odd-ball candidates for Park Board put forth, they may not actually need any rope as they may just eat each other first.

So I'm not sure why some part-time Outstate legislator needs to intervene in the inevitable. People move out of an area because they don't like the look of it and then begin to immediately begin to want to turn the old place it into the place you left for, and then scratch your head why the people who lived there long before you have an issue with you?

Thankfully, liberalism no longer possesses the moral authority nor the votes to control MN politics outside of the Cites and the Range. Sixty years of lock-step Democrat domination, fiscal profligacy and politicized social policy have sent a fair chunk of voting Sotans scampering for the ‘burbs.

Isn't Tim Kaine a carpetbagger from MN?

(03-13-2017 11:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Yep, it's crap like that that helped get Trump elected.

The implication of this is that bigots voted for the only person who lied to them, telling them they weren't bigots but that they were actually correct, because they were tired for being called out as bigots.

If so, then the country is doomed, and rightfully so. My only hope is that NY, Minn, the west coast, and maybe a few others can join up with Canada, in that case.

(03-13-2017 11:04 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  And most states CAN do that. So what's the problem?

Just that they should choose not to, when it's not doing any harm to any other cities.

(03-13-2017 11:06 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Thankfully, liberalism no longer possesses the moral authority nor the votes to control MN politics outside of the Cites and the Range. Sixty years of lock-step Democrat domination, fiscal profligacy and politicized social policy have sent a fair chunk of voting Sotans scampering for the ‘burbs.

Have the burbs. I couldn't think of a worse to live than amongst the homogeneous McMansions of Maple Grove, Eden Prairie, Woodbury, etc.

Have St Cloud, the redneck capital of Minnesota.

Have all the rest of the flat, farmland that looks like South Dakota anyway.


The cities and Duluth, to get away now and then. And not sure about Rochester ... it's too bad Mayo couldn't have been by the U. But it is what it is.

(03-13-2017 11:17 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Yep, it's crap like that that helped get Trump elected.

The implication of this is that bigots voted for the only person who lied to them, telling them they weren't bigots but that they were actually correct, because they were tired for being called out as bigots.

Correct, and yet Hillary and her bigots still lost. They lost because:

1. The bigoted litburds couldnt get enough votes from Hispanics, or, as the bigoted libturds referred to them as, the "taco bowl".

2. The bigoted libturds lost votes from the "good gays", as the bigoted libturds called them.

3. The bigoted libturds lost a lot of votes from african americans who want to better themselves and their families, otherwise referred to by the bigoted libturds as "Uncle Toms".

4. The bigoted libturds lost a majority of women, otherwise known by the bigoted libturds as"c*nts".

5. The bigoted libturds lost many votes from people who want to make america great again, otherwise known by the bigoted libturds as deplorables.

Now, stare at that list. Libturds lost this election because they have no ideas, they have run the country into the ground, they dont know how to create and keep jobs, and they are bigots.

(03-13-2017 11:06 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Minneapolis and St. Paul should be given all the rope needed to hang themselves. And considering the upcoming Mayoral election and the odd-ball candidates for Park Board put forth, they may not actually need any rope as they may just eat each other first.

So I'm not sure why some part-time Outstate legislator needs to intervene in the inevitable. People move out of an area because they don't like the look of it and then begin to immediately begin to want to turn the old place it into the place you left for, and then scratch your head why the people who lived there long before you have an issue with you?

Thankfully, liberalism no longer possesses the moral authority nor the votes to control MN politics outside of the Cites and the Range. Sixty years of lock-step Democrat domination, fiscal profligacy and politicized social policy have sent a fair chunk of voting Sotans scampering for the ‘burbs.

Well Minneapolis and St. Paul are the economic drivers for the state. If they collapse, it hurts the whole state.

In particular, things like the minimum wage can hurt the whole state's economy. On the other hand, I don't see how plastic bags meets the level that requires state intervention.

(03-13-2017 10:46 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  There you go, even conservatives think its government overreach.

Not every bad idea is bad because "it's over reach"... I think on things like a minium wage it's a good idea to get the state involved on a local decision..

Can I ask now why you, a federal authoritarian, think the state should not be involved?

Quote:And yes, the suburbs are the new conservative hotbeds.

You and I have a different definition of Bumpkin, so it seems. The dictionary defines Bumpkin as "an unsophisticated or socially awkward person from the countryside."

None of those are, in and of themselves, charasteritics of a particular political ideology and it's a stretch to call Maplewood "The countryside".

Quote:Basically, the place where people who wish they could live a rural lifestyle, but who know they have to live close to the city for work, go to live nowadays.

Actually most people live in the burbs not because they desire the country side but because that want an urnab(ish) life but without the **** schools and crime problems.

When I worked in Bloomington my commute from apple valley was about the same in terms of time as my buddy down in elko-new market. He could get to 35 in about 5 minutes and then had 20 minutes of time on the 35. It took me 15 minutes to get to 35 because of all the signals here and then another 10 on the highway.

He wanted rural, I did not. But I also wanted to keep my kids out of a crap school district.

You either don't know people in the burbs with kids. Or you do, and you're purposefully misrepresenting them to troll.

Quote:Milk the city of opportunity, while paying little back into the system in their suburban/exurban shelters.

In 15 years of living here I worked in STP or MPLS for five of them. The rest has been in the burbs. So I'm not "milking the cities" for anything.

Quote:Hence why I'd like to see outer portions of Hennepin, Anoka, Dakota, Ramsey, and Washington counties be forced to apply a tax to the residences living there that feeds back into the inner, poorer cities in each county.

And all that will do is push them a bit further out... unintended consequences are a ***** some times.

(03-13-2017 11:06 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Minneapolis and St. Paul should be given all the rope needed to hang themselves. And considering the upcoming Mayoral election and the odd-ball candidates for Park Board put forth, they may not actually need any rope as they may just eat each other first.

Oh gosh yes... The upcoming mayoral race in MPLS is a virtual clown show. It's going to be very fun to watch (because I don't live there)

(03-13-2017 11:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  Well Minneapolis and St. Paul are the economic drivers for the state. If they collapse, it hurts the whole state.

Not so much as they used to be... A lot of the Bigger employers are in those first outer ring burbs where people want to live.

I don't want them to collapse, but id rather have them fail on their small scale than not have the ability and see them try to wreck the whole state.

If you're a major company in the state, and you want to actually be located in Mpls or St Paul ... your only real option is to buy office space downtown. For some of those companies, that just doesn't work (can't mfg in an office tower), for others, they want cheaper land/real estate.

The actual cities of Mpls and St Paul are fairly small, relative to their metro areas. Not quite San Fran small, but small nonetheless. And pretty much built out.


Now that Target is leaving downtown Mpls, I can't think off any Minnesota based companies that are in either downtown, that are in the top 20ish. Maybe Ecolab in St Paul?

Wells Fargo has big offices in downtown Mpls, now. But obviously is (no longer) a Minn company. (WF bought Norwest Bank, which was huge like US Bank, in the 1990's). Otherwise, I think it's a lot of law firms, accounting, marketing, etc., that type of stuff downtown.

In terms of economic impact, including employment, the U of Minn is located in the cities, but obviously isn't a company in that sense.

(03-13-2017 11:17 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Yep, it's crap like that that helped get Trump elected.

The implication of this is that bigots voted for the only person who lied to them,

And yet, after knowing this type of stuff is what got Trump elected you continue. Some folks will never learn. All politicians lie.

(03-13-2017 11:46 AM)VA49er Wrote:  after knowing this type of stuff is what got Trump elected you continue

We're just supposed to give up???

F that.

The plastic bag rules are stupid for the State Legislators to get involved in. If Minneapolis & St Paul want to play environmentalist, go ahead and ban the plastic. However, I do believe that minimum wage laws and benefits requirements are a state issue - and if the State Representatives want to wade into those waters, appropriate.

(03-13-2017 11:47 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:46 AM)VA49er Wrote:  after knowing this type of stuff is what got Trump elected you continue

We're just supposed to give up???

F that.

Not at all. Just realize you are being EXACTLY as you describe others as being just for a different desired outcome. As long as you are OK with that, continue to fight your fight.

(03-13-2017 11:47 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:46 AM)VA49er Wrote:  after knowing this type of stuff is what got Trump elected you continue

We're just supposed to give up???

F that.

You're supposed to realize that listening to people rather than yelling bigot is not the way to go... When someone says "I'm not voting for hillry because she is saying everything in the economy is fine, and for my small town that's not true", then you don't yell, why do you hate Muslims and women....

You maybe tell Hillary to take a look at the issues affecting Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and PA...

(03-13-2017 11:50 AM)Crebman Wrote:  The plastic bag rules are stupid for the State Legislators to get involved in. If Minneapolis & St Paul want to play environmentalist, go ahead and ban the plastic. However, I do believe that minimum wage laws and benefits requirements are a state issue - and if the State Representatives want to wade into those waters, appropriate.

At least this is somewhat reasonable stance.

But I don't believe there is any precedent for a state preventing a local government from increasing the minimum wage in the local area above the state minimum wage.

It would make sense if they were trying to illegally circumvent the state minimum wage to suppress wages in the local area.

(03-13-2017 11:17 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Yep, it's crap like that that helped get Trump elected.

The implication of this is that bigots voted for the only person who lied to them, telling them they weren't bigots but that they were actually correct, because they were tired for being called out as bigots.

If so, then the country is doomed, and rightfully so. My only hope is that NY, Minn, the west coast, and maybe a few others can join up with Canada, in that case.

(03-13-2017 11:04 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  And most states CAN do that. So what's the problem?

Just that they should choose not to, when it's not doing any harm to any other cities.

(03-13-2017 11:06 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Thankfully, liberalism no longer possesses the moral authority nor the votes to control MN politics outside of the Cites and the Range. Sixty years of lock-step Democrat domination, fiscal profligacy and politicized social policy have sent a fair chunk of voting Sotans scampering for the ‘burbs.

Have the burbs. I couldn't think of a worse to live than amongst the homogeneous McMansions of Maple Grove, Eden Prairie, Woodbury, etc.

Have St Cloud, the redneck capital of Minnesota.

Have all the rest of the flat, farmland that looks like South Dakota anyway.


The cities and Duluth, to get away now and then. And not sure about Rochester ... it's too bad Mayo couldn't have been by the U. But it is what it is.

the only bigot here is you. it's clear that you hate anybody who lives outside of the city.

also, it's clear that you have little underastanding of your local governmental processes.

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(03-13-2017 11:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  It would make sense if they were trying to illegally circumvent the state minimum wage to suppress wages in the local area.

Now that's interesting... What if out in bumbleburg, where all those rubes that you hate live, the cost of living is so low that a state minimum wage of 15$ an hour would destroy a main street economy?

Why is it ok for Minneapolis to act in it's best interest, but not bumbleburg?

(03-13-2017 11:52 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Not at all. Just realize you are being EXACTLY as you describe others as being just for a different desired outcome. As long as you are OK with that, continue to fight your fight.

(03-13-2017 11:52 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  You're supposed to realize that listening to people rather than yelling bigot is not the way to go... When someone says "I'm not voting for hillry because she is saying everything in the economy is fine, and for my small town that's not true", then you don't yell, why do you hate Muslims and women....

I think what you do instead is that you realize Hillary lost the election because some people who voted for Obama wouldn't vote for Hillary, and that's simply all there is to it.

There's nothing inherently wrong with progressive thinking or way of life. It's preferable, to many, many people, than the faux "personal responsibility" mantra.


The most important thing is to deny that the actual bigots (and they were a portion, not a majority, but certainly a portion of the Trump electorate) won anything. It was those who didn't vote who lost the election.

(03-13-2017 11:57 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Now that's interesting... What if out in bumbleburg, where all those rubes that you hate live, the cost of living is so low that a state minimum wage of 15$ an hour would destroy a main street economy?

Why is it ok for Minneapolis to act in it's best interest, but not bumbleburg?

Where are you getting a state minimum wage of $15 ???? Mpls isn't trying to force a state $15 minimum wage. It's for the city, and only the city. That's the point.

The state minimum wage is quite low. No city or county needs suppress it further.

(03-13-2017 11:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 11:50 AM)Crebman Wrote:  The plastic bag rules are stupid for the State Legislators to get involved in. If Minneapolis & St Paul want to play environmentalist, go ahead and ban the plastic. However, I do believe that minimum wage laws and benefits requirements are a state issue - and if the State Representatives want to wade into those waters, appropriate.

At least this is somewhat reasonable stance.

But I don't believe there is any precedent for a state preventing a local government from increasing the minimum wage in the local area above the state minimum wage.

It would make sense if they were trying to illegally circumvent the state minimum wage to suppress wages in the local area.

Actually, that makes no sense at all, and just points out your bias.

If a muni wants to INCREASE their minimum wage, you want the state to butt out and leave them alone.

If a muni wants a LOWER minimum wage, you want the state to butt in and tell them no.

Its a state issue, so the state should always be involved. However, the states minimum wage should always be to the low side, the lowest any muni could support, so that they dont unfairly burden an area that doesnt have the income level to support higher minimums.

It will come as a great surprise to the libturds, but the cost of living in rural areas is much less that that of a major city. Rural areas can not support a minimum wage of a large city. In fact, get rid of the minimum wage altogether and allow the market to set the prices. That pretty much happens now in a lot of areas. The areas that are going to sh*t are the cities or states that have outrageously raised minimum wages to an unsustainable level. The areas where there is very low minimum wage requirements arent having any issues.