(02-24-2017 08:04 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:52 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:50 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:38 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Again he didn't do what was necessary to prevent this. Not our problem.

Are you sure about that? The process isn't exactly quick. It took my grandmother over 10 years to become a citizen and she was a 'legal' resident. I can only imagine the length of time if you're here illegally.

Yes he was eluding authorities it's safe to say he wasn't on the right side of the law.

While it's in process I doubt you're hiding or risk being deported.

He was eluding because he had a family to look out for. I mean c'mon man. Where's the line? Because I don't see one. Y'all can't hide behind the "oh, but only violent criminals are being deported," any longer. That's a bull**** excuse to hide behind and you all know it. Just say how you feel, you want everyone out, even visa holders.

My mother in law is scared to **** that her resident visa will be revoked. She's here legally, but she's not a citizen, three American kids and a widow to her American husband. But I'm sure you don't care, I'm sure all of you want her out too right? Her anchor family (as you all put it) are not dependent on her anymore. Everyone right? Damn to hell your status? American only can be here, Don't give me your poor, tired , non-white right? Because that's where it's leading. You can deny it all you want, until the new EO comes out.. then you all can come out of your closets with your boots ready to kick EVERYONE out, right?

I often agree with many of you on MANY issues. Just check my rep. But not here, I won't sit by and be silent at all this commentary.

You need to tell your Mother-in-law to quit watching CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC and reading NYT and WaPo. Then she wouldn't have those fears for no real reason. Quit believing the lies the MSM tells.

My friend married a Canadian in Jamaica. 10 years later and his ass got deported back to Canada. Why? Cause he didn't get his paperwork straight just like this guy.

The end.

(02-24-2017 08:04 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:52 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:50 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:38 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Again he didn't do what was necessary to prevent this. Not our problem.

Are you sure about that? The process isn't exactly quick. It took my grandmother over 10 years to become a citizen and she was a 'legal' resident. I can only imagine the length of time if you're here illegally.

Yes he was eluding authorities it's safe to say he wasn't on the right side of the law.

While it's in process I doubt you're hiding or risk being deported.

He was eluding because he had a family to look out for. I mean c'mon man. Where's the line? Because I don't see one. Y'all can't hide behind the "oh, but only violent criminals are being deported," any longer. That's a bull**** excuse to hide behind and you all know it. Just say how you feel, you want everyone out, even visa holders.

My mother in law is scared to **** that her resident visa will be revoked. She's here legally, but she's not a citizen, three American kids and a widow to her American husband. But I'm sure you don't care, I'm sure all of you want her out too right? Her anchor family (as you all put it) are not dependent on her anymore. Everyone right? Damn to hell your status? American only can be here, Don't give me your poor, tired , non-white right? Because that's where it's leading. You can deny it all you want, until the new EO comes out.. then you all can come out of your closets with your boots ready to kick EVERYONE out, right?

I often agree with many of you on MANY issues. Just check my rep. But not here, I won't sit by and be silent at all this commentary.

Uhhhh, I've not read one post further than this, yet.

But, no. "All of you" doesn't apply here.

Not one chance in hell would your MIL even be in the line to be tossed, and pretty sure NO ONE is suggesting same.

I'll just guess with the boots comment you've gotten a bit carried away. It'd be a scant few that would back throwing someone in the situation you describe out.

This guy? He'd been ordered before, over a decade ago. Your Granma? Doesn't seem so.

For those of you who have screamed 'deport him', I'd like to ask the following:

1) I don't want you guys to claim any preference for a family with a mother and a father, because you guys don't appear to do so. Remember, the kids are American, they aren't leaving the country, and due to the DJT Administration's policies, will grow up without a mother and a father. Right now, the DJT Admin/GOP wants to allow taxpayer funds to go to adoption agencies that won't place kids with LGBT parents, claiming a preference for a mother and a father. But if the American kid has a parent who isn't American, apparently that isn't the case.

2) Don't talk to me about 'family values'. You have a father trying to support his American family. But apparently those are not family values.

3) Don't blame the lack of family structure in certain communities of color on that community if you support actions designed to arbitrarily break up American families.

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Barring any new information, there's no compelling reason to deport this person. All you're going to do is to cost the taxpayers money (as the state will probably have to help the mother pay for her American kids), break up a family, have kids be raised with only one parent, etc. And over what....the fact that a 20 year old didn't fill out a form?

(02-25-2017 09:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For those of you who have screamed 'deport him', I'd like to ask the following:

1) I don't want you guys to claim any preference for a family with a mother and a father, because you guys don't appear to do so. Remember, the kids are American, they aren't leaving the country, and due to the DJT Administration's policies, will grow up without a mother and a father. Right now, the DJT Admin/GOP wants to allow taxpayer funds to go to adoption agencies that won't place kids with LGBT parents, claiming a preference for a mother and a father. But if the American kid has a parent who isn't American, apparently that isn't the case.

2) Don't talk to me about 'family values'. You have a father trying to support his American family. But apparently those are not family values.

3) Don't blame the lack of family structure in certain communities of color on that community if you support actions designed to arbitrarily break up American families.

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Barring any new information, there's no compelling reason to deport this person. All you're going to do is to cost the taxpayers money (as the state will probably have to help the mother pay for her American kids), break up a family, have kids be raised with only one parent, etc. And over what....the fact that a 20 year old didn't fill out a form?

He was ordered deported and fled. Compelling reason to deport him.

(02-24-2017 08:04 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:52 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:50 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:38 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Again he didn't do what was necessary to prevent this. Not our problem.

Are you sure about that? The process isn't exactly quick. It took my grandmother over 10 years to become a citizen and she was a 'legal' resident. I can only imagine the length of time if you're here illegally.

Yes he was eluding authorities it's safe to say he wasn't on the right side of the law.

While it's in process I doubt you're hiding or risk being deported.

He was eluding because he had a family to look out for. I mean c'mon man. Where's the line? Because I don't see one. Y'all can't hide behind the "oh, but only violent criminals are being deported," any longer. That's a bull**** excuse to hide behind and you all know it. Just say how you feel, you want everyone out, even visa holders.

My mother in law is scared to **** that her resident visa will be revoked. She's here legally, but she's not a citizen, three American kids and a widow to her American husband. But I'm sure you don't care, I'm sure all of you want her out too right? Her anchor family (as you all put it) are not dependent on her anymore. Everyone right? Damn to hell your status? American only can be here, Don't give me your poor, tired , non-white right? Because that's where it's leading. You can deny it all you want, until the new EO comes out.. then you all can come out of your closets with your boots ready to kick EVERYONE out, right?

I often agree with many of you on MANY issues. Just check my rep. But not here, I won't sit by and be silent at all this commentary.

Wow! You just went full Tom with this post. I don't need to tell you how that ends, do I?

(02-25-2017 09:57 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  For those of you who have screamed 'deport him', I'd like to ask the following:

1) I don't want you guys to claim any preference for a family with a mother and a father, because you guys don't appear to do so. Remember, the kids are American, they aren't leaving the country, and due to the DJT Administration's policies, will grow up without a mother and a father. Right now, the DJT Admin/GOP wants to allow taxpayer funds to go to adoption agencies that won't place kids with LGBT parents, claiming a preference for a mother and a father. But if the American kid has a parent who isn't American, apparently that isn't the case.

2) Don't talk to me about 'family values'. You have a father trying to support his American family. But apparently those are not family values.

3) Don't blame the lack of family structure in certain communities of color on that community if you support actions designed to arbitrarily break up American families.

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Barring any new information, there's no compelling reason to deport this person. All you're going to do is to cost the taxpayers money (as the state will probably have to help the mother pay for her American kids), break up a family, have kids be raised with only one parent, etc. And over what....the fact that a 20 year old didn't fill out a form?

1. This doesn't have anything to do with lgbt. Don't conflate issues.
2. So should we not punish drug dealer if he has a family because he was "trying to support them". Also, he was notified in 2006. The articles don't state the ages of his kids, but they appear to be under 10, meaning he had been ordered deported prior to having kids.
3. It's not that simple. Wife - American citizen, Kids - American citizen, Father - illegal immigrant. This isn't 'arbitrarily' breaking up and American family.

Bottom line is that he has had 11 years to obtain a legal status here. He has an American wife, it shouldn't take 11 years to get that taken care of. IF he had been diligently working to become a US citizen for 11 years straight I would be much more inclined to defend him. That doesn't appear to be the case.

(02-24-2017 09:32 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 09:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 09:19 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 09:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 09:03 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  No. Because he had a DUI. This father did not. Avoiding deportation so you can father your children is not even remotely equivalent to drinking and driving.

Here's a propo. Let's deport that schmuck who put lives in danger by drinking and driving and not deport the guy who just wants to stay and support his family.

I'm for deporting them both.

Here's a propo for you. How about if people want to come to this country they do so legally then they have nothing to worry about. If they don't come here legally then they accept the fact that if caught they'll be deported.

That's great. But your propo leaves out the kids who didn't "decide" to come here. And know nothing but how to live here and not in a gang infested crime ridden country.

Then take it up with the parents who chose to have children while being fully aware they are subject to being deported. THAT'S he responsible party here, not the government and not the citizens. The subject in the OP is fully responsible for the situation that he and his wife put the children in.

And what of legal residents like my mother in law who's a widow with no more dependents and pretty much a senior? Shall her visa be revoked and she be sent packing? You can't tell me with a straight face that Trump won't want that.

As long as she keeps her paperwork in order, she will be fine. If she decides that she aint got time to ensure her residency here remains valid, then thats on her. If you would like to see her not get into that quagmire, then I would suggest spending some time with her and her affairs to ensure she doesnt ignore what she needs to be doing. Do that, instead of just walloring around being afraid. Do what you are suppoesd to do. Be accountable, and everything will be fine.