(02-24-2017 07:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:01 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 06:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I get it...those opposed to him want to basically BAR him from participation in public life.

That's a straw man.

And I'd add that testosterone supplementation is either banned or VERY tightly regulated in every professional sport. So what you should be advocating for here is research and policy into what amount of supplementation of estrogen/testosterone is acceptable for a transgendered athlete while not conveying a competitive advantage.

So a blanket ban on Trans people in sports?

Basically a ban on participation. No stigma in being banned from sports in high school, huh?

There's always an excuse to abuse the Trans person, it seems.

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And the anti-Trans folks don't believe in any science anyway. And to humiliate and abuse Trans kids for 20 or 30 years until the research that those opposed to them wont accept anyway is just another form of abuse.

Would you like a Jump To Conclusions Mat from Office Space with that wild extrapolation of what I said?

(02-24-2017 08:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:50 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:25 PM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And in the meantime, the Trans person gets stigmitized and abused.

Sometimes life sucks.

Sometimes hateful Republicans want to make life needlessly suck for LGBT persons, out of pure malevolence.

Sometimes Gay people and Trannies make mountains out of molehills for attention.

Some straight people (all the time) who will never face one iota of discrimination, ignore the real impact of their bigotry against LGBT persons.

When being LGBT in school doesn't result in any marginalization you can talk about molehills.

And we're talking about sports too. So I expect you to ignore any cancellations of sporting events, because sporting events are just molehills to you.....oh wait....its only a molehill when the LGBT person gets discriminated against....right?

Many of you whine worse than the Berkeley Womyns Empathy Collective when the NBA moves a basketball game.....

EVERYBODY gets marginalized at some time or another. And sometimes it doesn't have a thing to do with the color of your skin or your sexual orientation or your gender. Most people done whine to the government. They move on.

(02-24-2017 08:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:50 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:25 PM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And in the meantime, the Trans person gets stigmitized and abused.

Sometimes life sucks.

Sometimes hateful Republicans want to make life needlessly suck for LGBT persons, out of pure malevolence.

Sometimes Gay people and Trannies make mountains out of molehills for attention.

Some straight people (all the time) who will never face one iota of discrimination, ignore the real impact of their bigotry against LGBT persons.

When being LGBT in school doesn't result in any marginalization you can talk about molehills.

And we're talking about sports too. So I expect you to ignore any cancellations of sporting events, because sporting events are just molehills to you.....oh wait....its only a molehill when the LGBT person gets discriminated against....right?

Many of you whine worse than the Berkeley Womyns Empathy Collective when the NBA moves a basketball game.....

So how do you feel about the WNBA and the straight woman who was bullied? Don't remember you commenting on that thread.

My niece was very good at soccer, but didn't want any part of the lesbian culture in college soccer (and she's a liberal). Straight people can be marginalized too.

(02-24-2017 07:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  So a blanket ban on Trans people in sports?

Basically a ban on participation. No stigma in being banned from sports in high school, huh?

There's always an excuse to abuse the Trans person, it seems.

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And the anti-Trans folks don't believe in any science anyway. And to humiliate and abuse Trans kids for 20 or 30 years until the research that those opposed to them wont accept anyway is just another form of abuse.

with the help of their parents they humiliate themselves. hopefully she/he/it whatever moves to the boys division soon for some more humiliation. is that really what you want? she isn't a male and never will be no matter how much skin grafting they do for a fake, nonfunctional dick.

If you remove the possibility of children being transexual, then you don't have any school issues. A simple solution to all of these recently concocted issues involving transexual children is to make it illegal to facilitate any sexual reassignment until the child reaches adulthood. People are taking the momentary feelings of impressionable children and allowing them to make permanent decisions. I can't think of another comparable circumstance in which minors are permitted to make permanent life-altering choices before reaching an age considered to be acceptable to make such a decision. If a person reaches adulthood and they want to mutilate their bodies, then they have at least reached an age that they can be thought to have made an informed choice. Allowing these procedures to take place or hormone treatments to be taken prior to adulthood constitutes child abuse in its most basic form.

I wonder why these things never came up 50, 40, even 20 years ago. Could it be that the push to normalize all behaviors found easy targets in impressionable children? I don't see thousands of older adults rushing to clinics to have their sex changed. Why would this phenomena be mostly found in the most leftist communities in our country? I would think that if this trans thing was normal, you would have relatively equal numbers of people seeking the procedure across age demographics and in all areas of the country. However, the vast majority of those espousing the trans life choice, as well as most of the other bizarre "gender fluid" categories, seem to be between high school and college aged kids. I believe that it is simply this generation's equivalence to beatniks, flower children, hippies, emo, goth, grunge, etc. It's their statement of separation from the norm and a break from parental mores. Every generation of young people rebel in some way, but this seems to be the first to do so in a manner in which there is no turning back. Truly sad.

It's a zero sum game. To give trans people "rights," which isn't a fair word to use anyways, you must take from others.

When you see it in that light it becomes obvious that the majority must rule. It doesn't come from a point of cruelty, but of pragmatism.

(02-24-2017 06:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  He wants to compete as a man. The state of Texas says he is female. So he is competing where Texas says he must.

I get it...those opposed to him want to basically BAR him from participation in public life.

No man in that tournament is allowed to does themselves with Testosterone, true or false?

(02-24-2017 07:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:01 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  [quote='Tom in Lazybrook' pid='14118766' dateline='1487980555']
I get it...those opposed to him want to basically BAR him from participation in public life.

That's a straw man.

And I'd add that testosterone supplementation is either banned or VERY tightly regulated in every professional sport. So what you should be advocating for here is research and policy into what amount of supplementation of estrogen/testosterone is acceptable for a transgendered athlete while not conveying a competitive advantage.

So a blanket ban on Trans people in sports?

Basically a ban on participation. No stigma in being banned from sports in high school, huh?

There's always an excuse to abuse the Trans person, it seems.[/qoute]

I've always been for letting girls (whether they think they are men or not) compete in mens sports. Just not with what amounts to steroids in their systems.

(02-24-2017 07:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:18 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:01 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 06:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I get it...those opposed to him want to basically BAR him from participation in public life.

That's a straw man.

And I'd add that testosterone supplementation is either banned or VERY tightly regulated in every professional sport. So what you should be advocating for here is research and policy into what amount of supplementation of estrogen/testosterone is acceptable for a transgendered athlete while not conveying a competitive advantage.

So a blanket ban on Trans people in sports?

Basically a ban on participation. No stigma in being banned from sports in high school, huh?

There's always an excuse to abuse the Trans person, it seems.

In nowhere in his response did he say that. He said they need to research what's acceptable and not give a competitive edge to any transitioning athlete.

And in the meantime, the Trans person gets stigmitized and abused.

Or they could not take the suppliments while they are competing...

(02-24-2017 11:41 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  A simple solution to all of these recently concocted issues involving transexual children is to make it illegal to facilitate any sexual reassignment until the child reaches adulthood.

13yo child: Can I drive?
Adult: No, you're too young.

13yo child: Can I drink alcohol?
Adult: No, you're too young.

13yo child: Can I vote?
Adult: No, you're too young.

13yo child: Can I sign up for the military?
Adult: No, you're too young.

13yo child: Can I get married?
Adult: No, you're too young.

13yo child: Can I own a gun?
Adult: No, you're too young.

13yo child: Can I live on my own?
Adult: No, you're too young.

13yo child: Can I choose not to go to school?
Adult: No, you're too young.

13yo child: Can I make my own decisions about my medical care if I'm injured?
Adult: No, you're too young.

13yo child: I'm a $other_sex, can I take drugs that will have an irrevocable impact on my body and completely change my developing body's horomones and impact my entire life's future and medical care?
Adult: Why of course, I wouldn't want to 'oppress' and 'abuse' you.

Ok, OK. I think you have run Tom off. The performance enhancing drug angle should have been the end of the discussion. Try to go to the Olympics with that crap in your system. The post above should be the nail in the coffin. The whole, your imagination should stay there thing.

(02-24-2017 11:57 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 06:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  He wants to compete as a man. The state of Texas says he is female. So he is competing where Texas says he must.

I get it...those opposed to him want to basically BAR him from participation in public life.

No man in that tournament is allowed to does themselves with Testosterone, true or false?

In a world where the owner of the WWE (steroids) can get appointed to a cabinet level position? Nah.

(02-24-2017 10:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 08:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:50 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:25 PM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  Sometimes life sucks.

Sometimes hateful Republicans want to make life needlessly suck for LGBT persons, out of pure malevolence.

Sometimes Gay people and Trannies make mountains out of molehills for attention.

Some straight people (all the time) who will never face one iota of discrimination, ignore the real impact of their bigotry against LGBT persons.

When being LGBT in school doesn't result in any marginalization you can talk about molehills.

And we're talking about sports too. So I expect you to ignore any cancellations of sporting events, because sporting events are just molehills to you.....oh wait....its only a molehill when the LGBT person gets discriminated against....right?

Many of you whine worse than the Berkeley Womyns Empathy Collective when the NBA moves a basketball game.....

EVERYBODY gets marginalized at some time or another. And sometimes it doesn't have a thing to do with the color of your skin or your sexual orientation or your gender. Most people done whine to the government. They move on.

Trans kids get marginalized ALL THE TIME.

(02-24-2017 11:41 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  If you remove the possibility of children being transexual, then you don't have any school issues. A simple solution to all of these recently concocted issues involving transexual children is to make it illegal to facilitate any sexual reassignment until the child reaches adulthood. People are taking the momentary feelings of impressionable children and allowing them to make permanent decisions. I can't think of another comparable circumstance in which minors are permitted to make permanent life-altering choices before reaching an age considered to be acceptable to make such a decision. If a person reaches adulthood and they want to mutilate their bodies, then they have at least reached an age that they can be thought to have made an informed choice. Allowing these procedures to take place or hormone treatments to be taken prior to adulthood constitutes child abuse in its most basic form.

I wonder why these things never came up 50, 40, even 20 years ago. Could it be that the push to normalize all behaviors found easy targets in impressionable children? I don't see thousands of older adults rushing to clinics to have their sex changed. Why would this phenomena be mostly found in the most leftist communities in our country? I would think that if this trans thing was normal, you would have relatively equal numbers of people seeking the procedure across age demographics and in all areas of the country. However, the vast majority of those espousing the trans life choice, as well as most of the other bizarre "gender fluid" categories, seem to be between high school and college aged kids. I believe that it is simply this generation's equivalence to beatniks, flower children, hippies, emo, goth, grunge, etc. It's their statement of separation from the norm and a break from parental mores. Every generation of young people rebel in some way, but this seems to be the first to do so in a manner in which there is no turning back. Truly sad.

Zombie just summed up the whole opposition to this child. They don't want him to exist as a person. That's why they oppose him using the bathroom, competing in teams, support employment discrimination against him in private and taxpayer employment, etc..

(02-24-2017 10:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 08:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:50 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:25 PM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  Sometimes life sucks.

Sometimes hateful Republicans want to make life needlessly suck for LGBT persons, out of pure malevolence.

Sometimes Gay people and Trannies make mountains out of molehills for attention.

Some straight people (all the time) who will never face one iota of discrimination, ignore the real impact of their bigotry against LGBT persons.

When being LGBT in school doesn't result in any marginalization you can talk about molehills.

And we're talking about sports too. So I expect you to ignore any cancellations of sporting events, because sporting events are just molehills to you.....oh wait....its only a molehill when the LGBT person gets discriminated against....right?

Many of you whine worse than the Berkeley Womyns Empathy Collective when the NBA moves a basketball game.....

So how do you feel about the WNBA and the straight woman who was bullied? Don't remember you commenting on that thread.

She was still allowed to participate. And she clearly lied about the number of lesbians in the league.

(02-25-2017 10:05 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 10:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 08:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:50 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Sometimes hateful Republicans want to make life needlessly suck for LGBT persons, out of pure malevolence.

Sometimes Gay people and Trannies make mountains out of molehills for attention.

Some straight people (all the time) who will never face one iota of discrimination, ignore the real impact of their bigotry against LGBT persons.

When being LGBT in school doesn't result in any marginalization you can talk about molehills.

And we're talking about sports too. So I expect you to ignore any cancellations of sporting events, because sporting events are just molehills to you.....oh wait....its only a molehill when the LGBT person gets discriminated against....right?

Many of you whine worse than the Berkeley Womyns Empathy Collective when the NBA moves a basketball game.....

So how do you feel about the WNBA and the straight woman who was bullied? Don't remember you commenting on that thread.

She was still allowed to participate. And she clearly lied about the number of lesbians in the league.

She exaggerated.

But you made my point. You just condoned bullying as long as it isn't to you.

(02-25-2017 01:12 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  Ok, OK. I think you have run Tom off. The performance enhancing drug angle should have been the end of the discussion. Try to go to the Olympics with that crap in your system. The post above should be the nail in the coffin. The whole, your imagination should stay there thing.

I tend to agree. She should have remained female and wrestled without complication.

(02-25-2017 10:13 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 10:05 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 10:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 08:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:50 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Sometimes Gay people and Trannies make mountains out of molehills for attention.

Some straight people (all the time) who will never face one iota of discrimination, ignore the real impact of their bigotry against LGBT persons.

When being LGBT in school doesn't result in any marginalization you can talk about molehills.

And we're talking about sports too. So I expect you to ignore any cancellations of sporting events, because sporting events are just molehills to you.....oh wait....its only a molehill when the LGBT person gets discriminated against....right?

Many of you whine worse than the Berkeley Womyns Empathy Collective when the NBA moves a basketball game.....

So how do you feel about the WNBA and the straight woman who was bullied? Don't remember you commenting on that thread.

She was still allowed to participate. And she clearly lied about the number of lesbians in the league.

She exaggerated.

But you made my point. You just condoned bullying as long as it isn't to you.

We're not talking about bullying. If it is true than it should be condemned.

What we're talking about here is a desire by many to BAR this child from competing, period.

(02-25-2017 10:16 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 10:13 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 10:05 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 10:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 08:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Some straight people (all the time) who will never face one iota of discrimination, ignore the real impact of their bigotry against LGBT persons.

When being LGBT in school doesn't result in any marginalization you can talk about molehills.

And we're talking about sports too. So I expect you to ignore any cancellations of sporting events, because sporting events are just molehills to you.....oh wait....its only a molehill when the LGBT person gets discriminated against....right?

Many of you whine worse than the Berkeley Womyns Empathy Collective when the NBA moves a basketball game.....

So how do you feel about the WNBA and the straight woman who was bullied? Don't remember you commenting on that thread.

She was still allowed to participate. And she clearly lied about the number of lesbians in the league.

She exaggerated.

But you made my point. You just condoned bullying as long as it isn't to you.

We're not talking about bullying. If it is true than it should be condemned.

What we're talking about here is a desire by many to BAR this child from competing, period.

I actually have no problem with allowing her to wrestle in the male division ...but...by taking male hormones she essentially caused her own problem. This is another in a long list of "actions have consequences" items. If wrestling was so important? Why jeopardize that now?