(02-26-2017 02:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (02-26-2017 02:06 PM)q5sys Wrote: (02-26-2017 01:58 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: Ben Shapiro is an extremist. Can you try some links from people who don't have a clear history of anti-GLBT animus?
I dont care who he is or what his personal opinions are, he stated things that he claimed were facts. I found sources for what he stated from various places online.
I'm not going to disregard valid information just because I may or may not agree with the person stating it. I may or may not like you, (i dont know enough about you to make that conclusion) but I will judge your words independent of my opinion of you.
People I dont like can sometimes have great points to make, and it would be immature and irresponsible of me to disregard the point just because I dont like the person.
Quote:Ben Shapiro is an extremist.
In the world of Identity politics are we allowed to say that? He's a Jew, doesn't that make him a protected class, and thus saying anything negative about him = being an anti-Semite?
I'm only asking because the rules of public discourse seem to be changing rapidly these days, and it seems that criticizing someone who's in a social group that you are not apart becomes an issue of racism, xenophobia, etc.
A few days ago on another forum I expressed that I didn't agree with Ben on a few key issues, and I was instantly told... 'You are just a racist who's attacking a Jewish person.'
Look, where is the evidence from people who don't appear to be consumed with animus towards the LGBT community?
This is the exact problem. You keep framing the issue in a
US vs THEM way. It's not a war, where there are two sides and you are either one or the other. You are creating this very problem by refusing to acknowledge that there are tons of people who are not anti-LGBT but don't agree with the narrative being pushed.
It's this constant 'US vs THEM' that is making people hostile to the issue in general. That needs to stop. My best friend is MtF trans. I didn't know this until about 3 years ago when I stopped by his house one day to visit his sister (they are twins and live together) and saw him walking around the house in a dress. I still consider him to be my best friend, there's just another side of him that I am getting to know.
But every time I make a statement with other people about something on this issue, I'm instantly throw into the 'hateful, anti-LGBT' camp. It's either 'I agree with the agenda' or 'I'm against trans people'. First off, the lumping together of trans people is a horrible thing to do. There is so much variation within the trans community, that trying to paint them all with the same brush is completely wrong. MtF and FtM face completely different issues in their lives and there is not one solution that will fix everything for everyone.
People need to be seen and treated as individuals, not as a nebulous arch-type. The reason it's impossible to find "evidence from people who don't appear to be consumed with animus towards the LGBT community", is because the LGBT community frames everyone that doesn't agree with them as hateful. This way they can instantly disregard anything they dont agree with by shooting the messenger and claiming "Only people with hateful agendas ever have anything bad to say."
This would be like you and I playing poker... me stacking the deck in my favor... and then using me winning as proof that I'm a better poker player than you.
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