Someone pls correct me but is it possible that if we win out (8 - 10) we'd tie for 8th place in the standings.

Miami has only 3 wins with 3 to play.

CMU is 6 - 10 as are we. If we beat CMU Tuesday, we'd have a tie breaker (we would have beaten them twice).

BG is 6 - 9 and if they lose today (to MIA), they become 6 - 10. We hold the tie breaker over BG.

NIU is 7 - 9. They could end up 9 - 9, 8 - 10, or 7 - 11.

So if we beat CMU and TOL, we have a real shot to tie NIU for 8th if they split. If they lose two, we would best them.

Also, RE: TOL. If they lose Tues to BSU and us, then are 8 - 10. That would tie us 8 - 10.

Am I missing anything???

This could be crazy like last season: win out and maybe get a home game a week Monday.

EDIT (UPDATE):

BG beat MIA. Miami has 3 wins with 2 games to play. MIA #12 seed.

BG moves up to 7 - 9 with two to go vs Kent and BUFF. Good guess: 8 and 10 and we'd tie them and win the tiebreaker with wins over CMU & TOL.

(02-25-2017 01:19 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Playing some fantastic defense. That sound you hear is Luckeyone deleting another scathing 1000 word essay about the zone.

Lol.... Murphy's system is absolutely no threat to a MAC title.

Agree Montgomery should be fired too. Obviously NIU likes to hire risky inexperienced P5 assistants.

(02-25-2017 03:57 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 01:19 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Playing some fantastic defense. That sound you hear is Luckeyone deleting another scathing 1000 word essay about the zone.

Lol.... Murphy's system is absolutely no threat to a MAC title.

Agree Montgomery should be fired too. Obviously NIU likes to hire risky inexperienced P5 assistants.

And Coop at MIA.

/s/ Luckeyone (AKA, Grim Reaper)

(02-25-2017 04:14 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 03:57 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 01:19 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Playing some fantastic defense. That sound you hear is Luckeyone deleting another scathing 1000 word essay about the zone.

Lol.... Murphy's system is absolutely no threat to a MAC title.

Agree Montgomery should be fired too. Obviously NIU likes to hire risky inexperienced P5 assistants.

And Coop at MIA.

/s/ Luckeyone (AKA, Grim Reaper)

Steve,

Yes...Cooper would be gone!!! He doesn't meet my criteria that I've shared on this forum to be a successful head basketball coach.

Remind me again of luckys criteria

(02-25-2017 06:42 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 04:14 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 03:57 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 01:19 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Playing some fantastic defense. That sound you hear is Luckeyone deleting another scathing 1000 word essay about the zone.

Lol.... Murphy's system is absolutely no threat to a MAC title.

Agree Montgomery should be fired too. Obviously NIU likes to hire risky inexperienced P5 assistants.

And Coop at MIA.

/s/ Luckeyone (AKA, Grim Reaper)

Steve,

Yes...Cooper would be gone!!! He doesn't meet my criteria that I've shared on this forum to be a successful head basketball coach.

I forgot what the criteria is.

Cooper wouldn't have been my first choice, but he was a D-I HC with a conference record which got better during his tenure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cooper_(basketball)

BTW, the CMU AD just took the job at Arizona. Is Keno safe? (he had one 12 - 6 season but the rest have been so - so)

(02-25-2017 06:48 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Remind me again of luckys criteria

Lucky's high level criteria for hiring a successful basketball coach: 1) Previous successful Head Coaching experience.2) Ties to the local recruiting area. Of course there are outliers and several more big contributing factors, but for the basketball novices on here, I made it simple with two criterion.

Cooper's best season at Tennessee State was 20-13 (wouldn't call that SUCCESSFUL) and the double whammy is no local recruiting ties.

(02-25-2017 06:56 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 06:48 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Remind me again of luckys criteria

Lucky's high level criteria for hiring a successful basketball coach: 1) Previous successful Head Coaching experience.2) Ties to the local recruiting area. Of course there are outliers and several more big contributing factors, but for the basketball novices on here, I made it simple with two criterion.

Cooper's best season at Tennessee State was 20-13 (wouldn't call that SUCCESSFUL) and the double whammy is no local recruiting ties.

Cooper had a good conference record. Tenn State is one of those colleges whom I believe has to play a lot of money games which hurts its overall record.

I have no problem with Luckey's criteria EXCEPT if were the AD he'd get ZERO applicants who meet the criteria he set forth.

Unless Luckey would settle for a non-D-I coach. I don't know of any available D-I HC who have ties to the local recruiting area.

Luckey, any names you care to share????

(02-25-2017 07:05 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 06:56 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 06:48 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Remind me again of luckys criteria

Lucky's high level criteria for hiring a successful basketball coach: 1) Previous successful Head Coaching experience.2) Ties to the local recruiting area. Of course there are outliers and several more big contributing factors, but for the basketball novices on here, I made it simple with two criterion.

Cooper's best season at Tennessee State was 20-13 (wouldn't call that SUCCESSFUL) and the double whammy is no local recruiting ties.

Cooper had a good conference record. Tenn State is one of those colleges whom I believe has to play a lot of money games which hurts its overall record.

I have no problem with Luckey's criteria EXCEPT if were the AD he'd get ZERO applicants who meet the criteria he set forth.

Unless Luckey would settle for a non-D-I coach. I don't know of any available D-I HC who have ties to the local recruiting area.

Luckey, any names you care to share????

Steve, and everyone else, please re-read my criterion. I didn't say the potential candidate had to be a successful D1 head coach. Braun was successful at the NAIA level with local recruiting ties to Detroit, Flint, Lansing, the hotbed of basketball talent. I know this for a fact since I played basketball in Adrian and my team mate was recruited by Braun and played at Siena. Braun's Siena Heights teams were loaded with kids from Detroit, Flint, and Lansing. Even at that level, his team's would give the opposition a good smack down. He had some very talented players from the big three cities. Those local ties made it easier for Braun to recruit the hotbed because he could offer D1 scholarships after he got the EMU job.

(02-25-2017 08:00 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 07:05 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 06:56 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 06:48 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Remind me again of luckys criteria

Lucky's high level criteria for hiring a successful basketball coach: 1) Previous successful Head Coaching experience.2) Ties to the local recruiting area. Of course there are outliers and several more big contributing factors, but for the basketball novices on here, I made it simple with two criterion.

Cooper's best season at Tennessee State was 20-13 (wouldn't call that SUCCESSFUL) and the double whammy is no local recruiting ties.

Cooper had a good conference record. Tenn State is one of those colleges whom I believe has to play a lot of money games which hurts its overall record.

I have no problem with Luckey's criteria EXCEPT if were the AD he'd get ZERO applicants who meet the criteria he set forth.

Unless Luckey would settle for a non-D-I coach. I don't know of any available D-I HC who have ties to the local recruiting area.

Luckey, any names you care to share????

Steve, and everyone else, please re-read my criterion. I didn't say the potential candidate had to be a successful D1 head coach. Braun was successful at the NAIA level with local recruiting ties to Detroit, Flint, Lansing, the hotbed of basketball talent. I know this for a fact since I played basketball in Adrian and my team mate was recruited by Braun and played at Siena. Braun's Siena Heights teams were loaded with kids from Detroit, Flint, and Lansing. Even at that level, his team's would give the opposition a good smack down. He had some very talented players from the big three cities. Those local ties made it easier for Braun to recruit the hotbed because he could offer D1 scholarships after he got the EMU job.

This discussion is getting to the point of not he said, she said, but Luckey said, Steve said.

I believe EMU hoops took off after Gary Waters came aboard and brought Marcus Kennedy with him.

Grant Long was interviewed by Chad today. He played his first two years for Jim Boyce.

I'm not convinced that Braun's recruiting did the trick at EMU.

(02-25-2017 08:24 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 08:00 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 07:05 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 06:56 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 06:48 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Remind me again of luckys criteria

Lucky's high level criteria for hiring a successful basketball coach: 1) Previous successful Head Coaching experience.2) Ties to the local recruiting area. Of course there are outliers and several more big contributing factors, but for the basketball novices on here, I made it simple with two criterion.

Cooper's best season at Tennessee State was 20-13 (wouldn't call that SUCCESSFUL) and the double whammy is no local recruiting ties.

Cooper had a good conference record. Tenn State is one of those colleges whom I believe has to play a lot of money games which hurts its overall record.

I have no problem with Luckey's criteria EXCEPT if were the AD he'd get ZERO applicants who meet the criteria he set forth.

Unless Luckey would settle for a non-D-I coach. I don't know of any available D-I HC who have ties to the local recruiting area.

Luckey, any names you care to share????

Steve, and everyone else, please re-read my criterion. I didn't say the potential candidate had to be a successful D1 head coach. Braun was successful at the NAIA level with local recruiting ties to Detroit, Flint, Lansing, the hotbed of basketball talent. I know this for a fact since I played basketball in Adrian and my team mate was recruited by Braun and played at Siena. Braun's Siena Heights teams were loaded with kids from Detroit, Flint, and Lansing. Even at that level, his team's would give the opposition a good smack down. He had some very talented players from the big three cities. Those local ties made it easier for Braun to recruit the hotbed because he could offer D1 scholarships after he got the EMU job.

This discussion is getting to the point of not he said, she said, but Luckey said, Steve said.

I believe EMU hoops took off after Gary Waters came aboard and brought Marcus Kennedy with him.

Grant Long was interviewed by Chad today. He played his first two years for Jim Boyce.

I'm not convinced that Braun's recruiting did the trick at EMU.

Steve, you're right. Braun didn't do much for EMU it was everyone else.

Definitely was a good game to attend live especially considering the streak of the last 7. I thought today's win was a product of the defense playing with the necessary intensity and I also thought the ball movement on offense today was better than I have seen in a while. The 3 pointers that we were shooting today for the most part were good shots set up with a couple of nice passes. When the guards in Lee and Magnum are hitting, the confidence that this team has goes up a ton.

Perhaps I'm just being too positive but when I was watching this team in warmups they were smiling, they seemed to be just having fun. I almost wonder if the team was wound up a bit too tight this past month and that the team just decided to go out there and play free and have some fun. It definitely didn't look like a team where the coach had lost the team nor did it look like a team that had lost 7 in a row. I think that's a good sign. Plus there didn't seem to any of that internal strife.

I still think Murphy's system can work. However it is a system where the players have to be willing to buy into it and play it with intensity every single night. At one point, someone compared the zone to the option and I do think in this one regard it's a valid point. When the option or the zone is clicking, it looks amazing but when it doesn't, it can look really bad. I honestly would like to see Murphy have the opportunity to coach this team for one more year with the rest of these transfers and recruits that he brought in. If next year is mediocre again, alright I might be on board with a change. Sometimes success comes by being patient and reading the list of "candidates" nothing impresses me there.

Look, it's one game and this season has been a massive disappointment up to this point. If they make a change, I can understand it too.. However one great stretch of games in March could change everything and if they put the effort in like tonight... you just never know.

Or maybe we could get a coach who emphasizes the Triangle and 2 zone... or the 1-3-1 zone! ;p

(02-25-2017 09:31 PM)TheCrumbIsHere Wrote:  Definitely was a good game to attend live especially considering the streak of the last 7. I thought today's win was a product of the defense playing with the necessary intensity and I also thought the ball movement on offense today was better than I have seen in a while. The 3 pointers that we were shooting today for the most part were good shots set up with a couple of nice passes. When the guards in Lee and Magnum are hitting, the confidence that this team has goes up a ton.

Perhaps I'm just being too positive but when I was watching this team in warmups they were smiling, they seemed to be just having fun. I almost wonder if the team was wound up a bit too tight this past month and that the team just decided to go out there and play free and have some fun. It definitely didn't look like a team where the coach had lost the team nor did it look like a team that had lost 7 in a row. I think that's a good sign. Plus there didn't seem to any of that internal strife.

I still think Murphy's system can work. However it is a system where the players have to be willing to buy into it and play it with intensity every single night. At one point, someone compared the zone to the option and I do think in this one regard it's a valid point. When the option or the zone is clicking, it looks amazing but when it doesn't, it can look really bad. I honestly would like to see Murphy have the opportunity to coach this team for one more year with the rest of these transfers and recruits that he brought in. If next year is mediocre again, alright I might be on board with a change. Sometimes success comes by being patient and reading the list of "candidates" nothing impresses me there.

Look, it's one game and this season has been a massive disappointment up to this point. If they make a change, I can understand it too.. However one great stretch of games in March could change everything and if they put the effort in like tonight... you just never know.

Or maybe we could get a coach who emphasizes the Triangle and 2 zone... or the 1-3-1 zone! ;p

Good observations!!

BTW, Chad interviewed Christian Spears at halftime who said that he met with the team and told them they have the best talent in the conference.

I do NOT know what is happening with the team or the AD, etc. etc. but the team did not seem right for a long time.

They seem to be as you say a lot looser the last two games.

This, of course, is the problem with us posting: All we know is the 4 hours we see each week on the webcast. We do not know what else is happening (or not happening).

(02-25-2017 10:54 PM)emu steve Wrote:  BTW, Chad interviewed Christian Spears at halftime who said that he met with the team and told them they have the best talent in the conference.

Very interesting, the Assistant AD has a similar position to we "griping" posters: this team is underperforming.

(02-25-2017 10:54 PM)emu steve Wrote:  This, of course, is the problem with us posting: All we know is the 4 hours we see each week on the webcast. We do not know what else is happening (or not happening).

I just assume most of us here realize our comments/analysis have no bearing on the outcome of games, AD decisions, etc. As long as posters are respectful to others commented on (players, coaches, and other posters), they should feel free to discuss however suits them. So I'd disagree that we have a "problem" with posting analysis that is extrapolated on what we see in games.

Assuming EMU wins it's last two (CMU away, Toledo home):

EMU Gets the 7th Seed if:
Toledo looses it's last two (Ball St home, EMU away).
And N Illinois splits it's last two (WMU home, Ball St away).
And Bowling Green spits it's last two (Kent St home, Buffallo away).
And Ohio retains the second seeding OR N Illinois win is not against Ball St.

EMU Gets the 8th Seed if:
And N Illinois splits it's last two (WMU home, Ball St away)
And Bowling Green spits it's last two (Kent St home, Buffallo away)
And Ohio retains the second seeding OR N Illinois win is not against Ball St.


This would create a 4 way tie for the 7 to 10 seeds. And EMU would get 7th seed

First Tie Breaker, Winning % against other tied teams:
EMU and N Illinois will tie ahead of others in either of the 2 scenarios above.

Second tie breaker, Head to head is a split, Third tie breaker, Division Record is a split with both teams at 5-5. Then it comes down to wins against higher seeds, and EMU beat Ohio once. If N Illinois beats Ball St AND Ball St becomes a higher seed than Ohio, then this tie breaker goes to N Illinois.

(02-26-2017 01:04 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 10:54 PM)emu steve Wrote:  BTW, Chad interviewed Christian Spears at halftime who said that he met with the team and told them they have the best talent in the conference.

Very interesting, the Assistant AD has a similar position to we "griping" posters: this team is underperforming.

(02-25-2017 10:54 PM)emu steve Wrote:  This, of course, is the problem with us posting: All we know is the 4 hours we see each week on the webcast. We do not know what else is happening (or not happening).

I just assume most of us here realize our comments/analysis have no bearing on the outcome of games, AD decisions, etc. As long as posters are respectful to others commented on (players, coaches, and other posters), they should feel free to discuss however suits them. So I'd disagree that we have a "problem" with posting analysis that is extrapolated on what we see in games.

What I'm getting at is I don't feel comfortable posting on subjects which I have no real good knowledge.

I know what I see on the court, but I know nothing what's happening in the locker-room, treatment room, Convo, etc.

Sometimes in sports what's even worse is that a player may have an undisclosed injury and have sub-par performance.

What is different about EMU sports and say the Detroit Tigers, is that there is a very, very active press for the Tigers. Fans can be knowledgeable by following the press carefully. Much, much less so with EMU athletics.

All I'm saying is that our opinions of EMU sports is usually guided by serious gaps in knowledge.

(02-26-2017 01:56 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Assuming EMU wins it's last two (CMU away, Toledo home):

EMU Gets the 7th Seed if:
Toledo looses it's last two (Ball St home, EMU away).
And N Illinois splits it's last two (WMU home, Ball St away).
And Bowling Green spits it's last two (Kent St home, Buffallo away).
And Ohio retains the second seeding OR N Illinois win is not against Ball St.

EMU Gets the 8th Seed if:
And N Illinois splits it's last two (WMU home, Ball St away)
And Bowling Green spits it's last two (Kent St home, Buffallo away)
And Ohio retains the second seeding OR N Illinois win is not against Ball St.


This would create a 4 way tie for the 7 to 10 seeds. And EMU would get 7th seed

First Tie Breaker, Winning % against other tied teams:
EMU and N Illinois will tie ahead of others in either of the 2 scenarios above.

Second tie breaker, Head to head is a split, Third tie breaker, Division Record is a split with both teams at 5-5. Then it comes down to wins against higher seeds, and EMU beat Ohio once. If N Illinois beats Ball St AND Ball St becomes a higher seed than Ohio, then this tie breaker goes to N Illinois.

Thanks for the breakdown!

I really want to finish this season on a high note. If we play like we did yesterday, that should take care of itself. We match up really well with both CMU and Toledo.

(02-26-2017 09:37 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 01:56 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Assuming EMU wins it's last two (CMU away, Toledo home):

EMU Gets the 7th Seed if:
Toledo looses it's last two (Ball St home, EMU away).
And N Illinois splits it's last two (WMU home, Ball St away).
And Bowling Green spits it's last two (Kent St home, Buffallo away).
And Ohio retains the second seeding OR N Illinois win is not against Ball St.

EMU Gets the 8th Seed if:
And N Illinois splits it's last two (WMU home, Ball St away)
And Bowling Green spits it's last two (Kent St home, Buffallo away)
And Ohio retains the second seeding OR N Illinois win is not against Ball St.


This would create a 4 way tie for the 7 to 10 seeds. And EMU would get 7th seed

First Tie Breaker, Winning % against other tied teams:
EMU and N Illinois will tie ahead of others in either of the 2 scenarios above.

Second tie breaker, Head to head is a split, Third tie breaker, Division Record is a split with both teams at 5-5. Then it comes down to wins against higher seeds, and EMU beat Ohio once. If N Illinois beats Ball St AND Ball St becomes a higher seed than Ohio, then this tie breaker goes to N Illinois.

Thanks for the breakdown!

I really want to finish this season on a high note. If we play like we did yesterday, that should take care of itself. We match up really well with both CMU and Toledo.

Indeed.

and a comment for the CMU game:

Bombs away!!!