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(02-25-2017 10:20 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 08:29 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The clinical trials most likely did not allow abuse of the drug and used it appropriately. We have doctors giving this schit out like candy. That was most likely not the way it was done in the trials. I directly blame the doctors for recklessly prescribing these drugs. It seems that they now are finally beginning to address this problem. Too late..but finally.

Agree 100%. This is on the doctors. You here stories about pill mills and doctors with a reputation for handing out scripts for anything. That's flat out criminal.

On the less extreme side, I think a lot of Drs have just been ignorant about how damaging these drugs can be.

I was "lucky" enough to get shingles at the ripe old age of 25. I had just moved to my girlfriends home town, and went to her family physician. He gave me a RX for a high dosage of Ibuprofen and said to call back if that didn't help. It helped some, but was still feeling some pain, so I called back, figuring he might give me a few days worth of the good stuff. I go to the pharmacy and I have 60 Vicodin with 2 refills waiting for me. That's nuts! I probably used 15 for the actual pain and took the rest just for fun. I wasn't even taking them everyday, but even so I definitely felt ****** for a few days after I ran out. Its scary to think what happens to people who have taken that stuff for years and then try to quit.

Glad to see more awareness about this but a lot more needs to be done to fix this epidemic.

I had a similar type situation. I had surgery on my hand at the VA while I was in college. I had a prescription for 50 Lortabs plus a refill waiting on me in the pharmacy as I left. Granted, this was the VA so it could have been a screw up on their part. I think I only took 3 or 4. I guess I'm lucky in that I absolutely hate the feeling of pain meds, but I can understand how people can get hooked on this stuff.
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There are lots of people out there with chronic severe pain that need opiods to manage it. It is very important to have a pain management doctor that works with the patient to avoid many of the pitfalls. For instance, rather than upping the dose there are mental health professionals that can help them better deal with the pain.
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(02-25-2017 09:50 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Opioid addiction is going down in states with legal marijuana, but Jeff Sessions is about to take that away.

Jeff Sessions or not?...Cannabis is here to stay.
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(02-25-2017 11:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The problem of opiod addiction is not as simple as blaming the doctors.

Absolutely there are 'pain management' docs who absolutely abuse people... but the people are there asking for it... often because they were injured in a wreck or on the job and some attorney convinces them this is their golden ticket.

and people want 'magic pills' to deal with their pains... they don't want to lose weight and exercise and eat better and do physical therapy.

EVERY DAY we see dozens of such people in my ED, and 'patient satisfaction' and 'pain management' are key reimbursement components of the aca. I've written several articles about the issue for the JAMA, and of course the politicians TRY and deflect from the issue... and MOST docs 'take their chances' rather than do harm to patients... but the concern is real

I think having a database setup between physicians will stop a lot of the problems we saw with addicts simply going from doc to doc and getting multiple scripts. This was rampant in our area.
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(02-26-2017 12:47 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  There are lots of people out there with chronic severe pain that need opiods to manage it. It is very important to have a pain management doctor that works with the patient to avoid many of the pitfalls. For instance, rather than upping the dose there are mental health professionals that can help them better deal with the pain.

Not just chronic pain. I had a hot tooth pulled last year and got 60 Percocet. Took 2 at a time every few hours for about a week until they were gone. Once gone, the thought of seeking out heroin never crossed my mind. Some people are just week and if it isn't opiods it will be liquor, method, or something else. As I said in an earlier post, at least it isn't crack or something else with a more violent wake.
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(02-26-2017 04:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 12:47 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  There are lots of people out there with chronic severe pain that need opiods to manage it. It is very important to have a pain management doctor that works with the patient to avoid many of the pitfalls. For instance, rather than upping the dose there are mental health professionals that can help them better deal with the pain.

Not just chronic pain. I had a hot tooth pulled last year and got 60 Percocet. Took 2 at a time every few hours for about a week until they were gone. Once gone, the thought of seeking out heroin never crossed my mind. Some people are just week and if it isn't opiods it will be liquor, method, or something else. As I said in an earlier post, at least it isn't crack or something else with a more violent wake.

I took a couple after oral surgery. The next day I took a couple more and they made me feel uncomfortable and jittery. I guess they affect people differently.
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(02-25-2017 09:50 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Opioid addiction is going down in states with legal marijuana, but Jeff Sessions is about to take that away.

utter nonsense.

The two are not even connected.

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(02-25-2017 10:20 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  Agree 100%. This is on the doctors. You here stories about pill mills and doctors with a reputation for handing out scripts for anything. That's flat out criminal.

On the less extreme side, I think a lot of Drs have just been ignorant about how damaging these drugs can be.

I was "lucky" enough to get shingles at the ripe old age of 25. I had just moved to my girlfriends home town, and went to her family physician. He gave me a RX for a high dosage of Ibuprofen and said to call back if that didn't help. It helped some, but was still feeling some pain, so I called back, figuring he might give me a few days worth of the good stuff. I go to the pharmacy and I have 60 Vicodin with 2 refills waiting for me. That's nuts! I probably used 15 for the actual pain and took the rest just for fun. I wasn't even taking them everyday, but even so I definitely felt ****** for a few days after I ran out. Its scary to think what happens to people who have taken that stuff for years and then try to quit.

Glad to see more awareness about this but a lot more needs to be done to fix this epidemic.

I think some personal reflection is in order...
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(02-27-2017 12:40 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 10:20 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  Agree 100%. This is on the doctors. You here stories about pill mills and doctors with a reputation for handing out scripts for anything. That's flat out criminal.

On the less extreme side, I think a lot of Drs have just been ignorant about how damaging these drugs can be.

I was "lucky" enough to get shingles at the ripe old age of 25. I had just moved to my girlfriends home town, and went to her family physician. He gave me a RX for a high dosage of Ibuprofen and said to call back if that didn't help. It helped some, but was still feeling some pain, so I called back, figuring he might give me a few days worth of the good stuff. I go to the pharmacy and I have 60 Vicodin with 2 refills waiting for me. That's nuts! I probably used 15 for the actual pain and took the rest just for fun. I wasn't even taking them everyday, but even so I definitely felt ****** for a few days after I ran out. Its scary to think what happens to people who have taken that stuff for years and then try to quit.

Glad to see more awareness about this but a lot more needs to be done to fix this epidemic.

I think some personal reflection is in order...

I'm not addicted to pain pills.

The point of that story is to illustrate how overprescribed they are. I was given 10x as many pills as was needed. That's something that happens way too often. I saw a doctor one time for 10 minutes, first time in as a patient, and I got 180 pain pills.
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(02-26-2017 12:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 11:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The problem of opiod addiction is not as simple as blaming the doctors.

Absolutely there are 'pain management' docs who absolutely abuse people... but the people are there asking for it... often because they were injured in a wreck or on the job and some attorney convinces them this is their golden ticket.

and people want 'magic pills' to deal with their pains... they don't want to lose weight and exercise and eat better and do physical therapy.

EVERY DAY we see dozens of such people in my ED, and 'patient satisfaction' and 'pain management' are key reimbursement components of the aca. I've written several articles about the issue for the JAMA, and of course the politicians TRY and deflect from the issue... and MOST docs 'take their chances' rather than do harm to patients... but the concern is real

I think having a database setup between physicians will stop a lot of the problems we saw with addicts simply going from doc to doc and getting multiple scripts. This was rampant in our area.

That happens here in Cali and I suspect other places as well... and I think it's a great idea. Of course, then they sometimes cause scenes or file complaints with the state or give bad surveys which can hurt reimbursement when you turn them away. THEN they go to the street where they have no idea what they're getting. It protects the good docs from being tricked, but it doesn't stop the patient or the 'pain management' physicians.

(02-27-2017 12:40 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 10:20 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  Agree 100%. This is on the doctors. You here stories about pill mills and doctors with a reputation for handing out scripts for anything. That's flat out criminal.

On the less extreme side, I think a lot of Drs have just been ignorant about how damaging these drugs can be.

I was "lucky" enough to get shingles at the ripe old age of 25. I had just moved to my girlfriends home town, and went to her family physician. He gave me a RX for a high dosage of Ibuprofen and said to call back if that didn't help. It helped some, but was still feeling some pain, so I called back, figuring he might give me a few days worth of the good stuff. I go to the pharmacy and I have 60 Vicodin with 2 refills waiting for me. That's nuts! I probably used 15 for the actual pain and took the rest just for fun. I wasn't even taking them everyday, but even so I definitely felt ****** for a few days after I ran out. Its scary to think what happens to people who have taken that stuff for years and then try to quit.

Glad to see more awareness about this but a lot more needs to be done to fix this epidemic.

I think some personal reflection is in order...

Great catch, I45.

Taking meds you didn't need 'just for fun' came close to getting you addicted... and let's be honest... MANY people who get hooked on opiods began by taking them 'just for fun'... and yet somehow this is 100% on the doctors?

Some people have addictive personalities. They are at risk for such things, but I don't think there's a reliable blood test for such things.
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(02-26-2017 06:52 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 04:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 12:47 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  There are lots of people out there with chronic severe pain that need opiods to manage it. It is very important to have a pain management doctor that works with the patient to avoid many of the pitfalls. For instance, rather than upping the dose there are mental health professionals that can help them better deal with the pain.

Not just chronic pain. I had a hot tooth pulled last year and got 60 Percocet. Took 2 at a time every few hours for about a week until they were gone. Once gone, the thought of seeking out heroin never crossed my mind. Some people are just week and if it isn't opiods it will be liquor, method, or something else. As I said in an earlier post, at least it isn't crack or something else with a more violent wake.

I took a couple after oral surgery. The next day I took a couple more and they made me feel uncomfortable and jittery. I guess they affect people differently.

I get itchy and get vivid dreams, but if I am in enough pain the benefits outweigh that.
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(02-27-2017 01:35 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 12:40 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 10:20 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  Agree 100%. This is on the doctors. You here stories about pill mills and doctors with a reputation for handing out scripts for anything. That's flat out criminal.

On the less extreme side, I think a lot of Drs have just been ignorant about how damaging these drugs can be.

I was "lucky" enough to get shingles at the ripe old age of 25. I had just moved to my girlfriends home town, and went to her family physician. He gave me a RX for a high dosage of Ibuprofen and said to call back if that didn't help. It helped some, but was still feeling some pain, so I called back, figuring he might give me a few days worth of the good stuff. I go to the pharmacy and I have 60 Vicodin with 2 refills waiting for me. That's nuts! I probably used 15 for the actual pain and took the rest just for fun. I wasn't even taking them everyday, but even so I definitely felt ****** for a few days after I ran out. Its scary to think what happens to people who have taken that stuff for years and then try to quit.

Glad to see more awareness about this but a lot more needs to be done to fix this epidemic.

I think some personal reflection is in order...

I'm not addicted to pain pills.

The point of that story is to illustrate how overprescribed they are. I was given 10x as many pills as was needed. That's something that happens way too often. I saw a doctor one time for 10 minutes, first time in as a patient, and I got 180 pain pills.

I understood your point. But, the problem of prescription abuse is largely personal... you faced a choice of taking those drugs for recreational use, and you took the opportunity to do so. If you had become addicted to the drug, it would be disingenuous for you to blame the doctor (unless he said, here... have some fun when he gave you the script), or to blame the government, or anyone else but yourself.

Individuals lie to doctors in order to abuse drugs. They game the system by going to multiple providers in order to do so. Doctors and insurance companies have measures to try to prevent people from abusing drugs, but in most (perhaps not all) cases, there is ultimately a large degree of personal responsibility that is to blame.
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(02-27-2017 01:40 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 12:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 11:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The problem of opiod addiction is not as simple as blaming the doctors.

Absolutely there are 'pain management' docs who absolutely abuse people... but the people are there asking for it... often because they were injured in a wreck or on the job and some attorney convinces them this is their golden ticket.

and people want 'magic pills' to deal with their pains... they don't want to lose weight and exercise and eat better and do physical therapy.

EVERY DAY we see dozens of such people in my ED, and 'patient satisfaction' and 'pain management' are key reimbursement components of the aca. I've written several articles about the issue for the JAMA, and of course the politicians TRY and deflect from the issue... and MOST docs 'take their chances' rather than do harm to patients... but the concern is real

I think having a database setup between physicians will stop a lot of the problems we saw with addicts simply going from doc to doc and getting multiple scripts. This was rampant in our area.

That happens here in Cali and I suspect other places as well... and I think it's a great idea. Of course, then they sometimes cause scenes or file complaints with the state or give bad surveys which can hurt reimbursement when you turn them away. THEN they go to the street where they have no idea what they're getting. It protects the good docs from being tricked, but it doesn't stop the patient or the 'pain management' physicians.

(02-27-2017 12:40 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 10:20 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  Agree 100%. This is on the doctors. You here stories about pill mills and doctors with a reputation for handing out scripts for anything. That's flat out criminal.

On the less extreme side, I think a lot of Drs have just been ignorant about how damaging these drugs can be.

I was "lucky" enough to get shingles at the ripe old age of 25. I had just moved to my girlfriends home town, and went to her family physician. He gave me a RX for a high dosage of Ibuprofen and said to call back if that didn't help. It helped some, but was still feeling some pain, so I called back, figuring he might give me a few days worth of the good stuff. I go to the pharmacy and I have 60 Vicodin with 2 refills waiting for me. That's nuts! I probably used 15 for the actual pain and took the rest just for fun. I wasn't even taking them everyday, but even so I definitely felt ****** for a few days after I ran out. Its scary to think what happens to people who have taken that stuff for years and then try to quit.

Glad to see more awareness about this but a lot more needs to be done to fix this epidemic.

I think some personal reflection is in order...

Great catch, I45.

Taking meds you didn't need 'just for fun' came close to getting you addicted... and let's be honest... MANY people who get hooked on opiods began by taking them 'just for fun'... and yet somehow this is 100% on the doctors?

Some people have addictive personalities. They are at risk for such things, but I don't think there's a reliable blood test for such things.

Reread the quote. I didn't say this was 100% on the doctors.

Doctors who over prescribe these medications have to be held accountable though. Sure there is personal responsibility for the patient as well, and there will be cases where a patient goes from doctor to doctor. I'm not talking about that.

I mentioned West Virginia. There were tens of millions of opioids sent there over a 6 year period. 400 for every man, woman, and child in the state. That's a travesty. And it's not all on the doctors, but they certainly share a large portion of the blame.
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(02-27-2017 01:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
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(02-26-2017 04:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 12:47 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  There are lots of people out there with chronic severe pain that need opiods to manage it. It is very important to have a pain management doctor that works with the patient to avoid many of the pitfalls. For instance, rather than upping the dose there are mental health professionals that can help them better deal with the pain.

Not just chronic pain. I had a hot tooth pulled last year and got 60 Percocet. Took 2 at a time every few hours for about a week until they were gone. Once gone, the thought of seeking out heroin never crossed my mind. Some people are just week and if it isn't opiods it will be liquor, method, or something else. As I said in an earlier post, at least it isn't crack or something else with a more violent wake.

I took a couple after oral surgery. The next day I took a couple more and they made me feel uncomfortable and jittery. I guess they affect people differently.

I get itchy and get vivid dreams, but if I am in enough pain the benefits outweigh that.

I get both uncomfortable & jittery and itchy with vivid dreams when I take them, and it usually takes me a week to get back to feeling normal. I've gotten to the point where I'll ask the Dr to prescribe me something else first to try and only fall back on the opiods if I absolutely have to.
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Quote:Agree 100%. This is on the doctors. You here stories about pill mills and doctors with a reputation for handing out scripts for anything. That's flat out criminal.

On the less extreme side, I think a lot of Drs have just been ignorant about how damaging these drugs can be.

I was "lucky" enough to get shingles at the ripe old age of 25. I had just moved to my girlfriends home town, and went to her family physician. He gave me a RX for a high dosage of Ibuprofen and said to call back if that didn't help. It helped some, but was still feeling some pain, so I called back, figuring he might give me a few days worth of the good stuff. I go to the pharmacy and I have 60 Vicodin with 2 refills waiting for me. That's nuts! I probably used 15 for the actual pain and took the rest just for fun. I wasn't even taking them everyday, but even so I definitely felt ****** for a few days after I ran out. Its scary to think what happens to people who have taken that stuff for years and then try to quit.

Glad to see more awareness about this but a lot more needs to be done to fix this epidemic.
Reread the quote. I didn't say this was 100% on the doctors.

Doctors who over prescribe these medications have to be held accountable though. Sure there is personal responsibility for the patient as well, and there will be cases where a patient goes from doctor to doctor. I'm not talking about that.

I mentioned West Virginia. There were tens of millions of opioids sent there over a 6 year period. 400 for every man, woman, and child in the state. That's a travesty. And it's not all on the doctors, but they certainly share a large portion of the blame.

Do you really think that's a meaningful correction?

You said 'This is on the doctors' and then proceeded to say you took pills the physician prescribed you 'just for fun' without saying that you were in any way at fault. You KNOW you aren't required to get any refills, and in fact if prescribed 60, you can request instead a smaller number... right? You just can't get MORE on that prescription.... Thus you could have asked for 15 and still had 2 more prescriptions to fill of up to 60 each.

I know you said 100% in one sentence, and 'on the doctors' in another... but only in THIS paragraph did you blame anyone but the doctors.

Actually, a significant PART of this lies in the hands of the legal community and society. One reason many people get prescribed pain medication from 'pill mills'/bad docs (aka pain management facilities) is that lawyers want them to do this to pad their claims when they sue, or people want to get on disability... and 'if you're in such pain that you can't work, why aren't you on prescription meds?' is an obvious retort. West Virginia has lots of things working against it in this regard. Poor economy, poor education, lots of legal (mostly Federal/environmental) issues, high unemployment etc etc etc. Disability (unless you're actually disabled) is a WHOLE lot better than unemployment.

Seriously... If you have debilitating pain but are at risk for opiod abuse so you decline to take them, you have almost no chance of collecting disability.

So what is the doc supposed to do?

Sure, there are a few horrible docs, but I think there are far more horrible people (by percentage). It's fairly easy to catch bad docs these days.
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(02-26-2017 07:20 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(02-26-2017 02:42 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(02-25-2017 09:50 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Opioid addiction is going down in states with legal marijuana, but Jeff Sessions is about to take that away.

utter nonsense.

The two are not even connected.

Damn. 03-confused

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Yea, okay. I'd be pretty interested to see how statistically significant this "reduction" really is. 6 people over a 30 yr period?

Quote:Montana, for instance, had a 1.7 percent reduction in the number of people who tested positive for opioids after its medical marijuana law went into effect.

What I was really getting at wasn't so much those treating chronic pain and choosing pot over Oxy. I'm saying for those already in the throes and clutches of heroin or other opioid addiction legalizing dope isn't gonna reduce that number, probably at all, and certainly isn't gonna help them out.

BUT, if your goal is to try to get more folks headed down that path, then by all means, let's legalize it everywhere. That should be great.
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Quote:Agree 100%. This is on the doctors. You here stories about pill mills and doctors with a reputation for handing out scripts for anything. That's flat out criminal.

On the less extreme side, I think a lot of Drs have just been ignorant about how damaging these drugs can be.

I was "lucky" enough to get shingles at the ripe old age of 25. I had just moved to my girlfriends home town, and went to her family physician. He gave me a RX for a high dosage of Ibuprofen and said to call back if that didn't help. It helped some, but was still feeling some pain, so I called back, figuring he might give me a few days worth of the good stuff. I go to the pharmacy and I have 60 Vicodin with 2 refills waiting for me. That's nuts! I probably used 15 for the actual pain and took the rest just for fun. I wasn't even taking them everyday, but even so I definitely felt ****** for a few days after I ran out. Its scary to think what happens to people who have taken that stuff for years and then try to quit.

Glad to see more awareness about this but a lot more needs to be done to fix this epidemic.
Reread the quote. I didn't say this was 100% on the doctors.

Doctors who over prescribe these medications have to be held accountable though. Sure there is personal responsibility for the patient as well, and there will be cases where a patient goes from doctor to doctor. I'm not talking about that.

I mentioned West Virginia. There were tens of millions of opioids sent there over a 6 year period. 400 for every man, woman, and child in the state. That's a travesty. And it's not all on the doctors, but they certainly share a large portion of the blame.

Do you really think that's a meaningful correction?

You said 'This is on the doctors' and then proceeded to say you took pills the physician prescribed you 'just for fun' without saying that you were in any way at fault. You KNOW you aren't required to get any refills, and in fact if prescribed 60, you can request instead a smaller number... right? You just can't get MORE on that prescription.... Thus you could have asked for 15 and still had 2 more prescriptions to fill of up to 60 each.

I know you said 100% in one sentence, and 'on the doctors' in another... but only in THIS paragraph did you blame anyone but the doctors.

Actually, a significant PART of this lies in the hands of the legal community and society. One reason many people get prescribed pain medication from 'pill mills'/bad docs (aka pain management facilities) is that lawyers want them to do this to pad their claims when they sue, or people want to get on disability... and 'if you're in such pain that you can't work, why aren't you on prescription meds?' is an obvious retort. West Virginia has lots of things working against it in this regard. Poor economy, poor education, lots of legal (mostly Federal/environmental) issues, high unemployment etc etc etc. Disability (unless you're actually disabled) is a WHOLE lot better than unemployment.

Seriously... If you have debilitating pain but are at risk for opiod abuse so you decline to take them, you have almost no chance of collecting disability.

So what is the doc supposed to do?

Sure, there are a few horrible docs, but I think there are far more horrible people (by percentage). It's fairly easy to catch bad docs these days.

See post #11. I've never, at any point in this thread, said this was 100% on doctors. Do I think they share a good portion of the blame for the current epidemic? Yes.

You keep harping on my example. That was just a personal example of how easy it was to get pain meds that weren't needed. If I had become addicted to opioids because I took those for fun, that would be my fault. Happy?

You are right, nobody is forced to take what a doctor prescribes them. That line of reasoning can be used in every case where a doctor has ever prescribed anything. If it's all about personal responsibility, why not just go full libertarian and legalize these drugs for over the counter sales?

I honestly don't know how to respond to the part about West Virginia. You are saying that opioids are flowing into that state to pad a bunch of frivolous lawsuits and disability claims? I don't think that's true. If it is, sure the lawyers are to blame.... as are the doctors who are prescribing unneeded meds.
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