(02-26-2017 02:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 02:12 PM)nutbushtiger Wrote:  Still don't understand all the confusion, you got a dick you use the men's room, get rid of it and you can help yourselves to the ladies room, its that easy.

The GOP doesn't want that.

In your state of Tennessee, the GOP passed legislation prohibiting transitioned females or males from ever being recognized as their gender.

That's because they're not females or males. No amount of plastic surgery can make somebody into the other sex. They're basically a sexually confused Frankenstein.

(02-26-2017 03:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 02:24 PM)nutbushtiger Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 02:15 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 02:12 PM)nutbushtiger Wrote:  Still don't understand all the confusion, you got a dick you use the men's room, get rid of it and you can help yourselves to the ladies room, its that easy.

The GOP doesn't want that.

In your state of Tennessee, the GOP passed legislation prohibiting transitioned females or males from ever being recognized as their gender.

In NC, the GOP passed legislation mandating that fully transitioned men born in North Carolina to use the ladies room. (in TN, OH, KS, and ID you cannot amend your birth certificate or change genders ever, and NC's law uses birth certificate).

They don't want to keep men out of the ladies room, they MANDATE it in certain cases.

And DJT walked into a little girls changing room to perve out on little girls changing.

Every state has the right to choose what they want to do when it comes to this issue, and anyone who doesn't agree with it and feels their life will be turned upside down because of it has the freedom to move to another state that is more inline with their lifestyle choices.

But cities don't apparently.

Why should someone have to move to have civil rights?

But I'd like you to comment on YOUR GOP leadership in Tennessee, which mandates that men with penises use the ladies room.

they aren't men, they're women with penises.

(02-26-2017 03:33 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 03:27 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 01:58 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 01:32 PM)q5sys Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gzFZ4Fcbe0

Sorry about the adds in the video, I didn't make it.


Additional reading for sources he discusses.

Transgender people face alarmingly high risk of suicide
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio.../31626633/

The Truth About Transgender Suicide
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tann...64834.html

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article...ne.0016885

Transgender Regret Is Real Even If The Media Tell You Otherwise
http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/19/tran...otherwise/

The Transgender Suicide Rate Isn’t Due To Discrimination
http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/07/evid...imination/

Ben Shapiro is an extremist. Can you try some links from people who don't have a clear history of anti-GLBT animus?

Everyone that disagrees with your far left view of this topic is an extremist.

Again, any links from people who aren't consumed by Anti-Trans views?

by your definition, any person who hold traditional views of sex and gender are "consumed by anti-trans views."

(02-26-2017 10:36 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 03:57 PM)q5sys Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 03:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Why should someone have to move to have civil rights?

Since when is it a right to be able to use the bathroom while in public?

Offering bathrooms to people in public is a courtesy not a requirement. This is why there are places that dont offer public restrooms. Even in gov buildings, it's not a requirement, The Comptroller of Maryland office near me doesn't have bathrooms for public use, they are employee only.

If you allow cisgendered persons to use the restroom consistent with their gender identity, then you must allow them for transgendered persons.

(02-26-2017 01:58 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 01:32 PM)q5sys Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gzFZ4Fcbe0

Sorry about the adds in the video, I didn't make it.


Additional reading for sources he discusses.

Transgender people face alarmingly high risk of suicide
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio.../31626633/

The Truth About Transgender Suicide
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tann...64834.html

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article...ne.0016885

Transgender Regret Is Real Even If The Media Tell You Otherwise
http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/19/tran...otherwise/

The Transgender Suicide Rate Isn’t Due To Discrimination
http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/07/evid...imination/

Ben Shapiro is an extremist. Can you try some links from people who don't have a clear history of anti-GLBT animus?

He wrote none of those articles. Spin fail Tommy

(02-27-2017 02:19 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  they aren't men, they're women with penises.

Flag on the play.

Error in Logic. 10 yard penalty. 4th Down.


P*nis - n - a male erectile organ of copulation by which urine and semen are discharged from the body and that develops from the same embryonic mass of tissue as the clitoris (gtswagger, why is ***** filtered but not clitoris?)

Women - n - Plural of Woman

Woman - n - an adult female person

Female - n - of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs

Those with Penises can't bear young or produce eggs. Production of eggs and the capacity to bear young requires ovaries and a uterus.


To predicate challenge of the referee's call with the Intersex argument, those individuals are biologically not considered Male or Female, so your original statement is still invalid. Intersex rates: 0.018% of population @ http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.10...0209552139

Society will not change the definition of Male/Female terms applicable to 99.982% of the population based on a 0.018% deviance.

(02-27-2017 03:22 PM)q5sys Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 02:19 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  they aren't men, they're women with fake penises.

Flag on the play.

Error in Logic. 10 yard penalty. 4th Down.


P*nis - n - a male erectile organ of copulation by which urine and semen are discharged from the body and that develops from the same embryonic mass of tissue as the clitoris (gtswagger, why is ***** filtered but not clitoris?)

Women - n - Plural of Woman

Woman - n - an adult female person

Female - n - of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs

Those with Penises can't bear young or produce eggs. Production of eggs and the capacity to bear young requires ovaries and a uterus.


To predicate challenge of the referee's call with the Intersex argument, those individuals are biologically not considered Male or Female, so your original statement is still invalid. Intersex rates: 0.018% of population @ http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.10...0209552139

Society will not change the definition of Male/Female terms applicable to 99.982% of the population based on a 0.018% deviance.

Better?

So are we gonna have genital and birth certificate checks at all bathrooms or not? Because for the most part people transitioning are gonna look more like the sex they are becoming than the one they were. This has nothing to do with "protecting women and children" because none of these laws have ever proposed a way to enforce them or even a punishment if someone is actually caught. It's all symbolic and pointless. Now if you want to write a law saying it's illegal to look at anyone inappropriate in a bathroom/changing room no matter what your sex/orientation is and provide specific punishments if caught that would be great. Everyone should have the right to privacy in a restroom/changing room and if you are doing anything other than getting in and out as quickly as possible you are doing it wrong.

(02-27-2017 03:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 03:22 PM)q5sys Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 02:19 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  they aren't men, they're women with fake penises.

Flag on the play.

Error in Logic. 10 yard penalty. 4th Down.


P*nis - n - a male erectile organ of copulation by which urine and semen are discharged from the body and that develops from the same embryonic mass of tissue as the clitoris (gtswagger, why is ***** filtered but not clitoris?)

Women - n - Plural of Woman

Woman - n - an adult female person

Female - n - of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs

Those with Penises can't bear young or produce eggs. Production of eggs and the capacity to bear young requires ovaries and a uterus.


To predicate challenge of the referee's call with the Intersex argument, those individuals are biologically not considered Male or Female, so your original statement is still invalid. Intersex rates: 0.018% of population @ http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.10...0209552139

Society will not change the definition of Male/Female terms applicable to 99.982% of the population based on a 0.018% deviance.

Better?

Depends on which transition direction you're talking about.

if (FtM) { yes, real women with fake penises }; Under new terms, the call is reversed, still 4th down.

if (MtF) { No, fake women with real penises }; Call upheld. Loss of a timeout.

(02-27-2017 03:30 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  So are we gonna have genital and birth certificate checks at all bathrooms or not? Because for the most part people transitioning are gonna look more like the sex they are becoming than the one they were.

Not in reality. FtM transitioners can pass as male WAY eaiser than male to female.
It's eaiser for a woman to look masculine than for the other way around. Yes there are exceptions, but the that norm holds.

The other problem is when a person starts to transition. If it starts in their teens or early twenties, it isn't as hard for a MtF to pass. However once a male hits their 30s, it becomes more and more difficult all the time due to the way Male/Female bodies age. There will always be the people who have just started to transition that will not resemble their desired sex.

Herein lies the problem. If Bailey Jay (img is SFW) walked into a Ladies room, I doubt 99% of women would notice. Stefonknee on the other hand would be noticed instantly.

(02-26-2017 02:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, where is the evidence from people who don't appear to be consumed with animus towards the LGBT community?

Did you even bother to notice that in the video, he apparently (based on the links added) names some sources... among them seem to be USA Today and HuffPo??

Besides, MUCH of this is based on opinions, not facts... like 'which bathroom someone should use'.


I disagree with many on the right of the issue... and seem to agree with b0nds...

I think if you 'present' as a woman, you should use the women's. If you present as a man, you should use the men's. If you present as a man but don't have a *****, then use the stall. Women best I know are ALL stalls.

The only time you'll get hassled is if someone KNOWS you're TG'd and is being a moron (in which case we know who the are and if they make a habit of it, there will be evidence against them and they can be prosecuted) OR if you are causing trouble... which would only happen if you're not really TG'd, or if like Tom, you're more interested in causing issues than resolving them.

We aren't suddenly going to re-build hundreds of thousands of buildings with public restrooms to accommodate a tiny fraction of the already tiny fraction of the population that is not merely trans, but 'in process' trans. All NEW buildings have 'family/gender neutral bathrooms'. We didn't do it for the millions of handicapped or single dads with daughters or moms with sons (or just ANY individual adult caring for children of the opposite gender in public). We aren't doing it for the transgendered.

That's not discrimination Tom. That's equal treatment.


How's THAT for logic on Transgendered Arguments from people who don't appear to be consumed with animus towards the LGBT community?

(02-27-2017 03:46 PM)q5sys Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 03:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 03:22 PM)q5sys Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 02:19 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  they aren't men, they're women with fake penises.

Flag on the play.

Error in Logic. 10 yard penalty. 4th Down.


P*nis - n - a male erectile organ of copulation by which urine and semen are discharged from the body and that develops from the same embryonic mass of tissue as the clitoris (gtswagger, why is ***** filtered but not clitoris?)

Women - n - Plural of Woman

Woman - n - an adult female person

Female - n - of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs

Those with Penises can't bear young or produce eggs. Production of eggs and the capacity to bear young requires ovaries and a uterus.


To predicate challenge of the referee's call with the Intersex argument, those individuals are biologically not considered Male or Female, so your original statement is still invalid. Intersex rates: 0.018% of population @ http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.10...0209552139

Society will not change the definition of Male/Female terms applicable to 99.982% of the population based on a 0.018% deviance.

Better?

Depends on which transition direction you're talking about.

if (FtM) { yes, real women with fake penises }; Under new terms, the call is reversed, still 4th down.

if (MtF) { No, fake women with real penises }; Call upheld. Loss of a timeout.

After full transition (MtF) fake women shouldn't have a real pecker. If so, throw the flag for delay of game for not getting their pecker cut off in a timely manner. If they want to be a fake woman, they should have a fake, useless ****** rather than clinging to their pecker.

edit... why is ***** and ****** censored? I thought this was 6th grade, not 4 grade.

(02-27-2017 04:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 02:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Look, where is the evidence from people who don't appear to be consumed with animus towards the LGBT community?

Did you even bother to notice that in the video, he apparently (based on the links added) names some sources... among them seem to be USA Today and HuffPo??

Besides, MUCH of this is based on opinions, not facts... like 'which bathroom someone should use'.


I disagree with many on the right of the issue... and seem to agree with b0nds...

I think if you 'present' as a woman, you should use the women's. If you present as a man, you should use the men's. If you present as a man but don't have a *****, then use the stall. Women best I know are ALL stalls.

The only time you'll get hassled is if someone KNOWS you're TG'd and is being a moron (in which case we know who the are and if they make a habit of it, there will be evidence against them and they can be prosecuted) OR if you are causing trouble... which would only happen if you're not really TG'd, or if like Tom, you're more interested in causing issues than resolving them.

We aren't suddenly going to re-build hundreds of thousands of buildings with public restrooms to accommodate a tiny fraction of the already tiny fraction of the population that is not merely trans, but 'in process' trans. All NEW buildings have 'family/gender neutral bathrooms'. We didn't do it for the millions of handicapped or single dads with daughters or moms with sons (or just ANY individual adult caring for children of the opposite gender in public). We aren't doing it for the transgendered.

That's not discrimination Tom. That's equal treatment.


How's THAT for logic on Transgendered Arguments from people who don't appear to be consumed with animus towards the LGBT community?

I'm not watching Ben Shapiro..He's a long standing rabble rouser against Trans people. Kind of like a modern Fred Phelps.

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Everyone will know at schools and in work environments. That's why HERO was so vital.

I don't want to spend a billion bucks on restrooms. I just want equality. But its the GOP that is f'ing that up.

(02-27-2017 04:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Everyone will know at schools and in work environments. That's why HERO was so vital.

I don't want to spend a billion bucks on restrooms. I just want equality. But its the GOP that is f'ing that up.

http://abc13.com/politics/houston-voters...o/1066820/

https://ballotpedia.org/City_of_Houston_...mber_2015)

61% voted no. Nice try.

(02-27-2017 04:47 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 04:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Everyone will know at schools and in work environments. That's why HERO was so vital.

I don't want to spend a billion bucks on restrooms. I just want equality. But its the GOP that is f'ing that up.

http://abc13.com/politics/houston-voters...o/1066820/

https://ballotpedia.org/City_of_Houston_...mber_2015)

61% voted no. Nice try.

After millions in ads by the GOPers calling Trans people child molesters. Basically this was a Kubosh/GOP/Hotze operation.

(02-27-2017 04:49 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 04:47 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 04:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Everyone will know at schools and in work environments. That's why HERO was so vital.

I don't want to spend a billion bucks on restrooms. I just want equality. But its the GOP that is f'ing that up.

http://abc13.com/politics/houston-voters...o/1066820/

https://ballotpedia.org/City_of_Houston_...mber_2015)

61% voted no. Nice try.

After millions in ads by the GOPers calling Trans people child molesters. Basically this was a Kubosh/GOP/Hotze operation.

Millions? Liar. The alphabet soup gang had 5 times the money backing them.

Quote:Are you in favor of the Houston Equal Rights Ordinance, Ord. No. 2014-530......?

(02-27-2017 04:11 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 03:46 PM)q5sys Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 03:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 03:22 PM)q5sys Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 02:19 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  they aren't men, they're women with fake penises.

Flag on the play.

Error in Logic. 10 yard penalty. 4th Down.


P*nis - n - a male erectile organ of copulation by which urine and semen are discharged from the body and that develops from the same embryonic mass of tissue as the clitoris (gtswagger, why is ***** filtered but not clitoris?)

Women - n - Plural of Woman

Woman - n - an adult female person

Female - n - of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs

Those with Penises can't bear young or produce eggs. Production of eggs and the capacity to bear young requires ovaries and a uterus.


To predicate challenge of the referee's call with the Intersex argument, those individuals are biologically not considered Male or Female, so your original statement is still invalid. Intersex rates: 0.018% of population @ http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.10...0209552139

Society will not change the definition of Male/Female terms applicable to 99.982% of the population based on a 0.018% deviance.

Better?

Depends on which transition direction you're talking about.

if (FtM) { yes, real women with fake penises }; Under new terms, the call is reversed, still 4th down.

if (MtF) { No, fake women with real penises }; Call upheld. Loss of a timeout.

After full transition (MtF) fake women shouldn't have a real pecker. If so, throw the flag for delay of game for not getting their pecker cut off in a timely manner. If they want to be a fake woman, they should have a fake, useless ****** rather than clinging to their pecker.

I thought we were talking pre-SRS individuals in this thread. Are you speaking about post-SRS?
After the surgery they are legally declared $other_sex. At that point, biology and genetics hold no bearing on the law. Also, the main issue that most people have is specifically the penises in female bathrooms. Interestingly enough I find that most guys could care less if a woman came into the mens bathroom. They'd take a glance, shrug and go about their business. The majority that is screaming 'pedos everywhere' are the middle class bake sale / soccer moms. Women are the largest voting block in the country after all.

Part of me wonders if it really is out of fear of their daughter being molested... and not simply out of anger that a who they see as a male is 'gaming the system' and getting the benefits that are typically reserved for females. Women in generally are that catty/spiteful towards other women that they perceive are doing better than them or are getting more attention than them.

Which restroom would be more appropriate for this individual to use?



Michael Hughes is a transgender male.

Would it cause more of an uproar if he used a men's restroom or a women's restroom?

I'd wager on the latter.

This is a solution in search of a problem. While I think trans people are no different than people who claim they are the messiah or hear voices, this is something that social conservatives are just trying to puff their chests up about.

These people need help...but they gotta pee too.

This is not about bathrooms

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