(03-07-2017 04:10 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  LMAO

I thought you'd already done that. A few times. Does it keep growing back? You may want to get that seen about.

(03-06-2017 10:53 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  Tubby needs more time. But I am concerned about whether or not a "rebuild" is in him. He really needs to have a marketing touch that excites the fanbase. Tubby is at a stage in his life where that "get out and go get 'em " energy is not as apparent. I don't see a whole lot from him other than post game press conferences and his summer camp. He needs to be on local and national TV branding the school and the program to recruits.

(03-07-2017 03:59 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 03:38 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  2 more years, folks. If he fails, he fails. But give it time.

Unfortunately for Tubby a lot of the fan base has an Opie hangover and are already short on patience.

And that's just the way it is in Memphis. You win, they'll support the team, coach, school -- whatever. You quit winning, they not only quit coming, they turn on you and want your head on a platter.

Nebraska has made 7 NCAA tournament appearances -- TOTAL -- and never won a game, yet their attendance last year averaged about 16,000. We're not them.

(03-07-2017 05:28 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 03:59 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 03:38 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  2 more years, folks. If he fails, he fails. But give it time.

Unfortunately for Tubby a lot of the fan base has an Opie hangover and are already short on patience.

And that's just the way it is in Memphis. You win, they'll support the team, coach, school -- whatever. You quit winning, they not only quit coming, they turn on you and want your head on a platter.

Nebraska has made 7 NCAA tournament appearances -- TOTAL -- and never won a game, yet their attendance last year averaged about 16,000. We're not them.

You ever been to Nebraska?

(03-07-2017 05:37 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 05:28 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 03:59 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 03:38 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  2 more years, folks. If he fails, he fails. But give it time.

Unfortunately for Tubby a lot of the fan base has an Opie hangover and are already short on patience.

And that's just the way it is in Memphis. You win, they'll support the team, coach, school -- whatever. You quit winning, they not only quit coming, they turn on you and want your head on a platter.

Nebraska has made 7 NCAA tournament appearances -- TOTAL -- and never won a game, yet their attendance last year averaged about 16,000. We're not them.

You ever been to Nebraska?

I've been to Nebraska, been to maybe 3/4 the States. I think Memphis has an inferiority complex, if the team isn't winning against good teams, it doesn't pump them up. Memphis' fans will only support a winner, because it pumps them up.

(03-07-2017 05:47 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 05:37 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 05:28 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 03:59 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 03:38 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  2 more years, folks. If he fails, he fails. But give it time.

Unfortunately for Tubby a lot of the fan base has an Opie hangover and are already short on patience.

And that's just the way it is in Memphis. You win, they'll support the team, coach, school -- whatever. You quit winning, they not only quit coming, they turn on you and want your head on a platter.

Nebraska has made 7 NCAA tournament appearances -- TOTAL -- and never won a game, yet their attendance last year averaged about 16,000. We're not them.

You ever been to Nebraska?

I've been to Nebraska, been to maybe 3/4 the States. I think Memphis has an inferiority complex, if the team isn't winning against good teams, it doesn't pump them up. Memphis' fans will only support a winner, because it pumps them up.

Ain't much competition for the entertainment dollar is the point.

(03-07-2017 05:49 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 05:47 PM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 05:37 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 05:28 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 03:59 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Unfortunately for Tubby a lot of the fan base has an Opie hangover and are already short on patience.

And that's just the way it is in Memphis. You win, they'll support the team, coach, school -- whatever. You quit winning, they not only quit coming, they turn on you and want your head on a platter.

Nebraska has made 7 NCAA tournament appearances -- TOTAL -- and never won a game, yet their attendance last year averaged about 16,000. We're not them.

You ever been to Nebraska?

I've been to Nebraska, been to maybe 3/4 the States. I think Memphis has an inferiority complex, if the team isn't winning against good teams, it doesn't pump them up. Memphis' fans will only support a winner, because it pumps them up.

Ain't much competition for the entertainment dollar is the point.

I know the point you were trying to make. I agree, but Memphis has 4 times the population.

(03-07-2017 04:05 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 12:55 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 11:57 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 06:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 05:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  It's silly because it's an unnecessary sample when the entire population is available. It's silly because it doesn't include any context.

Why continue on with the passive aggressive and aggressive aggressive stuff? Just tell us who you wanted as coach.

Was Tubby your first choice? If not who was?

Although you have not answered my questions, I will directly answer yours. No he was not. First, I preferred Archie Miller 2-3 years ago, when I thought we had a chance at him. This year it was obvious we had no shot at him. Once you get past him and Greg Marshall, and get into the real candidates - my choice was different from many. Dan Majerle. I felt his name and his ties to US Basketball would be big advantages at a place like Memphis.

But when I heard it was Tubby, I got on board with giving him 2-3 years to see what he could do. I didn't lose sight he's the only coach we've ever hired who has won a NC.

Pearl, Marshall, Forbes, Miller, Underwood so our list is pretty similar outside of Pearl.

As you know, I've looked closely at Tubby's last 10 years (recent history) and am not convinced he was a good hire much less the right hire. I may be proven wrong which would be fine since it would mean the Tigers will be playing in the NCAA S16 within a couple of years.

Tubby's NC is ancient history and happened at Kentucky. I just don't think being successful at Kentucky will necessarily translate into success at any other school not named Duke, North Carolina, or Kansas with a nod to Indiana and UCLA.

Well, 3 of those guys weren't coming. So Pearl and Forbes. Forbes may or may not have worked. Largely unproven. Big risk - much bigger than Tubby. Pearl? See the thread on him. He's in year 4, getting recruits, but not translating to success. No thanks.

As for Tubby's ancient history, he's outperformed everywhere he's been. No NC at Minny or TT, but he got those lame programs to (I think) 4 NCAA's over 9 years. Not bad for them. Between the 2 of them, they've had 5 seasons since he left with 1 total NCAA tourney appearance - this year at Minny.

Pearl is at the end of year three (3)

After 15 and 11 win years he has 18 this year. Next year will likely be a breakout year for Pearl at Auburn as he has been stockpiling highly regarded talent. (Tubby had more talent this year than Pearl started with and played in a weaker conference.)

(03-07-2017 06:25 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 04:05 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 12:55 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 11:57 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-06-2017 06:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Was Tubby your first choice? If not who was?

Although you have not answered my questions, I will directly answer yours. No he was not. First, I preferred Archie Miller 2-3 years ago, when I thought we had a chance at him. This year it was obvious we had no shot at him. Once you get past him and Greg Marshall, and get into the real candidates - my choice was different from many. Dan Majerle. I felt his name and his ties to US Basketball would be big advantages at a place like Memphis.

But when I heard it was Tubby, I got on board with giving him 2-3 years to see what he could do. I didn't lose sight he's the only coach we've ever hired who has won a NC.

Pearl, Marshall, Forbes, Miller, Underwood so our list is pretty similar outside of Pearl.

As you know, I've looked closely at Tubby's last 10 years (recent history) and am not convinced he was a good hire much less the right hire. I may be proven wrong which would be fine since it would mean the Tigers will be playing in the NCAA S16 within a couple of years.

Tubby's NC is ancient history and happened at Kentucky. I just don't think being successful at Kentucky will necessarily translate into success at any other school not named Duke, North Carolina, or Kansas with a nod to Indiana and UCLA.

Well, 3 of those guys weren't coming. So Pearl and Forbes. Forbes may or may not have worked. Largely unproven. Big risk - much bigger than Tubby. Pearl? See the thread on him. He's in year 4, getting recruits, but not translating to success. No thanks.

As for Tubby's ancient history, he's outperformed everywhere he's been. No NC at Minny or TT, but he got those lame programs to (I think) 4 NCAA's over 9 years. Not bad for them. Between the 2 of them, they've had 5 seasons since he left with 1 total NCAA tourney appearance - this year at Minny.

Pearl is at the end of year three (3)

After 15 and 11 win years he has 18 this year. Next year will likely be a breakout year for Pearl at Auburn as he has been stockpiling highly regarded talent. (Tubby had more talent this year than Pearl started with and played in a weaker conference.)

10 months, not Memphis good.

(03-07-2017 06:25 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Pearl is at the end of year three (3)

After 15 and 11 win years he has 18 this year. Next year will likely be a breakout year for Pearl at Auburn as he has been stockpiling highly regarded talent. (Tubby had more talent this year than Pearl started with and played in a weaker conference.)

Next year is the year! Used to be the motto for Tigers football. Now it's the motto of the Pearlies. #doublestandard #agenda

(03-07-2017 05:28 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 03:59 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 03:38 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  2 more years, folks. If he fails, he fails. But give it time.

Unfortunately for Tubby a lot of the fan base has an Opie hangover and are already short on patience.

And that's just the way it is in Memphis. You win, they'll support the team, coach, school -- whatever. You quit winning, they not only quit coming, they turn on you and want your head on a platter.

Nebraska has made 7 NCAA tournament appearances -- TOTAL -- and never won a game, yet their attendance last year averaged about 16,000. We're not them.

We're pretty consistently top 25 attendance. Way ahead of most. Even at the bottom of the trough that we're in, we reported 12k attendance and finished top 30. That's 5th among non-power-cons. And that's with the Pastner problem and the weak schedule.

I did say "reported" because we all know that we didn't have 12k there. But who can say that all other schools aren't reporting similarly inflated numbers. I'm betting they are - excluding the blue bloods with hard sellouts.

No, it's not the way it was a few years ago. We have done a lousy job there. But I just don't see a front-runner attendance culture that is unique to Memphis. That culture is with most programs. It's a reap-sow principle.

(03-08-2017 11:44 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 06:25 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Pearl is at the end of year three (3)

After 15 and 11 win years he has 18 this year. Next year will likely be a breakout year for Pearl at Auburn as he has been stockpiling highly regarded talent. (Tubby had more talent this year than Pearl started with and played in a weaker conference.)

Next year is the year! Used to be the motto for Tigers football. Now it's the motto of the Pearlies. #doublestandard #agenda

So, If Pearl gets Auburn to the NCAA tournament next year you have his ugly mug as your avatar for a month. If he doesn't, I'll have his ugly mug for my avatar for a month.

Deal?

(03-08-2017 03:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 11:44 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 06:25 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Pearl is at the end of year three (3)

After 15 and 11 win years he has 18 this year. Next year will likely be a breakout year for Pearl at Auburn as he has been stockpiling highly regarded talent. (Tubby had more talent this year than Pearl started with and played in a weaker conference.)

Next year is the year! Used to be the motto for Tigers football. Now it's the motto of the Pearlies. #doublestandard #agenda

So, If Pearl gets Auburn to the NCAA tournament next year you have his ugly mug as your avatar for a month. If he doesn't, I'll have his ugly mug for my avatar for a month.

Deal?

Will next year be Pearl's 4th year?

(03-08-2017 03:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 11:44 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 06:25 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Pearl is at the end of year three (3)

After 15 and 11 win years he has 18 this year. Next year will likely be a breakout year for Pearl at Auburn as he has been stockpiling highly regarded talent. (Tubby had more talent this year than Pearl started with and played in a weaker conference.)

Next year is the year! Used to be the motto for Tigers football. Now it's the motto of the Pearlies. #doublestandard #agenda

So, If Pearl gets Auburn to the NCAA tournament next year you have his ugly mug as your avatar for a month. If he doesn't, I'll have his ugly mug for my avatar for a month.

Deal?

Only if you shutup about Tubby until year 4.

I'm not saying Pearl will or won't make it in year 4. I'm saying...it's year 4. He's had a top 30 and 2 top 20 recruiting classes - and he's still #11 in the powerhouse SEC. How many recruiting classes does it take to move up to at least the top half of your conference?

I'm saying, if it's not clear, that many have a double standard. Tubby has to win and recruit now. Pearl - he'll do it in year 4.

(03-09-2017 05:06 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 03:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-08-2017 11:44 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-07-2017 06:25 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Pearl is at the end of year three (3)

After 15 and 11 win years he has 18 this year. Next year will likely be a breakout year for Pearl at Auburn as he has been stockpiling highly regarded talent. (Tubby had more talent this year than Pearl started with and played in a weaker conference.)

Next year is the year! Used to be the motto for Tigers football. Now it's the motto of the Pearlies. #doublestandard #agenda

So, If Pearl gets Auburn to the NCAA tournament next year you have his ugly mug as your avatar for a month. If he doesn't, I'll have his ugly mug for my avatar for a month.

Deal?

Only if you shutup about Tubby until year 4.

I'm not saying Pearl will or won't make it in year 4. I'm saying...it's year 4. He's had a top 30 and 2 top 20 recruiting classes - and he's still #11 in the powerhouse SEC. How many recruiting classes does it take to move up to at least the top half of your conference?

I'm saying, if it's not clear, that many have a double standard. Tubby has to win and recruit now. Pearl - he'll do it in year 4.

Which is the easier program to win at? Auburn or Memphis?

Again, My problem with Tubby is that he didn't go balls to the wall trying to fill out THIS year's roster. DL is first team all conference, KJ is ROY. Just add a couple more VIABLE rotation players to THIS season's roster and there's likely ZERO negative discussion regarding Tubby. ZERO.

Hopefully he builds the 2017 class into a top 25 ranking. That will provide the fan base with HOPE for the future.

I guess some just think the recruiting rankings matter more than season rankings. That's the only explanation I can find for Pearlites. Well, there is another - probably more realistic.

(03-09-2017 07:14 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I guess some just think the recruiting rankings matter more than season rankings. That's the only explanation I can find for Pearlites. Well, there is another - probably more realistic.

Do the teams that have higher ranked recruiting classes GENERALLY have better teams? Yes, generally speaking they do. Most of the time it's better to have higher rated recruits than not to.

One reason there's more patience for Pearl on this board is because Auburn isn't this fan base's team.

From the outside looking in, fans of other teams thought we were crazy to be so down on Pastner. They just looked at the numbers and results and said, "What's to really complain about?" They didn't live in the same house with Paz, figuratively speaking.

If you look at Auburn's program historically, how and who they've been able to recruit, what their results have been then, you can see what Pearl is building there. It's a much, much steeper hill to climb than Memphis has (traditionally).

Now, personally, I think Pearl is a year behind schedule but I really don't get all wound up about it. If he doesn't have a breakout year next year then he's definitely under performing IMO but again, wtf either way.

(03-10-2017 11:06 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 07:14 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I guess some just think the recruiting rankings matter more than season rankings. That's the only explanation I can find for Pearlites. Well, there is another - probably more realistic.

Do the teams that have higher ranked recruiting classes GENERALLY have better teams? Yes, generally speaking they do. Most of the time it's better to have higher rated recruits than not to.

One reason there's more patience for Pearl on this board is because Auburn isn't this fan base's team.

From the outside looking in, fans of other teams thought we were crazy to be so down on Pastner. They just looked at the numbers and results and said, "What's to really complain about?" They didn't live in the same house with Paz, figuratively speaking.

If you look at Auburn's program historically, how and who they've been able to recruit, what their results have been then, you can see what Pearl is building there. It's a much, much steeper hill to climb than Memphis has (traditionally).

Now, personally, I think Pearl is a year behind schedule but I really don't get all wound up about it. If he doesn't have a breakout year next year then he's definitely under performing IMO but again, wtf either way.

10 months BBalls, not getting it done, I don't care if Auburn wins a national championship next year. I honestly thought he was a better coach than he has shown, with all those great recruiting classes and all.

(03-10-2017 11:12 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 11:06 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 07:14 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I guess some just think the recruiting rankings matter more than season rankings. That's the only explanation I can find for Pearlites. Well, there is another - probably more realistic.

Do the teams that have higher ranked recruiting classes GENERALLY have better teams? Yes, generally speaking they do. Most of the time it's better to have higher rated recruits than not to.

One reason there's more patience for Pearl on this board is because Auburn isn't this fan base's team.

From the outside looking in, fans of other teams thought we were crazy to be so down on Pastner. They just looked at the numbers and results and said, "What's to really complain about?" They didn't live in the same house with Paz, figuratively speaking.

If you look at Auburn's program historically, how and who they've been able to recruit, what their results have been then, you can see what Pearl is building there. It's a much, much steeper hill to climb than Memphis has (traditionally).

Now, personally, I think Pearl is a year behind schedule but I really don't get all wound up about it. If he doesn't have a breakout year next year then he's definitely under performing IMO but again, wtf either way.

10 months BBalls, not getting it done, I don't care if Auburn wins a national championship next year. I honestly thought he was a better coach than he has shown, with all those great recruiting classes and all.

Does it take extra work on your part to be this much of an ass or does it just come naturally to you?

(03-10-2017 11:18 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 11:12 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(03-10-2017 11:06 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 07:14 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I guess some just think the recruiting rankings matter more than season rankings. That's the only explanation I can find for Pearlites. Well, there is another - probably more realistic.

Do the teams that have higher ranked recruiting classes GENERALLY have better teams? Yes, generally speaking they do. Most of the time it's better to have higher rated recruits than not to.

One reason there's more patience for Pearl on this board is because Auburn isn't this fan base's team.

From the outside looking in, fans of other teams thought we were crazy to be so down on Pastner. They just looked at the numbers and results and said, "What's to really complain about?" They didn't live in the same house with Paz, figuratively speaking.

If you look at Auburn's program historically, how and who they've been able to recruit, what their results have been then, you can see what Pearl is building there. It's a much, much steeper hill to climb than Memphis has (traditionally).

Now, personally, I think Pearl is a year behind schedule but I really don't get all wound up about it. If he doesn't have a breakout year next year then he's definitely under performing IMO but again, wtf either way.

10 months BBalls, not getting it done, I don't care if Auburn wins a national championship next year. I honestly thought he was a better coach than he has shown, with all those great recruiting classes and all.

Does it take extra work on your part to be this much of an ass or does it just come naturally to you?

Naturally.