(02-26-2017 10:44 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I'm fine with the top of the list but I'm just not seeing SMU and Colorado State as top G5 jobs. They've struggled to win at those places for years.

I'd have Toledo and Northern Illinois on there instead. Coaches have been in and out of there yet they continue to win.

SMU has the $ but $ doesn't' always buy success, see Texas for an example. They have a great location and alumni willing to step up for athletic spending. I see them having a breakout season next year.

I agree on CSU. Little success and lacks support and ruch boosters.

Toledo and UNI have no $.

Best G5 head coaching jobs: Those where successful coaches can win enough games to launch themselves to big P5 paydays. The jobs at the very top are the ones that have proven that capability with at least two "launches" in the last 20 years. That's why Houston, Cincinnati, and Boise State belong at the top.

(02-26-2017 09:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Best G5 head coaching jobs: Those where successful coaches can win enough games to launch themselves to big P5 paydays. The jobs at the very top are the ones that have proven that capability with at least two "launches" in the last 20 years. That's why Houston, Cincinnati, and Boise State belong at the top.

Arkansas State has two launches in less than a decade plus provided Boise State with a new head coach.

(02-27-2017 09:43 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 09:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Best G5 head coaching jobs: Those where successful coaches can win enough games to launch themselves to big P5 paydays. The jobs at the very top are the ones that have proven that capability with at least two "launches" in the last 20 years. That's why Houston, Cincinnati, and Boise State belong at the top.

Arkansas State has two launches in less than a decade plus provided Boise State with a new head coach.

Not enough $.

87 Arkansas State Sun Belt Blake Anderson $700,000 $0 $700,000 $235,000 $50,000 $1,278,700

(02-27-2017 09:43 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 09:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Best G5 head coaching jobs: Those where successful coaches can win enough games to launch themselves to big P5 paydays. The jobs at the very top are the ones that have proven that capability with at least two "launches" in the last 20 years. That's why Houston, Cincinnati, and Boise State belong at the top.

Arkansas State has two launches in less than a decade plus provided Boise State with a new head coach.

They should be on there as well. This question for a prospective G5 head coach is, "Can I win enough here that my chances of getting a big-time job are greater than my chances of getting fired after 3 or 4 years?"

Arkansas St is a stepping stone to the Houston/SMU/UCF job which is the next step in a p-5 offer.

I'd certainly say it's one of the top jobs outside the MW/AAC.

We almost need an extra level for those jobs.
p-5
gp-2 MW/AAC
g/3 MAC/SB/USA

(02-27-2017 01:06 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Arkansas St is a stepping stone to the Houston/SMU/UCF job which is the next step in a p-5 offer.

Hugh Freeze - Arkansas State to Ole Miss
Gus Malzahn - Arkansas State to Auburn
Bryan Harsin - Arkansas State to Boise State

No intermediate stops.

(02-27-2017 01:06 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Arkansas St is a stepping stone to the Houston/SMU/UCF job which is the next step in a p-5 offer.

I'd certainly say it's one of the top jobs outside the MW/AAC.

We almost need an extra level for those jobs.
p-5
gp-2 MW/AAC
g/3 MAC/SB/USA

Arkansas St last 3 coaches have left for Ole Miss, Auburn, and Boise St.

(02-27-2017 01:27 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:06 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Arkansas St is a stepping stone to the Houston/SMU/UCF job which is the next step in a p-5 offer.

I'd certainly say it's one of the top jobs outside the MW/AAC.

We almost need an extra level for those jobs.
p-5
gp-2 MW/AAC
g/3 MAC/SB/USA

Arkansas St last 3 coaches have left for Ole Miss, Auburn, and Boise St.

That's a pretty compelling case I'd say. I think for a pure springboard it has to be up there with a list like that but isn't because of the lower pay available compared to places who can spend a couple million or so.

Still a very impressive list there. With good fan support it's clear Arkansas St has a lot of potential and belongs in FBS.

La Tech's last 2 coaches have left for Tennessee and Cal and Skip seems to have regained his winning ways since the disaster at USF. There is a lot of really good FB talent in N LA and it's easy to win against both CUSA and Sunbelt schools in the area - minus USM lately.

(02-27-2017 01:25 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:06 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Arkansas St is a stepping stone to the Houston/SMU/UCF job which is the next step in a p-5 offer.

Hugh Freeze - Arkansas State to Ole Miss
Gus Malzahn - Arkansas State to Auburn
Bryan Harsin - Arkansas State to Boise State

No intermediate stops.

That's 3 years. Woo hoo hardly a trend. And Boise Isn't a p-5. So it's really just 2.

From 1992 to 2010 it was a career killer

Al Kincaid, out of coaching 7 years then back as OC
RAy Perkins, NFL as assistant
John Bobo, fired, end of career
Joe Hollis to high school and career ended
Steve Roberts, out of coaching

LOL.

(02-26-2017 02:36 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:21 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  This looks to be heavily weighed towards money/salary, which is understood.

And wealthy alumni who support the AD.

Rice is a sleeping giant in that regard as they may have he most wealthy alumni in the g-5.

The percentage of Rice alumni who are successful may be high but the total number is quite low. Most schools in the G5 are five to ten times the size of Rice. And in this case, size does matter.

(03-01-2017 09:43 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 02:36 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:21 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  This looks to be heavily weighed towards money/salary, which is understood.

And wealthy alumni who support the AD.

Rice is a sleeping giant in that regard as they may have he most wealthy alumni in the g-5.

The percentage of Rice alumni who are successful may be high but the total number is quite low. Most schools in the G5 are five to ten times the size of Rice. And in this case, size does matter.

Not really. I'd rather have 1 billionaire booster than 250k regular ones.

Simply having lots of students/alumni doesn't equate to wealth. Rice has the important alumni who could put a lot of money together for the AD like they have for the Endowment.

(03-01-2017 11:16 AM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 09:43 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 02:36 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:21 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  This looks to be heavily weighed towards money/salary, which is understood.

And wealthy alumni who support the AD.

Rice is a sleeping giant in that regard as they may have he most wealthy alumni in the g-5.

The percentage of Rice alumni who are successful may be high but the total number is quite low. Most schools in the G5 are five to ten times the size of Rice. And in this case, size does matter.

Not really. I'd rather have 1 billionaire booster than 250k regular ones.

Simply having lots of students/alumni doesn't equate to wealth. Rice has the important alumni who could put a lot of money together for the AD like they have for the Endowment.

Perhaps I did not make my point perfectly clear. Let's say that Rice produces a billionaire in every class (probably not true, but for illustration). Let's also postulate that they can produce billionaires at three times the rate of University of Houston (again, probably not true). What that means is that every time Rice produces a billionaire, UofH produces 3. That's the number that matters. You're correct that the 250k other alums are less relevant. But having three times as many billionaires does matter.

(03-01-2017 04:53 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 11:16 AM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 09:43 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 02:36 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:21 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  This looks to be heavily weighed towards money/salary, which is understood.

And wealthy alumni who support the AD.

Rice is a sleeping giant in that regard as they may have he most wealthy alumni in the g-5.

The percentage of Rice alumni who are successful may be high but the total number is quite low. Most schools in the G5 are five to ten times the size of Rice. And in this case, size does matter.

Not really. I'd rather have 1 billionaire booster than 250k regular ones.

Simply having lots of students/alumni doesn't equate to wealth. Rice has the important alumni who could put a lot of money together for the AD like they have for the Endowment.

Perhaps I did not make my point perfectly clear. Let's say that Rice produces a billionaire in every class (probably not true, but for illustration). Let's also postulate that they can produce billionaires at three times the rate of University of Houston (again, probably not true). What that means is that every time Rice produces a billionaire, UofH produces 3. That's the number that matters. You're correct that the 250k other alums are less relevant. But having three times as many billionaires does matter.

Perhaps Tulsa and Houston might be a better analogy.

There is a reason Houston has a 700m endowment and Rice has a 5.4 Billion $ endowment.

More alumni does not mean richer school.

Stanford is another good example. Small school but huge alumni wealth. compare them with SDSU and it demonstrates my point precisely like Rice and Houston.

(02-27-2017 10:49 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:25 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:06 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Arkansas St is a stepping stone to the Houston/SMU/UCF job which is the next step in a p-5 offer.

Hugh Freeze - Arkansas State to Ole Miss
Gus Malzahn - Arkansas State to Auburn
Bryan Harsin - Arkansas State to Boise State

No intermediate stops.

That's 3 years. Woo hoo hardly a trend. And Boise Isn't a p-5. So it's really just 2.

From 1992 to 2010 it was a career killer

Al Kincaid, out of coaching 7 years then back as OC
RAy Perkins, NFL as assistant
John Bobo, fired, end of career
Joe Hollis to high school and career ended
Steve Roberts, out of coaching

LOL.

You are going back 15 years. The budget and facilities 2002 and prior were atrocious. Less than $10m budgets and 1970s facilities. Budget is $43m now and facilities have undergone massive upgrades. Five titles in six years, last three coaches went straight to SEC head coach or Boise HC. Fifteen years in college athletics is like fifty everywhere else.

(03-01-2017 11:16 AM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 09:43 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 02:36 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:21 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  This looks to be heavily weighed towards money/salary, which is understood.

And wealthy alumni who support the AD.

Rice is a sleeping giant in that regard as they may have he most wealthy alumni in the g-5.

The percentage of Rice alumni who are successful may be high but the total number is quite low. Most schools in the G5 are five to ten times the size of Rice. And in this case, size does matter.

Not really. I'd rather have 1 billionaire booster than 250k regular ones.

Simply having lots of students/alumni doesn't equate to wealth. Rice has the important alumni who could put a lot of money together for the AD like they have for the Endowment.

Say what? One wealthy booster means you piss off one booster and you are done. It is a lot harder to piss off 250K people.

(03-01-2017 05:20 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 11:16 AM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 09:43 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 02:36 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:21 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  This looks to be heavily weighed towards money/salary, which is understood.

And wealthy alumni who support the AD.

Rice is a sleeping giant in that regard as they may have he most wealthy alumni in the g-5.

The percentage of Rice alumni who are successful may be high but the total number is quite low. Most schools in the G5 are five to ten times the size of Rice. And in this case, size does matter.

Not really. I'd rather have 1 billionaire booster than 250k regular ones.

Simply having lots of students/alumni doesn't equate to wealth. Rice has the important alumni who could put a lot of money together for the AD like they have for the Endowment.

Say what? One wealthy booster means you piss off one booster and you are done. It is a lot harder to piss off 250K people.

The key is to have lots of billionaires throwing money at sports (Texas) versus one (Houston) versus none (Rice).

(03-01-2017 05:20 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 11:16 AM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 09:43 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 02:36 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:21 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  This looks to be heavily weighed towards money/salary, which is understood.

And wealthy alumni who support the AD.

Rice is a sleeping giant in that regard as they may have he most wealthy alumni in the g-5.

The percentage of Rice alumni who are successful may be high but the total number is quite low. Most schools in the G5 are five to ten times the size of Rice. And in this case, size does matter.

Not really. I'd rather have 1 billionaire booster than 250k regular ones.

Simply having lots of students/alumni doesn't equate to wealth. Rice has the important alumni who could put a lot of money together for the AD like they have for the Endowment.

Say what? One wealthy booster means you piss off one booster and you are done. It is a lot harder to piss off 250K people.

See Oregon, Oklahoma State, and Baylor if you need proof. One big one can be all it takes.

I can assure you that although schools like UCF, USF, Houston, Cinci, etc are huge they lack the donations that smaller schools can get.

Just UCF and USF together are around 100k students if I remember correctly. That still doesn't result in a strong income from donations/boosters.

(03-01-2017 05:31 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 05:20 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 11:16 AM)p23570 Wrote:  

(03-01-2017 09:43 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 02:36 PM)p23570 Wrote:  And wealthy alumni who support the AD.

Rice is a sleeping giant in that regard as they may have he most wealthy alumni in the g-5.

The percentage of Rice alumni who are successful may be high but the total number is quite low. Most schools in the G5 are five to ten times the size of Rice. And in this case, size does matter.

Not really. I'd rather have 1 billionaire booster than 250k regular ones.

Simply having lots of students/alumni doesn't equate to wealth. Rice has the important alumni who could put a lot of money together for the AD like they have for the Endowment.

Say what? One wealthy booster means you piss off one booster and you are done. It is a lot harder to piss off 250K people.

The key is to have lots of billionaires throwing money at sports (Texas) versus one (Houston) versus none (Rice).

True.

Rice has been doing some upgrades to athletic facilities in the last few years so things are getting better.