(02-21-2017 09:56 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  Here's my more realistic and probable view on how to to fix basketball:

Cincinnati and SMU, keep doing what you're doing.

Have Memphis take a time machine to 2006
Have Temple take a time machine to 1988
Have Uconn take a time machine to 1999
Have Houston take a time machine to 1982
Have Tulsa take a time machine to 1994
Have USF, ECU, and Tulane take a time machine to 1850 and try to build a better basketball oriented university

Problems SOLVED. You're welcome, American.

How come UCF doesn't get a time machine? :(

(02-21-2017 10:02 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 09:56 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  Here's my more realistic and probable view on how to to fix basketball:

Cincinnati and SMU, keep doing what you're doing.

Have Memphis take a time machine to 2006
Have Temple take a time machine to 1988
Have Uconn take a time machine to 1999
Have Houston take a time machine to 1982
Have Tulsa take a time machine to 1994
Have USF, ECU, and Tulane take a time machine to 1850 and try to build a better basketball oriented university

Problems SOLVED. You're welcome, American.

How come UCF doesn't get a time machine? :(

UCF gets a time machine to the future, which looks pretty bright to me. We don't need any non football members. We just need to keep building. There are 2 schools in the east that I think it would make sense to add for all sports, but I'm not going to name them because I don't want to get attacked. On the FB side, we also should focus on adding Army and Air Force as FB members.

(02-21-2017 10:08 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 10:02 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 09:56 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  Here's my more realistic and probable view on how to to fix basketball:

Cincinnati and SMU, keep doing what you're doing.

Have Memphis take a time machine to 2006
Have Temple take a time machine to 1988
Have Uconn take a time machine to 1999
Have Houston take a time machine to 1982
Have Tulsa take a time machine to 1994
Have USF, ECU, and Tulane take a time machine to 1850 and try to build a better basketball oriented university

Problems SOLVED. You're welcome, American.

How come UCF doesn't get a time machine? :(

UCF gets a time machine to the future, which looks pretty bright to me. We don't need any non football members. We just need to keep building. There are 2 schools in the east that I think it would make sense to add for all sports, but I'm not going to name them because I don't want to get attacked. On the FB side, we also should focus on adding Army and Air Force as FB members.

I agree with this sentiment. If the common consensus is that the Big 12 remnants will just pick apart the top adds of the AAC / MWC, then there's no reason to wait (aside from the pending contract from the tv deal with input from the tv partners)

(02-21-2017 09:56 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  Here's my more realistic and probable view on how to to fix basketball:

Cincinnati and SMU, keep doing what you're doing.

Have Memphis take a time machine to 2006
Have Temple take a time machine to 1988
Have Uconn take a time machine to 1999
Have Houston take a time machine to 1982
Have Tulsa take a time machine to 1994
Have USF, ECU, and Tulane take a time machine to 1850 and try to build a better basketball oriented university

Problems SOLVED. You're welcome, American.

Sweetie...

UCONN has won 3 National Championships since 1999. Our tourney credits have been paying your bills for over a decade. Doubt you wanna lose that income considering the horrific media deal $.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

(02-21-2017 10:19 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 09:56 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  Here's my more realistic and probable view on how to to fix basketball:

Cincinnati and SMU, keep doing what you're doing.

Have Memphis take a time machine to 2006
Have Temple take a time machine to 1988
Have Uconn take a time machine to 1999
Have Houston take a time machine to 1982
Have Tulsa take a time machine to 1994
Have USF, ECU, and Tulane take a time machine to 1850 and try to build a better basketball oriented university

Problems SOLVED. You're welcome, American.

Sweetie...

UCONN has won 3 National Championships since 1999. Our tourney credits have been paying your bills for over a decade. Doubt you wanna lose that income considering the horrific media deal $.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

(02-21-2017 10:19 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 09:56 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  Here's my more realistic and probable view on how to to fix basketball:

Cincinnati and SMU, keep doing what you're doing.

Have Memphis take a time machine to 2006
Have Temple take a time machine to 1988
Have Uconn take a time machine to 1999
Have Houston take a time machine to 1982
Have Tulsa take a time machine to 1994
Have USF, ECU, and Tulane take a time machine to 1850 and try to build a better basketball oriented university

Problems SOLVED. You're welcome, American.

Sweetie...

UCONN has won 3 National Championships since 1999. Our tourney credits have been paying your bills for over a decade. Doubt you wanna lose that income considering the horrific media deal $.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

YEP! that's why 1999 is great place to be so that you can win them all again....try to follow along, please.

(02-21-2017 10:19 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 09:56 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  Here's my more realistic and probable view on how to to fix basketball:

Cincinnati and SMU, keep doing what you're doing.

Have Memphis take a time machine to 2006
Have Temple take a time machine to 1988
Have Uconn take a time machine to 1999
Have Houston take a time machine to 1982
Have Tulsa take a time machine to 1994
Have USF, ECU, and Tulane take a time machine to 1850 and try to build a better basketball oriented university

Problems SOLVED. You're welcome, American.

Sweetie...

UCONN has won 3 National Championships since 1999. Our tourney credits have been paying your bills for over a decade. Doubt you wanna lose that income considering the horrific media deal $.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

4 National Championships.

(02-21-2017 10:45 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 10:19 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 09:56 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  Here's my more realistic and probable view on how to to fix basketball:

Cincinnati and SMU, keep doing what you're doing.

Have Memphis take a time machine to 2006
Have Temple take a time machine to 1988
Have Uconn take a time machine to 1999
Have Houston take a time machine to 1982
Have Tulsa take a time machine to 1994
Have USF, ECU, and Tulane take a time machine to 1850 and try to build a better basketball oriented university

Problems SOLVED. You're welcome, American.

Sweetie...

UCONN has won 3 National Championships since 1999. Our tourney credits have been paying your bills for over a decade. Doubt you wanna lose that income considering the horrific media deal $.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

YEP! that's why 1999 is great place to be so that you can win them all again....try to follow along, please.

In that case, Cincinnati should travel back to the 1960s (when they actually won in the post-season)...

(02-21-2017 10:45 AM)Phil Lacio Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 10:19 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 09:56 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  Here's my more realistic and probable view on how to to fix basketball:

Cincinnati and SMU, keep doing what you're doing.

Have Memphis take a time machine to 2006
Have Temple take a time machine to 1988
Have Uconn take a time machine to 1999
Have Houston take a time machine to 1982
Have Tulsa take a time machine to 1994
Have USF, ECU, and Tulane take a time machine to 1850 and try to build a better basketball oriented university

Problems SOLVED. You're welcome, American.

Sweetie...

UCONN has won 3 National Championships since 1999. Our tourney credits have been paying your bills for over a decade. Doubt you wanna lose that income considering the horrific media deal $.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

4 National Championships.

Should have said 'post' instead of 'since.'

The long term solution has been taking shape. There was a lot of dead wood (bad coaches) that needed to be cleared and most of it has. (I'm looking forward to seeing who the USF Bulls hire.)

Everyone just needs to back off and let these guys build their programs. Most of our coaches have been playing short-handed due to the transition.

They'll be fine. There is really only one last rotting tree that needs to be uprooted.

We all know who that is.

(02-21-2017 10:58 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  The long term solution has been taking shape. There was a lot of dead wood (bad coaches) that needed to be cleared and most of it has. (I'm looking forward to seeing who the USF Bulls hire.)

Everyone just needs to back off and let these guys build their programs. Most of our coaches have been playing short-handed due to the transition.

They'll be fine. There is really only one last rotting tree that needs to be uprooted.

We all know who that is.

WHO?????

(02-21-2017 10:58 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  The long term solution has been taking shape. There was a lot of dead wood (bad coaches) that needed to be cleared and most of it has. (I'm looking forward to seeing who the USF Bulls hire.)

Everyone just needs to back off and let these guys build their programs. Most of our coaches have been playing short-handed due to the transition.

They'll be fine. There is really only one last rotting tree that needs to be uprooted.

We all know who that is.



Lebo needs to go go.

(02-21-2017 10:12 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 10:08 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 10:02 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 09:56 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  Here's my more realistic and probable view on how to to fix basketball:

Cincinnati and SMU, keep doing what you're doing.

Have Memphis take a time machine to 2006
Have Temple take a time machine to 1988
Have Uconn take a time machine to 1999
Have Houston take a time machine to 1982
Have Tulsa take a time machine to 1994
Have USF, ECU, and Tulane take a time machine to 1850 and try to build a better basketball oriented university

Problems SOLVED. You're welcome, American.

How come UCF doesn't get a time machine? :(

UCF gets a time machine to the future, which looks pretty bright to me. We don't need any non football members. We just need to keep building. There are 2 schools in the east that I think it would make sense to add for all sports, but I'm not going to name them because I don't want to get attacked. On the FB side, we also should focus on adding Army and Air Force as FB members.

I agree with this sentiment. If the common consensus is that the Big 12 remnants will just pick apart the top adds of the AAC / MWC, then there's no reason to wait (aside from the pending contract from the tv deal with input from the tv partners)

they are waiting for same reason big east did. Hope that their conference doesn't fall apart and hope for keeping of status quo.

(02-21-2017 09:14 AM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  This is wrong. The Big 12 leftovers will raid the AAC and MWC. History repeats itself. The leftover schools will make the schools leaving pay.

I tend to agree, but if Aresco and the American cared enough to be proactive they'd already be having those what-if conversations with teams less likely to have a home should UT/OU leave. Much like Luck did while at WVU between the BE and B12, work the back channels and continue having those discussions over the next 7 years. I think the next round of expansion will/would be less chaotic and knee jerk. We've all lived through it a couple times now and perhaps we're better suited to dealing with it and planning for it. Aresco should be having causal conversations with all six of those schools if they give him the time.

Still, I tend to think 18 is too large and if there are six schools B12 left they'll just rebuild.

(02-21-2017 11:14 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 09:14 AM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  This is wrong. The Big 12 leftovers will raid the AAC and MWC. History repeats itself. The leftover schools will make the schools leaving pay.

I tend to agree, but if Aresco and the American cared enough to be proactive they'd already be having those what-if conversations with teams less likely to have a home should UT/OU leave. Much like Luck did while at WVU between the BE and B12, work the back channels and continue having those discussions over the next 7 years. I think the next round of expansion will/would be less chaotic and knee jerk. We've all lived through it a couple times now and perhaps we're better suited to dealing with it and planning for it. Aresco should be having causal conversations with all six of those schools if they give him the time.

Still, I tend to think 18 is too large and if there are six schools B12 left they'll just rebuild.

best aresco can do is hope usm, marshall, and whoever else is relevant out of CUSA in 8 years are interested in joining a watered down AAC---which they will be because it'll still be an upgrade from an even more watered down CUSA. There is zero chance AAC raids the big 12 even if texas/oklahoma leave.

(02-21-2017 10:00 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 09:14 AM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  This is wrong. The Big 12 leftovers will raid the AAC and MWC. History repeats itself. The leftover schools will make the schools leaving pay.

pretty much this. Big 12 is still a much bigger brand name than AAC or MWC. They'll reach out and grab the best MWC and AAC teams and move on. Anyone in here would rather be in a conference with kansas, k state, and other big 12 leftovers than whatever the AAC or MWC looks like in 2024.

AAC will be the new new cusa, cusa will raid sun belt, and sun belt will either fold or find new members from 1-AA.

It depends on if they lose Power 5 status. If the big 12 loses Texas and Oklahoma I don't see them retaining power status. It will get pulled just like the Big East lost their BCS status.

If no Power status I don't see a reason to jump to the leftover Big12.

(02-21-2017 11:18 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 11:14 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 09:14 AM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  This is wrong. The Big 12 leftovers will raid the AAC and MWC. History repeats itself. The leftover schools will make the schools leaving pay.

I tend to agree, but if Aresco and the American cared enough to be proactive they'd already be having those what-if conversations with teams less likely to have a home should UT/OU leave. Much like Luck did while at WVU between the BE and B12, work the back channels and continue having those discussions over the next 7 years. I think the next round of expansion will/would be less chaotic and knee jerk. We've all lived through it a couple times now and perhaps we're better suited to dealing with it and planning for it. Aresco should be having causal conversations with all six of those schools if they give him the time.

Still, I tend to think 18 is too large and if there are six schools B12 left they'll just rebuild.

best aresco can do is hope usm, marshall, and whoever else is relevant out of CUSA in 8 years are interested in joining a watered down AAC---which they will be because it'll still be an upgrade from an even more watered down CUSA. There is zero chance AAC raids the big 12 even if texas/oklahoma leave.

Probably most likely, but didnt K-State have some preliminary conversations in 2010 with the MWC when TAMU, Neb, Mizzou were leaving or had left and UT/OU was talking with the PAC? If the Big12 was gutted enough the AAC could pick up a few. I think it has to be 4 or fewer though.

(02-21-2017 11:13 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 10:12 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 10:08 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 10:02 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 09:56 AM)LetsGoUC Wrote:  Here's my more realistic and probable view on how to to fix basketball:

Cincinnati and SMU, keep doing what you're doing.

Have Memphis take a time machine to 2006
Have Temple take a time machine to 1988
Have Uconn take a time machine to 1999
Have Houston take a time machine to 1982
Have Tulsa take a time machine to 1994
Have USF, ECU, and Tulane take a time machine to 1850 and try to build a better basketball oriented university

Problems SOLVED. You're welcome, American.

How come UCF doesn't get a time machine? :(

UCF gets a time machine to the future, which looks pretty bright to me. We don't need any non football members. We just need to keep building. There are 2 schools in the east that I think it would make sense to add for all sports, but I'm not going to name them because I don't want to get attacked. On the FB side, we also should focus on adding Army and Air Force as FB members.

I agree with this sentiment. If the common consensus is that the Big 12 remnants will just pick apart the top adds of the AAC / MWC, then there's no reason to wait (aside from the pending contract from the tv deal with input from the tv partners)

they are waiting for same reason big east did. Hope that their conference doesn't fall apart and hope for keeping of status quo.

The leftovers of the Big 12 wont pick apart anyone.

The Big 12 contract will have expired and short of OU/UT there just isn't any remaining team that can anchor a conference. No AAC school is going to pay the 10 million exit fee to align with small market teams that don't command eyeballs.

The AAC has the markets and at that point the AAC would be in its second contract.

They'll be trying to work with networks like Aresco had to, and it wont be easy. The leftovers will eventually be picked apart.

Here is the Big 12 map. Their value is that they're aligned with OU/UT.



There simply is no substantial market value once they get left behind. That's why the Little 8 screwed themselves by giving up the pro rata. Like the Iowa State AD said, without OU/UT they're the MWC.

At that point the AAC's footprint and markets become more valuable. The AAC collectively becomes stronger than individual AAC schools.

(02-21-2017 12:35 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 10:00 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-21-2017 09:14 AM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  This is wrong. The Big 12 leftovers will raid the AAC and MWC. History repeats itself. The leftover schools will make the schools leaving pay.

pretty much this. Big 12 is still a much bigger brand name than AAC or MWC. They'll reach out and grab the best MWC and AAC teams and move on. Anyone in here would rather be in a conference with kansas, k state, and other big 12 leftovers than whatever the AAC or MWC looks like in 2024.

AAC will be the new new cusa, cusa will raid sun belt, and sun belt will either fold or find new members from 1-AA.

It depends on if they lose Power 5 status. If the big 12 loses Texas and Oklahoma I don't see them retaining power status. It will get pulled just like the Big East lost their BCS status.

If no Power status I don't see a reason to jump to the leftover Big12.

the power conference status isn't something thats arbitrarily delegated by some committee. It is based on TV network and bowl's willingness to partner with a conference. If the sun belt signed a 30M per team deal with ESPN and a bowl tie in with the orange bowl they'd be a power conference.

It all depends if the big 12 tv partners and bowl partners would want to continue to work with the leftovers. If they offer even a few million more than what the aac offer then yes any AAC team will jump over at a chance to play with established power conference teams the same way all of the CUSA teams jumped over to the AAC.