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WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-ditchin...4?mod=e2tw

Some excellent quotes in the story from Brian Shanley (Rev. President at Providence), Val Ackermann, Greg McDermott, and Jay Bilas from the Wall Street Journal today on the current success of the Big East, the huge gamble that the C7 took in splitting from football schools, and the payoff the conference received in new additions (Butler, Creighton, Xavier), keeping Madison Square Garden and the Big East name, and the TV deal with Fox.
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Wasn't much of a gamble. They already knew how much they were getting before they left. They were basically paid to leave. Not much of a gamble at all. That said, that's what they really wanted and it has worked out very well for the Catholic 7.
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
Not just the Big East.

The best thing that ever happened to the A-10 was when the CAA 'stole' the football league from the A-10.
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It is the best thing for the football schools dropped the train wreck of the Big East basketball schools. Basketball alone would not bring in as much money as football could.
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
Correction: It saved catholic basketball.

Look at a school like Nova.

They were buried under the weight of the big schools like Syracuse and UConn. It wasn't until the big dogs left that Villanova won a "Big East" Championship again.
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can someone c/p the article text to my inbox 03-wink
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
It is an odd title if you think about it.

"Saving" really is the wrong word.

If the Original Big East would have lasted, with both the football schools and basketball schools after Houston et al came in, (if history would've played out like it has) that group would have 2 basketball National Championships between UConn and Nova and 2 NY6 Championships between Houston and UCF... not to mention the UConn Women's 100+ win run.

That would trump the C7+3 by a considerable margin.

As I said, it saved Catholic hoops. Schools that got less play with the big city schools have been able to have more spotlight.

The premise of that title is really missing the mark.
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Color me not impressed. Talk about not biting the hand that fed you.

It was the likes of those tuuuuurrible football schools (Syracuse, Louisville, UCONN, etc) that made the Big East relevant the past two decades before the split.
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(02-20-2017 08:46 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Correction: It saved catholic basketball.

Look at a school like Nova.

They were buried under the weight of the big schools like Syracuse and UConn. It wasn't until the big dogs left that Villanova won a "Big East" Championship again.

And if you look at the total body of work since the split, who has been the "big dog" between Nova, Cuse and UCONN? Homer you're too predictable, any minutiae related to the AAC has you doing summersaults, anything positive about the BE sends you into convulsions. Time to get over it.
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
(02-20-2017 09:12 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 08:46 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Correction: It saved catholic basketball.

Look at a school like Nova.

They were buried under the weight of the big schools like Syracuse and UConn. It wasn't until the big dogs left that Villanova won a "Big East" Championship again.

And if you look at the total body of work since the split, who has been the "big dog" between Nova, Cuse and UCONN? Homer you're too predictable, any minutiae related to the AAC has you doing summersaults, anything positive about the BE sends you into convulsions. Time to get over it.

Since the split each conference has 1 MBB National Championship. Sounds pretty even to me.
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
(02-20-2017 09:19 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:12 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 08:46 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Correction: It saved catholic basketball.

Look at a school like Nova.

They were buried under the weight of the big schools like Syracuse and UConn. It wasn't until the big dogs left that Villanova won a "Big East" Championship again.

And if you look at the total body of work since the split, who has been the "big dog" between Nova, Cuse and UCONN? Homer you're too predictable, any minutiae related to the AAC has you doing summersaults, anything positive about the BE sends you into convulsions. Time to get over it.

Since the split each conference has 1 MBB National Championship. Sounds pretty even to me.

Husky, I like UCONN and don't harbor any ill will toward you guys. But Nova has consistently been living in the top five these past few years, while UCONN has rarely been ranked. I fully understand UCONN may well bounce back and soon become the force once again we've all been accustomed to. But since the split, obviously Nova has had the upper hand.
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
(02-20-2017 09:25 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:19 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:12 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 08:46 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Correction: It saved catholic basketball.

Look at a school like Nova.

They were buried under the weight of the big schools like Syracuse and UConn. It wasn't until the big dogs left that Villanova won a "Big East" Championship again.

And if you look at the total body of work since the split, who has been the "big dog" between Nova, Cuse and UCONN? Homer you're too predictable, any minutiae related to the AAC has you doing summersaults, anything positive about the BE sends you into convulsions. Time to get over it.

Since the split each conference has 1 MBB National Championship. Sounds pretty even to me.

Husky, I like UCONN and don't harbor any ill will toward you guys. But Nova has consistently been living in the top five these past few years, while UCONN has rarely been ranked. I fully understand UCONN may well bounce back and soon become the force once again we've all been accustomed to. But since the split, obviously Nova has had the upper hand.

That is true, but no one remembers all those wins when you can't translate it to a Final Four/National Championship. Look at Gonzaga. I also don't mind the NBE. I think it is a quality conference, but it has continued to under-perform when it matters the most (the big dance) with the exception of Nova last year. Like I said, Nova has been great, but the rest of the conference hasn't really performed well when it matters the most.
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
(02-20-2017 09:41 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:25 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:19 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:12 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 08:46 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Correction: It saved catholic basketball.

Look at a school like Nova.

They were buried under the weight of the big schools like Syracuse and UConn. It wasn't until the big dogs left that Villanova won a "Big East" Championship again.

And if you look at the total body of work since the split, who has been the "big dog" between Nova, Cuse and UCONN? Homer you're too predictable, any minutiae related to the AAC has you doing summersaults, anything positive about the BE sends you into convulsions. Time to get over it.

Since the split each conference has 1 MBB National Championship. Sounds pretty even to me.

Husky, I like UCONN and don't harbor any ill will toward you guys. But Nova has consistently been living in the top five these past few years, while UCONN has rarely been ranked. I fully understand UCONN may well bounce back and soon become the force once again we've all been accustomed to. But since the split, obviously Nova has had the upper hand.

That is true, but no one remembers all those wins when you can't translate it to a Final Four/National Championship. Look at Gonzaga. I also don't mind the NBE. I think it is a quality conference, but it has continued to under-perform when it matters the most (the big dance) with the exception of Nova last year. Like I said, Nova has been great, but the rest of the conference hasn't really performed well when it matters the most.

That's the perception, but I honestly feel the regular season is a better measure of a teams quality. I'm sure you remember a few years ago, when you won the championship, you were trailing St Joe's with something like 30 seconds to go. Although you beat an impressive string of teams to win the title, that close call in the first game, almost ended it all right then and there. A 30 plus game schedule doesn't get skewed by one off game. But I get your point, all people seem to remember is how far they got in the tournament. But just because Duke as a 2 seed lost in the first round to Mercer in 2014 and Lehigh in 2012, doesn't mean they didn't have a good team those years.
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The thing is that the post-season is full of the best-of-the-best. They either earned their ticket through an at-large bid through having a great season or an auto-bid by beating the best in their conference when everything was on the line. IMO it's more impressive to win 6 games in the NCAA tourney (at crunch time against the best of the best in CBB) than racking up all those regular season wins against very good but not necessarily great competition.
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If you win six games in the tournament, that trumps everything. No argument there.
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
(02-20-2017 09:25 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:19 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:12 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 08:46 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Correction: It saved catholic basketball.

Look at a school like Nova.

They were buried under the weight of the big schools like Syracuse and UConn. It wasn't until the big dogs left that Villanova won a "Big East" Championship again.

And if you look at the total body of work since the split, who has been the "big dog" between Nova, Cuse and UCONN? Homer you're too predictable, any minutiae related to the AAC has you doing summersaults, anything positive about the BE sends you into convulsions. Time to get over it.

Since the split each conference has 1 MBB National Championship. Sounds pretty even to me.

Husky, I like UCONN and don't harbor any ill will toward you guys. But Nova has consistently been living in the top five these past few years, while UCONN has rarely been ranked. I fully understand UCONN may well bounce back and soon become the force once again we've all been accustomed to. But since the split, obviously Nova has had the upper hand.

The sample size is way too small to say anything. Nova and UConn have titles and Syracuse has a FF (despite the sanctions) - all in the last 3? years. There are ups and downs, sure, but all of the schools have done something big in basketball.

And it's not like those schools came out of nowhere, either. All 3 schools made FF's or won NC's in the '00's.

You will have a point when Prov, DePaul, St. John's, or Seton Hall contends for a title again, but color me unpersuaded until that point.
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(02-20-2017 10:15 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:25 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:19 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:12 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 08:46 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Correction: It saved catholic basketball.

Look at a school like Nova.

They were buried under the weight of the big schools like Syracuse and UConn. It wasn't until the big dogs left that Villanova won a "Big East" Championship again.

And if you look at the total body of work since the split, who has been the "big dog" between Nova, Cuse and UCONN? Homer you're too predictable, any minutiae related to the AAC has you doing summersaults, anything positive about the BE sends you into convulsions. Time to get over it.

Since the split each conference has 1 MBB National Championship. Sounds pretty even to me.

Husky, I like UCONN and don't harbor any ill will toward you guys. But Nova has consistently been living in the top five these past few years, while UCONN has rarely been ranked. I fully understand UCONN may well bounce back and soon become the force once again we've all been accustomed to. But since the split, obviously Nova has had the upper hand.

The sample size is way too small to say anything. Nova and UConn have titles and Syracuse has a FF (despite the sanctions) - all in the last 3? years. There are ups and downs, sure, but all of the schools have done something big in basketball.

And it's not like those schools came out of nowhere, either. All 3 schools made FF's or won NC's in the '00's.

You will have a point when Prov, DePaul, St. John's, or Seton Hall contends for a title again, but color me unpersuaded until that point.
I think UCONN might need a restraining order. Your ex won't stop. Lol07-coffee3
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(02-20-2017 10:29 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 10:15 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:25 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:19 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:12 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  And if you look at the total body of work since the split, who has been the "big dog" between Nova, Cuse and UCONN? Homer you're too predictable, any minutiae related to the AAC has you doing summersaults, anything positive about the BE sends you into convulsions. Time to get over it.

Since the split each conference has 1 MBB National Championship. Sounds pretty even to me.

Husky, I like UCONN and don't harbor any ill will toward you guys. But Nova has consistently been living in the top five these past few years, while UCONN has rarely been ranked. I fully understand UCONN may well bounce back and soon become the force once again we've all been accustomed to. But since the split, obviously Nova has had the upper hand.

The sample size is way too small to say anything. Nova and UConn have titles and Syracuse has a FF (despite the sanctions) - all in the last 3? years. There are ups and downs, sure, but all of the schools have done something big in basketball.

And it's not like those schools came out of nowhere, either. All 3 schools made FF's or won NC's in the '00's.

You will have a point when Prov, DePaul, St. John's, or Seton Hall contends for a title again, but color me unpersuaded until that point.
I think UCONN might need a restraining order. Your ex won't stop. Lol07-coffee3
But maybe their scared that without you guys Their sh!t ratings will catch up with them before the predictable downturn happens.lol05-stirthepot
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
(02-20-2017 10:15 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:25 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:19 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:12 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 08:46 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Correction: It saved catholic basketball.

Look at a school like Nova.

They were buried under the weight of the big schools like Syracuse and UConn. It wasn't until the big dogs left that Villanova won a "Big East" Championship again.

And if you look at the total body of work since the split, who has been the "big dog" between Nova, Cuse and UCONN? Homer you're too predictable, any minutiae related to the AAC has you doing summersaults, anything positive about the BE sends you into convulsions. Time to get over it.

Since the split each conference has 1 MBB National Championship. Sounds pretty even to me.

Husky, I like UCONN and don't harbor any ill will toward you guys. But Nova has consistently been living in the top five these past few years, while UCONN has rarely been ranked. I fully understand UCONN may well bounce back and soon become the force once again we've all been accustomed to. But since the split, obviously Nova has had the upper hand.

The sample size is way too small to say anything. Nova and UConn have titles and Syracuse has a FF (despite the sanctions) - all in the last 3? years. There are ups and downs, sure, but all of the schools have done something big in basketball.

And it's not like those schools came out of nowhere, either. All 3 schools made FF's or won NC's in the '00's.

You will have a point when Prov, DePaul, St. John's, or Seton Hall contends for a title again, but color me unpersuaded until that point.

You can pretty much point to any conference, and pick out the bottom few teams and say the same thing. The fact B.C. isn't likely to be in the final four in our lifetime isn't a reflection on the ACC is it?
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(02-20-2017 10:33 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 10:29 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 10:15 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:25 PM)hoops22 Wrote:  
(02-20-2017 09:19 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Since the split each conference has 1 MBB National Championship. Sounds pretty even to me.

Husky, I like UCONN and don't harbor any ill will toward you guys. But Nova has consistently been living in the top five these past few years, while UCONN has rarely been ranked. I fully understand UCONN may well bounce back and soon become the force once again we've all been accustomed to. But since the split, obviously Nova has had the upper hand.

The sample size is way too small to say anything. Nova and UConn have titles and Syracuse has a FF (despite the sanctions) - all in the last 3? years. There are ups and downs, sure, but all of the schools have done something big in basketball.

And it's not like those schools came out of nowhere, either. All 3 schools made FF's or won NC's in the '00's.

You will have a point when Prov, DePaul, St. John's, or Seton Hall contends for a title again, but color me unpersuaded until that point.
I think UCONN might need a restraining order. Your ex won't stop. Lol07-coffee3
But maybe their scared that without you guys Their sh!t ratings will catch up with them before the predictable downturn happens.lol05-stirthepot

BEH, it wouldn't be a thread mentioning the BE, without you piping in with your obsession. You make it way too easy to spot you, no matter how many different screen names you use, your psychotic ramblings are so easy to detect. LOL keep on with it, you're the best entertainment around here.
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