(03-01-2017 05:08 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  Should have been fired two years ago. I had an 8th grade bb coach that taught better defensive play - from the team and the individuals'. I've left at the arena and turned off games in the 2nd half because they had no way of winning. And they didn't.
Doll
MOB has to be looked at based on his work. It has not been awe inspiring.

It would not have made much sense to fire him two years ago following back to back 20 win seasons (The first consecutive 20 win seasons since Bob Nichols was the coach)

I think we all pretty much realize that TK will have the balance of his contract to get us back into the upper 3 of the MAC. If we stay anchored in the bottom half of the conference after that period, then I'd be surprised to see his contract renewed. And I'm guessing TK knows that, too.

I think his biggest challenge is that he needs to get EVERY recruit dead-on from here on out. Tough to build a program off of transfers who aren't here 4 years.

(03-01-2017 06:17 PM)RocketBBallFan Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 05:08 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  Should have been fired two years ago. I had an 8th grade bb coach that taught better defensive play - from the team and the individuals'. I've left at the arena and turned off games in the 2nd half because they had no way of winning. And they didn't.
Doll
MOB has to be looked at based on his work. It has not been awe inspiring.

It would not have made much sense to fire him two years ago following back to back 20 win seasons (The first consecutive 20 win seasons since Bob Nichols was the coach)

I was just going by what I saw on the court and on several ESPN3 telecasts that year. It's the inconsistencies and lack of defense. If Kampe can do what he has done at Oakland, we should expect more than what we are getting. Maybe Toledo is just not a basketball power anymore and maybe never will be again.

(02-28-2017 09:39 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Whether or not there's merit in the argument, TK isn't going to be fired...ever. At worst ( for him), his contract will eventually not be renewed (which isn't the same as being fired). I can say that confidently for 2 reasons:

1) Because our AD had a habit of becoming enamored with coaches and giving them extensions on top of extensions, we can't afford to buy-out TK. We can't even afford to pay for/bond even half of the master plan proposal, so there's no UT money to buy a coach out...and I doubt that there's a deep pockets booster out there who's depressed enough at our irrelevancy to spend his/her money.

2) Firing TK means our AD would have to do a real coaching search, something recent history shows he isn't keen on. He moved Campbell up, he moved Candle up, he recruited TK from Green Bay, and he didn't look too far past Tricia Cullop. I think he'd rather see the next few seasons go by, so that he can retire and let another AD deal with it.

Now-- as to the merits of the argument...if we lose at EMU Friday, that gives us back-to-back losing (8-10) seasons in the MAC. It would also mark the 3rd season in a row where we ended the regular season with a whimper. If we the. lose the first round MAC tournament game, that would also repeat recent history. And, I think that would, under different circumstances, get a coach fired, at a number of schools.

BUT, if we continue our Jeckyl & Hyde play, and win at EMU, that would be a 9-9 MAC record--a small step forward. And, be still my heart, what if we WIN a game in the MAC tournament?

I think the group of new players who will be on the court next season represent the best hope for Toledo and TK. i just don't know if he'll have enough time to show results.

I just don't believe that Tod could have coached the CAVS to a championship last year. He would have screwed up LeBron and Kyrie. I'm done with mediocrity. On to Rocket Football which I believe will be a very exciting surprise for all this fall.

(03-01-2017 08:35 PM)AquaRocket Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 09:39 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Whether or not there's merit in the argument, TK isn't going to be fired...ever. At worst ( for him), his contract will eventually not be renewed (which isn't the same as being fired). I can say that confidently for 2 reasons:

1) Because our AD had a habit of becoming enamored with coaches and giving them extensions on top of extensions, we can't afford to buy-out TK. We can't even afford to pay for/bond even half of the master plan proposal, so there's no UT money to buy a coach out...and I doubt that there's a deep pockets booster out there who's depressed enough at our irrelevancy to spend his/her money.

2) Firing TK means our AD would have to do a real coaching search, something recent history shows he isn't keen on. He moved Campbell up, he moved Candle up, he recruited TK from Green Bay, and he didn't look too far past Tricia Cullop. I think he'd rather see the next few seasons go by, so that he can retire and let another AD deal with it.

Now-- as to the merits of the argument...if we lose at EMU Friday, that gives us back-to-back losing (8-10) seasons in the MAC. It would also mark the 3rd season in a row where we ended the regular season with a whimper. If we the. lose the first round MAC tournament game, that would also repeat recent history. And, I think that would, under different circumstances, get a coach fired, at a number of schools.

BUT, if we continue our Jeckyl & Hyde play, and win at EMU, that would be a 9-9 MAC record--a small step forward. And, be still my heart, what if we WIN a game in the MAC tournament?

I think the group of new players who will be on the court next season represent the best hope for Toledo and TK. i just don't know if he'll have enough time to show results.

I just don't believe that Tod could have coached the CAVS to a championship last year. He would have screwed up LeBron and Kyrie. I'm done with mediocrity. On to Rocket Football which I believe will be a very exciting surprise for all this fall.

Speaking of mediocrity....

(03-01-2017 08:35 PM)AquaRocket Wrote:  

(02-28-2017 09:39 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Whether or not there's merit in the argument, TK isn't going to be fired...ever. At worst ( for him), his contract will eventually not be renewed (which isn't the same as being fired). I can say that confidently for 2 reasons:

1) Because our AD had a habit of becoming enamored with coaches and giving them extensions on top of extensions, we can't afford to buy-out TK. We can't even afford to pay for/bond even half of the master plan proposal, so there's no UT money to buy a coach out...and I doubt that there's a deep pockets booster out there who's depressed enough at our irrelevancy to spend his/her money.

2) Firing TK means our AD would have to do a real coaching search, something recent history shows he isn't keen on. He moved Campbell up, he moved Candle up, he recruited TK from Green Bay, and he didn't look too far past Tricia Cullop. I think he'd rather see the next few seasons go by, so that he can retire and let another AD deal with it.

Now-- as to the merits of the argument...if we lose at EMU Friday, that gives us back-to-back losing (8-10) seasons in the MAC. It would also mark the 3rd season in a row where we ended the regular season with a whimper. If we the. lose the first round MAC tournament game, that would also repeat recent history. And, I think that would, under different circumstances, get a coach fired, at a number of schools.

BUT, if we continue our Jeckyl & Hyde play, and win at EMU, that would be a 9-9 MAC record--a small step forward. And, be still my heart, what if we WIN a game in the MAC tournament?

I think the group of new players who will be on the court next season represent the best hope for Toledo and TK. i just don't know if he'll have enough time to show results.

I just don't believe that Tod could have coached the CAVS to a championship last year. He would have screwed up LeBron and Kyrie. I'm done with mediocrity. On to Rocket Football which I believe will be a very exciting surprise for all this fall.

We'd be surprised if they had less than 9 wins or a MACC. Which one are you predicting?

of course when Candle wins 9 games and comes in second half of this board will be calling for his head and saying it's time to move on to basketball season.

as for the booing, not coming to games, etc... that is sort of what got UT alumnus Stan Joplin fired a year after winning the MAC, which ushered in the boogie nights era of he whom we shall not name and the recruiting and playing of guys who ended up mediocre small college players and the redshirting and benching of guys who were or ended up all conference here or somewhere else.

(03-01-2017 06:48 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 06:17 PM)RocketBBallFan Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 05:08 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  Should have been fired two years ago. I had an 8th grade bb coach that taught better defensive play - from the team and the individuals'. I've left at the arena and turned off games in the 2nd half because they had no way of winning. And they didn't.
Doll
MOB has to be looked at based on his work. It has not been awe inspiring.

It would not have made much sense to fire him two years ago following back to back 20 win seasons (The first consecutive 20 win seasons since Bob Nichols was the coach)

I was just going by what I saw on the court and on several ESPN3 telecasts that year. It's the inconsistencies and lack of defense. If Kampe can do what he has done at Oakland, we should expect more than what we are getting. Maybe Toledo is just not a basketball power anymore and maybe never will be again.

When was the last time Toledo was a "basketball power"?

Shouldn't we just clean house in the basketball dept.?

Hire Ryan Pedon... Enough said...

(03-02-2017 01:51 AM)pono Wrote:  of course when Candle wins 9 games and comes in second half of this board will be calling for his head and saying it's time to move on to basketball season.

as for the booing, not coming to games, etc... that is sort of what got UT alumnus Stan Joplin fired a year after winning the MAC, which ushered in the boogie nights era of he whom we shall not name and the recruiting and playing of guys who ended up mediocre small college players and the redshirting and benching of guys who were or ended up all conference here or somewhere else.

Actually I think that canning Stan Joplin was the AD doing a bit of anticipatory "preventative maintenance" in regards to the point shaving affair. Stan was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and ended up as collateral damage.

As for everyone advocating that TK be removed, you all need to sit back, take a deep breathe and realize that our current AD is Mike O'Brien, not Al Bohl----do that and you will likely see an immediate improvement in your high blood pressure readings.

Who is Ryan Pedon ?

(03-02-2017 10:52 AM)Michigan Rocket Wrote:  Who is Ryan Pedon ?

The greatest one year asst coach we've had here at Toledo

Where is Mr. Pedon now ?

(03-02-2017 11:14 AM)Michigan Rocket Wrote:  Where is Mr. Pedon now ?

Assistant Coach Butler Bulldogs.
http://www.butlersports.com/coaches.aspx...ath=mbball

(03-02-2017 11:03 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:52 AM)Michigan Rocket Wrote:  Who is Ryan Pedon ?

The greatest one year asst coach we've had here at Toledo

Agreed !!

(03-02-2017 11:32 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 11:03 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:52 AM)Michigan Rocket Wrote:  Who is Ryan Pedon ?

The greatest one year asst coach we've had here at Toledo

Agreed !!

Indeed. And he's not going to be an assistant much longer is my guess. I just hope he doesn't end up competing against us in the MAC as a head coach...

(03-02-2017 11:39 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 11:32 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 11:03 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 10:52 AM)Michigan Rocket Wrote:  Who is Ryan Pedon ?

The greatest one year asst coach we've had here at Toledo

Agreed !!

Indeed. And he's not going to be an assistant much longer is my guess. I just hope he doesn't end up competing against us in the MAC as a head coach...

He may end up at Miami... Hopefully we could see him back in Savage if TK's days are numbered... But more than likely no change will be made...

(03-02-2017 09:29 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  Hire Ryan Pedon... Enough said...

Look for Miami to make a run at Ryan Pedon if they end up firing their Coach after this Season's last place finish as he was a Graduate Assistant and Assistant Coach under the great Charlie Coles for several years. I got to know Ryan a little bit when he was an Assistant Coach at Toledo. He is very personable guy who is definitely on his way to becoming a Head Coach with his Assistant Coaching experiences at Kent State, Miami, Toledo, Illinois and now Butler. I am not advocating the firing of Coach K at this point in time, but a "up and comer" like Ryan Pedon would be the type of Coach I would go after when the time comes.

(03-02-2017 02:00 PM)Basketball Jones Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 09:29 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  Hire Ryan Pedon... Enough said...

Look for Miami to make a run at Ryan Pedon if they end up firing their Coach after this Season's last place finish as he was a Graduate Assistant and Assistant Coach under the great Charlie Coles for several years. I got to know Ryan a little bit when he was an Assistant Coach at Toledo. He is very personable guy who is definitely on his way to becoming a Head Coach with his Assistant Coaching experiences at Kent State, Miami, Toledo, Illinois and now Butler. I am not advocating the firing of Coach K at this point in time, but a "up and comer" like Ryan Pedon would be the type of Coach I would go after when the time comes.

Yes, and Ryan would be the kind of coach that would stick around. During his time here I think he understood the history at UT and how important it is to finally get a perennial winning program going again... He also seemed to like the Toledo area a lot..
I like TK but possibly a change is in order.... Eight seasons at UW Green Bay and seven at Toledo with no NCAA tourney....