(03-04-2017 08:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 08:52 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 07:39 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 07:35 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 06:41 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  Why would any high level recruit answer a call from Tubby?

Hell, is Tubby even going to call a high level recruit?

You may be right on both counts, but I don't think the current coach is the main reason for players not wanting to play at Memphis any more. We hadn't made either tournament in two years. That much alone was enough to cause a juco transfer who was already on the team to leave, and this makes three in a row. I can't imagine our "brand" has trended upward. It'll be tough. It would be tough for anybody to land 5-stars here now, especially someone who doesn't seem to have that as goal.

To answer the OP's question, probably at least 4 years.

Go check out Auburn's record in bb and lack of post season for years and Pearl is landing really good recruiting classes there...... at Auburn who doesn't give a **** about basketball......

So did Pastner. What's your point? The question was about basketball relevance. Neither the last seven years here nor the last three years there amount to relevance.

My point is that great coaches CAN recruit top players to a crappy program.

Brown to SMU and Pearl to Auburn come immediately to mind.

I think Pastner was a rookie head coach the last time one of Pearl's teams had more wins than we are complaining about right now. Brown? Yeah, he's the real deal. I'd be all for getting him to come here . . . if he weren't 90 years old.

(03-04-2017 09:21 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 08:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 08:52 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 07:39 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 07:35 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  You may be right on both counts, but I don't think the current coach is the main reason for players not wanting to play at Memphis any more. We hadn't made either tournament in two years. That much alone was enough to cause a juco transfer who was already on the team to leave, and this makes three in a row. I can't imagine our "brand" has trended upward. It'll be tough. It would be tough for anybody to land 5-stars here now, especially someone who doesn't seem to have that as goal.

To answer the OP's question, probably at least 4 years.

Go check out Auburn's record in bb and lack of post season for years and Pearl is landing really good recruiting classes there...... at Auburn who doesn't give a **** about basketball......

So did Pastner. What's your point? The question was about basketball relevance. Neither the last seven years here nor the last three years there amount to relevance.

My point is that great coaches CAN recruit top players to a crappy program.

Brown to SMU and Pearl to Auburn come immediately to mind.

I think Pastner was a rookie head coach the last time one of Pearl's teams had more wins than we are complaining about right now. Brown? Yeah, he's the real deal. I'd be all for getting him to come here . . . if he weren't 90 years old.

Just talking about getting players not results at this point.

(03-04-2017 09:25 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 09:21 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 08:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 08:52 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 07:39 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Go check out Auburn's record in bb and lack of post season for years and Pearl is landing really good recruiting classes there...... at Auburn who doesn't give a **** about basketball......

So did Pastner. What's your point? The question was about basketball relevance. Neither the last seven years here nor the last three years there amount to relevance.

My point is that great coaches CAN recruit top players to a crappy program.

Brown to SMU and Pearl to Auburn come immediately to mind.

I think Pastner was a rookie head coach the last time one of Pearl's teams had more wins than we are complaining about right now. Brown? Yeah, he's the real deal. I'd be all for getting him to come here . . . if he weren't 90 years old.

Just talking about getting players not results at this point.

That used to excite me. Seven years of Pastner cured that.

(03-04-2017 09:33 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 09:25 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 09:21 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 08:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 08:52 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  So did Pastner. What's your point? The question was about basketball relevance. Neither the last seven years here nor the last three years there amount to relevance.

My point is that great coaches CAN recruit top players to a crappy program.

Brown to SMU and Pearl to Auburn come immediately to mind.

I think Pastner was a rookie head coach the last time one of Pearl's teams had more wins than we are complaining about right now. Brown? Yeah, he's the real deal. I'd be all for getting him to come here . . . if he weren't 90 years old.

Just talking about getting players not results at this point.

That used to excite me. Seven years of Pastner cured that.

Yeah, I get it but just because the program is in the shitter doesn't mean the right hire can't come in and still get top 10-15 recruiting classes. It just won't be Tubby; he doesn't do the recruiting thing.

(03-04-2017 09:41 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 09:33 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 09:25 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Just talking about getting players not results at this point.

That used to excite me. Seven years of Pastner cured that.

Yeah, I get it but just because the program is in the shitter doesn't mean the right hire can't come in and still get top 10-15 recruiting classes. It just won't be Tubby; he doesn't do the recruiting thing.

Well, what he has done is make the last two programs he's run get better results than they were getting when he arrived. That's really all I'm expecting out of him. I don't think he's going to be here all that long, but I expect to be back to the tournament before he leaves with the program on an upward swing. We'll see.

It ain't happening in year one, but I wasn't one of the ones who thought it would. I'm very disappointed in how the team performed today, and I'm a bit disappointed that we lost focus toward the end of the season, but overall, I think this year was an improvement over what it would have been if we still had Pastner. He's gone, and the rebuilding has started. Larry Brown took SMU to the dance in year three (of four) and was one and done, but now look where they are. That's what I expect from Tubby -- get the ship back on course and ready for the next guy to take over.

(03-04-2017 10:08 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 09:41 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 09:33 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 09:25 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Just talking about getting players not results at this point.

That used to excite me. Seven years of Pastner cured that.

Yeah, I get it but just because the program is in the shitter doesn't mean the right hire can't come in and still get top 10-15 recruiting classes. It just won't be Tubby; he doesn't do the recruiting thing.

Well, what he has done is make the last two programs he's run get better results than they were getting when he arrived. That's really all I'm expecting out of him. I don't think he's going to be here all that long, but I expect to be back to the tournament before he leaves with the program on an upward swing. We'll see.

It ain't happening in year one, but I wasn't one of the ones who thought it would. I'm very disappointed in how the team performed today, and I'm a bit disappointed that we lost focus toward the end of the season, but overall, I think this year was an improvement over what it would have been if we still had Pastner. He's gone, and the rebuilding has started. Larry Brown took SMU to the dance in year three (of four) and was one and done, but now look where they are. That's what I expect from Tubby -- get the ship back on course and ready for the next guy to take over.

That's just it. What rebuilding? Tubby brought in Chad, Clergeot, and Kessee. Three zeros for this year and two of those three are gone.

#56 recruiting class incoming. That's not really rebuilding at Memphis.

Here's who the Tigers beat this year:

UTRGV 7-20 RPI - 318
MILW 8-23 RPI - 287
SAV 11-16 RPI - 285
McNCE 5-21 RPI - 315
IOWA 17-13 RPI - 73*
JKST 11-16 RPI - 321
UAB 15-14 RPI - 178
OK 11-19 RPI - 152
IW 8-17 RPI - 296
SC 21-8 RPI - 28* (Missing best player)
UCONN 13-15 RPI - 114
TLN (x2) 5-24 RPI - 297
USF (x2) 7-21 RPI - 311
HOU 20-9 RPI - 52*
UCF 20-10 RPI - 74*
ECU 14-16 RPI - 221
TULSA 14-14 RPI 110


South Carolina is the outlier but remember they were missing their best player.

Just take a look at this slop.

There's not much substance here.

(03-04-2017 10:14 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 10:08 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 09:41 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 09:33 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 09:25 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Just talking about getting players not results at this point.

That used to excite me. Seven years of Pastner cured that.

Yeah, I get it but just because the program is in the shitter doesn't mean the right hire can't come in and still get top 10-15 recruiting classes. It just won't be Tubby; he doesn't do the recruiting thing.

Well, what he has done is make the last two programs he's run get better results than they were getting when he arrived. That's really all I'm expecting out of him. I don't think he's going to be here all that long, but I expect to be back to the tournament before he leaves with the program on an upward swing. We'll see.

It ain't happening in year one, but I wasn't one of the ones who thought it would. I'm very disappointed in how the team performed today, and I'm a bit disappointed that we lost focus toward the end of the season, but overall, I think this year was an improvement over what it would have been if we still had Pastner. He's gone, and the rebuilding has started. Larry Brown took SMU to the dance in year three (of four) and was one and done, but now look where they are. That's what I expect from Tubby -- get the ship back on course and ready for the next guy to take over.

That's just it. What rebuilding? Tubby brought in Chad, Clergeot, and Kessee. Three zeros for this year and two of those three are gone.

#56 recruiting class incoming. That's not really rebuilding at Memphis.

Here's who the Tigers beat this year:

UTRGV 7-20 RPI - 318
MILW 8-23 RPI - 287
SAV 11-16 RPI - 285
McNCE 5-21 RPI - 315
IOWA 17-13 RPI - 73*
JKST 11-16 RPI - 321
UAB 15-14 RPI - 178
OK 11-19 RPI - 152
IW 8-17 RPI - 296
SC 21-8 RPI - 28* (Missing best player)
UCONN 13-15 RPI - 114
TLN (x2) 5-24 RPI - 297
USF (x2) 7-21 RPI - 311
HOU 20-9 RPI - 52*
UCF 20-10 RPI - 74*
ECU 14-16 RPI - 221
TULSA 14-14 RPI 110


South Carolina is the outlier but remember they were missing their best player.

Just take a look at this slop.

There's not much substance here.

The schedule aint Tubby's fault. But it was a big pile of garbage.

We weren't very good. We weren't very deep. There were some things he could've done upon getting here to help with that, but he didn't...for whatever reason. This year was a pass IMO. Wish we could've made the NIT but oh well...

Next year is big. We can't suck again...I imagine he knows that and I would expect he's very active with JUCOs and grad transfers.

(03-04-2017 10:36 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 10:14 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 10:08 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 09:41 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 09:33 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  That used to excite me. Seven years of Pastner cured that.

Yeah, I get it but just because the program is in the shitter doesn't mean the right hire can't come in and still get top 10-15 recruiting classes. It just won't be Tubby; he doesn't do the recruiting thing.

Well, what he has done is make the last two programs he's run get better results than they were getting when he arrived. That's really all I'm expecting out of him. I don't think he's going to be here all that long, but I expect to be back to the tournament before he leaves with the program on an upward swing. We'll see.

It ain't happening in year one, but I wasn't one of the ones who thought it would. I'm very disappointed in how the team performed today, and I'm a bit disappointed that we lost focus toward the end of the season, but overall, I think this year was an improvement over what it would have been if we still had Pastner. He's gone, and the rebuilding has started. Larry Brown took SMU to the dance in year three (of four) and was one and done, but now look where they are. That's what I expect from Tubby -- get the ship back on course and ready for the next guy to take over.

That's just it. What rebuilding? Tubby brought in Chad, Clergeot, and Kessee. Three zeros for this year and two of those three are gone.

#56 recruiting class incoming. That's not really rebuilding at Memphis.

Here's who the Tigers beat this year:

UTRGV 7-20 RPI - 318
MILW 8-23 RPI - 287
SAV 11-16 RPI - 285
McNCE 5-21 RPI - 315
IOWA 17-13 RPI - 73*
JKST 11-16 RPI - 321
UAB 15-14 RPI - 178
OK 11-19 RPI - 152
IW 8-17 RPI - 296
SC 21-8 RPI - 28* (Missing best player)
UCONN 13-15 RPI - 114
TLN (x2) 5-24 RPI - 297
USF (x2) 7-21 RPI - 311
HOU 20-9 RPI - 52*
UCF 20-10 RPI - 74*
ECU 14-16 RPI - 221
TULSA 14-14 RPI 110


South Carolina is the outlier but remember they were missing their best player.

Just take a look at this slop.

There's not much substance here.

The schedule aint Tubby's fault. But it was a big pile of garbage.

We weren't very good. We weren't very deep. There were some things he could've done upon getting here to help with that, but he didn't...for whatever reason. This year was a pass IMO. Wish we could've made the NIT but oh well...

Next year is big. We can't suck again...I imagine he knows that and I would expect he's very active with JUCOs and grad transfers.

That's 100% on Tubby.

(03-04-2017 10:14 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 10:08 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Well, what he has done is make the last two programs he's run get better results than they were getting when he arrived. That's really all I'm expecting out of him. I don't think he's going to be here all that long, but I expect to be back to the tournament before he leaves with the program on an upward swing. We'll see.

It ain't happening in year one, but I wasn't one of the ones who thought it would. I'm very disappointed in how the team performed today, and I'm a bit disappointed that we lost focus toward the end of the season, but overall, I think this year was an improvement over what it would have been if we still had Pastner. He's gone, and the rebuilding has started. Larry Brown took SMU to the dance in year three (of four) and was one and done, but now look where they are. That's what I expect from Tubby -- get the ship back on course and ready for the next guy to take over.

That's just it. What rebuilding? Tubby brought in Chad, Clergeot, and Kessee. Three zeros for this year and two of those three are gone.

#56 recruiting class incoming. That's not really rebuilding at Memphis.

Here's who the Tigers beat this year:

UTRGV 7-20 RPI - 318
MILW 8-23 RPI - 287
SAV 11-16 RPI - 285
McNCE 5-21 RPI - 315
IOWA 17-13 RPI - 73*
JKST 11-16 RPI - 321
UAB 15-14 RPI - 178
OK 11-19 RPI - 152
IW 8-17 RPI - 296
SC 21-8 RPI - 28* (Missing best player)
UCONN 13-15 RPI - 114
TLN (x2) 5-24 RPI - 297
USF (x2) 7-21 RPI - 311
HOU 20-9 RPI - 52*
UCF 20-10 RPI - 74*
ECU 14-16 RPI - 221
TULSA 14-14 RPI 110


South Carolina is the outlier but remember they were missing their best player.

Just take a look at this slop.

There's not much substance here.

Again, it's where you start vs where you finish. Everyone thought this year would be worse than last year with Pastner at the helm. We've already equalled that and have, probably, two more games to go, so we should beat it.

Expectations = worse than last year
Results = better than last year

That's an improvement, and whether it met Memphis fans' expectations or not, that's building, not sinking further down.

The three guys we have coming in are three positions we need to fill, not that it's a hard thing to do with this team. If Dedric leaves, we would do well to fill all five positions with players who can put the ball in the basket and guard somebody, and if he and his relatives leave, I expect we'll bring in just about an entire team of recruits who can, hopefully, do exactly that.

But they'll be freshmen, more than likely. Building something takes time, and it takes more time if you don't already have a solid foundation to build upon. Ask Larry Brown.

(03-04-2017 10:48 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Unless something changes, we will never be relevant again.

The change will be the next great coaching hire. It ain't Tubby.

Over the next 3-4 years Tubby will do what Tubby does and recruit solid 4 year players and maybe sneak into the NCAA tournament and maybe even win a game. That's about it.

What he WILL do though is provide a solid (not spectacular) roster that someone like Bruce Pearl could come in and add a couple of really special players to.

It won't be Pearl at this point, that ship has sailed but whoever the next coach after Tubby is will have to be the exact right hire or Tiger bb will be dead probably forever.

(03-04-2017 10:52 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 10:48 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Unless something changes, we will never be relevant again.

The change will be the next great coaching hire. It ain't Tubby.

Over the next 3-4 years Tubby will do what Tubby does and recruit solid 4 year players and maybe sneak into the NCAA tournament and maybe even win a game. That's about it.

What he WILL do though is provide a solid (not spectacular) roster that someone like Bruce Pearl could come in and add a couple of really special players to.

It won't be Pearl at this point, that ship has sailed but whoever the next coach after Tubby is will have to be the exact right hire or Tiger bb will be dead probably forever.

That's exactly what I think, except for the permanently dead part.

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I'd say 3 or 4 yrs. He will have gotten his type of hard nosed, lengthy, physical, coachable, fundamentally sound, skilled point guards, depth, and mentally tough kids here. Those ingredients along with a HOF coach leading the squad is a recipe for success!

(03-04-2017 05:52 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-04-2017 05:45 PM)Mimi Wrote:  1.

Maybe even one week.

Team will be lucky to be this good next year. What a joke.

Typical

(03-05-2017 11:42 AM)Ttaylor Wrote:  I'd say 3 or 4 yrs. He will have gotten his type of hard nosed, lengthy, physical, coachable, fundamentally sound, skilled point guards, depth, and mentally tough kids here. Those ingredients along with a HOF coach leading the squad is a recipe for success!

Here is the last 10 years of Tubby:

Minnesota Golden Gophers (Big Ten Conference) (2007–2013)
2007–08 20–14 (8–10) 6th NIT First Round
2008–09 22–11 (9–9) T–7th NCAA First Round
2009–10 21–14 (9–9) 6th NCAA First Round
2010–11 17–14 (6–12) 9th
2011–12 23–15 (6–12) T–9th NIT Runner-up
2012–13 21–13 (8–10) T–7th NCAA Third Round - {means 1-1}
Totals at Minnesota 124–81 (.605) 46–62 (.426) 1-3 in the NCAA

Texas Tech Red Raiders (Big 12 Conference) (2013–2016)
2013–14 14–18 (6–12) 9th
2014–15 13–19 (3–15) 10th
2015–16 19–13 9–9 7th NCAA First Round
Totals at Texas Tech: 46–50 (.474) 18–36 (.333) 0-1 in NCAA

Memphis Tigers (American Athletic Conference) (2016–present)
2016–17 19–12 (9–9) T-5th


Last 10 years:
4 NCAA tournament appearances: 1-3 record
No winning records in conference. - Average 7th place finish.
Never even close to a conference title, either regular season or tournament.
Average overall record: 20-14

Why are you trying so hard? If you hate the team as much as you indicate, why spend so much time and energy on it? Even as a troll - you spend a lot of time and work hard.

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no.
3.

Of course I might be defining 'relevant' more loosely.

The answer is always 42