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RE: Big 12 expansion revisited
(02-23-2017 09:57 AM)f1do Wrote:  
(02-22-2017 12:02 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  I think the option of going to the basement and getting your genitals electroshocked to chase away the gay would give BYU an unfair recruiting advantage. And if you're gay and kill yourself (which 24% of current BYU LGBT students reporting having attempted) then you will be turned straight in the afterlife (just like brown people will become "white and delightsome"). Sounds like a really good deal to me, and I can't understand why the BigXII would want to avoid that association.

Origin of these statistics on suicide attemps of BYU LGBT students? Source or you are full of it. Coming from a Utah fan that is the only logical conclusion.

http://universe.byu.edu/2017/01/20/lgbt-...-suicide1/

Utah has double the teen suicide rate and you see no correlation to the wacky BYU policies? Mormon's are generally nice people but they are stuck somewhere between scientologists and Baptists on the wacky train. Golden plates, um okay.
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02-23-2017 03:30 PM
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RE: Big 12 expansion revisited
(02-23-2017 11:45 AM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  
(02-23-2017 09:57 AM)f1do Wrote:  Origin of these statistics on suicide attemps of BYU LGBT students? Source or you are full of it. Coming from a Utah fan that is the only logical conclusion.

It was in the BYU newspaper:

http://universe.byu.edu/2017/01/20/lgbt-...-suicide1/

That is unacceptable. There's no question that this problem is especially pronounced in conservative, religious cultures. Like ours. We have to own that. BYU can do better.

OTOH, I thought it was common knowledge that a higher LGBT suicide rate wasn't a problem unique to BYU. That's why I initially ignored jr's irresponsible troll. Maybe some context is in order:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06...98035.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2...899a8b7586

So if you want to lower teen LGBT suicides (and young adults) stop discriminating against them...

So until BYU changes their Honor Code to allow same-sex marriage, their is going to be a suicide problem at BYU.

And another reason to shun BYU.
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RE: Big 12 expansion revisited
(02-23-2017 03:22 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  I don't really see why current Big 12 schools would like to dilute conference payouts by expanding. TV payouts may increase as per the contract, but other sources of income like the CFP payouts would not.

The addition of the CCG would likely offset that. The bigger benefit might be 8 game conference schedule and a CCG that isn't a guaranteed rematch which nobody really wants.

I think it was easy to add a CCG a couple of years out. Now it's actually time to start playing one and a 9 game RR followed by a rematch isn't really that appealing to anyone. Going back to 8 games with divisions lessens the likelihood that there is a rematch and can eliminate the possibility of the RRR part 2 by pussing OU and UT in the same division.

My guess in that expansion and CCG negotiations are all in one at this point with ESPN and possibly FOX/PAC being involved as well. None of that has been finalized at this point and needs to happen ASAP as spring ball is around the corner. ESPN is maxed out as far as what it can do for the Big 12 so I think they will likely let FOX take the Big 12 CCG.
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RE: Big 12 expansion revisited
(02-23-2017 03:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-23-2017 11:45 AM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  
(02-23-2017 09:57 AM)f1do Wrote:  Origin of these statistics on suicide attemps of BYU LGBT students? Source or you are full of it. Coming from a Utah fan that is the only logical conclusion.

It was in the BYU newspaper:

http://universe.byu.edu/2017/01/20/lgbt-...-suicide1/

That is unacceptable. There's no question that this problem is especially pronounced in conservative, religious cultures. Like ours. We have to own that. BYU can do better.

OTOH, I thought it was common knowledge that a higher LGBT suicide rate wasn't a problem unique to BYU. That's why I initially ignored jr's irresponsible troll. Maybe some context is in order:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06...98035.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2...899a8b7586

So if you want to lower teen LGBT suicides (and young adults) stop discriminating against them...

So until BYU changes their Honor Code to allow same-sex marriage, their is going to be a suicide problem at BYU.

And another reason to shun BYU.

I was really impressed with ISU when this was all being looked at. The student body felt much the same way you did but the president of the student body spoke up like a true leader should.
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/news/polit...038ed.html
StuGov President Staudt: We're no better than BYU if they're rejected over beliefs

"The Big 12 stands for the acceptance of everyone, no matter their beliefs. I do not think we would be any better than BYU if the Big 12 schools chose to reject them because of their beliefs," Staudt said in his statement. "The conference should see BYU’s bid to join us as an opportunity to work with BYU to create a more inclusive campus while still respecting the beliefs that many members of the Church of Latter Day Saints hold.”
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RE: Big 12 expansion revisited
(02-23-2017 03:57 PM)p23570 Wrote:  
(02-23-2017 03:22 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  I don't really see why current Big 12 schools would like to dilute conference payouts by expanding. TV payouts may increase as per the contract, but other sources of income like the CFP payouts would not.

The addition of the CCG would likely offset that. The bigger benefit might be 8 game conference schedule and a CCG that isn't a guaranteed rematch which nobody really wants.

I think it was easy to add a CCG a couple of years out. Now it's actually time to start playing one and a 9 game RR followed by a rematch isn't really that appealing to anyone. Going back to 8 games with divisions lessens the likelihood that there is a rematch and can eliminate the possibility of the RRR part 2 by pussing OU and UT in the same division.

My guess in that expansion and CCG negotiations are all in one at this point with ESPN and possibly FOX/PAC being involved as well. None of that has been finalized at this point and needs to happen ASAP as spring ball is around the corner. ESPN is maxed out as far as what it can do for the Big 12 so I think they will likely let FOX take the Big 12 CCG.

I agree the CCG could offset it. Though, that'd be more if current teams want to maintain the income they have today. There's also the option of the CCG without expanding which would bring more money to current teams.

Avoiding a rematch is nice, but there's still a solid chance of a rematch unless there are 14+ teams. Without expanding, we have a CCG rematch 100% of the time. By adding 2 teams and playing an 9 game schedule it's a 66% chance of a rematch and with an 8 game schedule it's a 50% chance of a rematch.

The other downside is that every team will no longer play every other team each year. This might not matter if the right divisions are set for everyone, but it's something to keep in mind. From a Texas perspective, TTU would have to stay in the division and obviously the permanent crossover game with OU would need to stay.

Isn't the CCG supposed to start this year? I'm surprised we haven't heard anything about the TV negotiations regarding it.
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RE: Big 12 expansion revisited
(02-23-2017 04:09 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  
(02-23-2017 03:57 PM)p23570 Wrote:  
(02-23-2017 03:22 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  I don't really see why current Big 12 schools would like to dilute conference payouts by expanding. TV payouts may increase as per the contract, but other sources of income like the CFP payouts would not.

The addition of the CCG would likely offset that. The bigger benefit might be 8 game conference schedule and a CCG that isn't a guaranteed rematch which nobody really wants.

I think it was easy to add a CCG a couple of years out. Now it's actually time to start playing one and a 9 game RR followed by a rematch isn't really that appealing to anyone. Going back to 8 games with divisions lessens the likelihood that there is a rematch and can eliminate the possibility of the RRR part 2 by pussing OU and UT in the same division.

My guess in that expansion and CCG negotiations are all in one at this point with ESPN and possibly FOX/PAC being involved as well. None of that has been finalized at this point and needs to happen ASAP as spring ball is around the corner. ESPN is maxed out as far as what it can do for the Big 12 so I think they will likely let FOX take the Big 12 CCG.

I agree the CCG could offset it. Though, that'd be more if current teams want to maintain the income they have today. There's also the option of the CCG without expanding which would bring more money to current teams.

Avoiding a rematch is nice, but there's still a solid chance of a rematch unless there are 14+ teams. Without expanding, we have a CCG rematch 100% of the time. By adding 2 teams and playing an 9 game schedule it's a 66% chance of a rematch and with an 8 game schedule it's a 50% chance of a rematch.

The other downside is that every team will no longer play every other team each year. This might not matter if the right divisions are set for everyone, but it's something to keep in mind. From a Texas perspective, TTU would have to stay in the division and obviously the permanent crossover game with OU would need to stay.

Isn't the CCG supposed to start this year? I'm surprised we haven't heard anything about the TV negotiations regarding it.
There is a huge difference in a 100% chance for a rematch and eliminating the rematch with 5 teams off the top by being in the same division and then only playing 3 of the 6 in the other division. If my math serves me correct that eliminated (8 of 11) or 72% of possible rematches. That's Yuge.

I think 12 is a sweet spot, not 14. Nobody planned to have 14 members, it just happened. The B1G has tried 2 division setups with mixed results and a lopsided setup. ACC has as well but now they are unbalanced, regional teams are not in the same division, and there are 14.625 and 15 members which doesn't' work for anything, The SEC has Missouri in the East which makes no sense. I think 14 is a number to avoid from what we have seen.



Big 12 would be easy to split with KU/KSU, OU/OSU, TT/UT, TCU/Baylor cross division rivals.

The Big 12 is likely in the middle of negotiations for the CCG currently. Perrins comments were a huge spring from what we have seen in the past. I see expansion and a partnership with FOX/PAC on the horizon.
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