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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
(02-22-2017 01:25 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(02-22-2017 12:42 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 04:08 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  If it came down to C7 or AAC? Then yes, Notre DAme would be in the new Big East.

If they got into the C7, it was going to cost Notre Dame to get into it.

It wasn't the basketball schools who wanted Notre Dame in the Big East to begin with. The football schools and networks did. And Notre Dame shopped itself to the C7 as the thing was falling apart and ND and the ACC were working on their relationship specifics. Big East was like "we are not your parking lot."

Yeah, it's not like DePaul and some of the others brought much to the table, or more than Notre Dame's other sports, but they definitely weren't "one of the boys" with the C7. Oddly...personally, I thought they were until the split.

I think Notre Dame would have wandered the year or two as an independent than being in the AAC. Ultimately, Notre Dame paid its way into the ACC and out of the Big East/AAC, so, it all worked out?

That is pretty much what my initial post said.

ND didn't really want the C 7 and visa versa.

I think it is pretty clear that the Big 12 would have given Notre Dame the same deal as the ACC, so it's not as if they would not have been able to find a home.
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
(02-22-2017 12:58 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(02-22-2017 12:51 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-22-2017 12:35 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(02-22-2017 12:30 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-22-2017 12:23 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Big East National Championships since the split:

2013-2014: Field Hockey (UCONN)
2014-2015: Field Hockey (UCONN), MLAX (Denver)
2015-2016: MBB (Nova)

Good thing for those Associate Memberships.

And you're welcome.

Oh god, did you just say "Your Welcome" for field hockey championships?

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I know National Championships are a foreign concept to Rutgers fans. I personally like winning trophies for athletic accomplishments...not ones for winning conference realignment...

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But you didn't personally win s***. Keep bragging about women's sports achievements, i'm sure those will help down the road.

UCONN will keep winning trophies every year. There are no trophies for having the worst Athletic Department in college sports. Sorry Rutgers.

Also...UCONN field hockey has better attendance than Rutgers MBB. That's pretty scary.

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Still a better FB team than UConn. 07-coffee3
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
(02-22-2017 12:23 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 11:51 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  times change the old BE was a great conference the current one seems to be doing fine. Recruits are coming, schools are having on court (and field other than FB) success.

Big East National Championships since the split:

2013-2014: Field Hockey (UCONN)
2014-2015: Field Hockey (UCONN), MLAX (Denver)
2015-2016: MBB (Nova)

Good thing for those Associate Memberships.

And you're welcome.

Providence won national championships in:
- Women's Cross Country in the Fall of 2013 (and Emily Sisson won an individual natl title).
- Men's Ice Hockey in 2015 (we're the only Big East school with a hockey team and I've given permission to other BE fans to brag about this).
04-cheers
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
(02-22-2017 02:58 PM)billyjack Wrote:  
(02-22-2017 12:23 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 11:51 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  times change the old BE was a great conference the current one seems to be doing fine. Recruits are coming, schools are having on court (and field other than FB) success.

Big East National Championships since the split:

2013-2014: Field Hockey (UCONN)
2014-2015: Field Hockey (UCONN), MLAX (Denver)
2015-2016: MBB (Nova)

Good thing for those Associate Memberships.

And you're welcome.

Providence won national championships in:
- Women's Cross Country in the Fall of 2013 (and Emily Sisson won an individual natl title).
- Men's Ice Hockey in 2015 (we're the only Big East school with a hockey team and I've given permission to other BE fans to brag about this).
04-cheers

LOL. I got no problem with that. Apologies for missing the XC Championship. Providence has really excelled over the past 5 years. Much congrats. Crazy how your hockey team turned it on in the second half of this season. Strong New England sports are good for the entire region so keep it up. 04-cheers
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
Not to be nit picky but BC and Syracuse didnt want to leave the newly formed BE, and instead were in favor of getting PSU in the BE. They failed to get the needed support and the issue was never formally voted on. Pitt was added shortly afterwards, essentially ending PSU's dream of eastern FB IMO PSU knew their demands wouldnt be met by BC and Syracuse. They were gunning for B10 all along and even had a new eastern FB based league formed PSU would have left at the first opportunity offered by the B10. even after psu the fb schools had a few opportunities to branch out as an all sport league with FB,but did not. That turned out to be a good thing for the non fb schools.
who knows what Georgetown,nova, pc, stj seton hall and maybe UConn) would have done. Would the Midwestern schools have been on the table at the time or would this group have looked to the east to some newly configured A 10 type league
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
(02-22-2017 07:54 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Not to be nit picky but BC and Syracuse didnt want to leave the newly formed BE, and instead were in favor of getting PSU in the BE. They failed to get the needed support and the issue was never formally voted on. Pitt was added shortly afterwards, essentially ending PSU's dream of eastern FB IMO PSU knew their demands wouldnt be met by BC and Syracuse. They were gunning for B10 all along and even had a new eastern FB based league formed PSU would have left at the first opportunity offered by the B10. even after psu the fb schools had a few opportunities to branch out as an all sport league with FB,but did not. That turned out to be a good thing for the non fb schools.
who knows what Georgetown,nova, pc, stj seton hall and maybe UConn) would have done. Would the Midwestern schools have been on the table at the time or would this group have looked to the east to some newly configured A 10 type league

In my previous post, I was hypothesizing that the non-football members could have let SU and BC walk away by refusing to assist them in resolving their football issues by inviting Pittsburgh. I agree that Syracuse and BC did not want to leave the Big East back in 81. SU worked hard to get PSU into the Big East. Getting Pittsburgh in killed any chance for PSU's league to get off the ground. Had Pitt gone with PSU, it would have been hard for SU to resist though, as it could have cost them the backbone of their football schedule. Inviting Pittsburgh was an elegant solution because it ensured a continuation of independent football in the East and provided the Big East with an additional solid TV market. Here's a good summary of the events from SU's perspective. http://cuse.com/sports/2001/8/8/history.aspx

I also completely agree that PSU would have ended up in the Big Ten regardless. May have been a different road to the same destinations for everyone
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
there were so many moving parts and things behind the scenes that its hard to predict what might have been. I imagine the schools that ended up playing FB in the BE still would have played together even if PSU got its wish (and then eventually bolted to the B10)
Except, maybe Florida St and South Carolina might have been in mix? would that lineup been enough to fend off the ACC or al least limit what they ended up being? we will never know
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
(02-22-2017 07:54 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Not to be nit picky but BC and Syracuse didnt want to leave the newly formed BE, and instead were in favor of getting PSU in the BE. They failed to get the needed support and the issue was never formally voted on. Pitt was added shortly afterwards, essentially ending PSU's dream of eastern FB IMO PSU knew their demands wouldnt be met by BC and Syracuse. They were gunning for B10 all along and even had a new eastern FB based league formed PSU would have left at the first opportunity offered by the B10. even after psu the fb schools had a few opportunities to branch out as an all sport league with FB,but did not. That turned out to be a good thing for the non fb schools.
who knows what Georgetown,nova, pc, stj seton hall and maybe UConn) would have done. Would the Midwestern schools have been on the table at the time or would this group have looked to the east to some newly configured A 10 type league

Well the Eastern conference was a non-starter, though it could have evolved into the Big East over time. Who knows what PSU would have done when the Big 10 came calling -- or if the Big East would have developed as it did. Perhaps there would have been a football/hoops split between the Eastern 8 and the Big East.

Hard to tell now.
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RE: WSJ: How Ditching Football Saved Big East Basketball
(02-22-2017 01:28 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(02-22-2017 01:25 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(02-22-2017 12:42 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(02-21-2017 04:08 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  If it came down to C7 or AAC? Then yes, Notre DAme would be in the new Big East.

If they got into the C7, it was going to cost Notre Dame to get into it.

It wasn't the basketball schools who wanted Notre Dame in the Big East to begin with. The football schools and networks did. And Notre Dame shopped itself to the C7 as the thing was falling apart and ND and the ACC were working on their relationship specifics. Big East was like "we are not your parking lot."

Yeah, it's not like DePaul and some of the others brought much to the table, or more than Notre Dame's other sports, but they definitely weren't "one of the boys" with the C7. Oddly...personally, I thought they were until the split.

I think Notre Dame would have wandered the year or two as an independent than being in the AAC. Ultimately, Notre Dame paid its way into the ACC and out of the Big East/AAC, so, it all worked out?

That is pretty much what my initial post said.

ND didn't really want the C 7 and visa versa.

I think it is pretty clear that the Big 12 would have given Notre Dame the same deal as the ACC, so it's not as if they would not have been able to find a home.

There's no doubt. It's a fact. The Big 12 was publicly saying they'd give Notre Dame the same deal the ACC did.
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